To my Bonafide Homosexual brothers.

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    Jan 02, 2014 3:53 AM GMT
    Albeit marriage is not a need or want in my life. If you feel this is what is missing in your lives, then I hope the wind of change will come your way, and you will be blessed in 2014.

    Happy New year Guys.
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    Jan 02, 2014 4:15 AM GMT
    tru_blu_ozzie saidAlbeit marriage is not a need or want in my life. If you feel this is what is missing in your lives, then I hope the wind of change will come your way, and you will be blessed in 2914.

    Happy New year Guys.



    I don't any of us will be alive in 2914. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 02, 2014 4:21 AM GMT
    I hope that PM Abbott and the Coalition are more receptive to this in the near future. I know that Abbott is against it, and he has given a well considered response that is respectable, but I hope there is at least a conscience vote on the whole thing.

    Turnbull might be a little presumptuous in his predictions ;) But I hope he's right.

    That being said, I don't need it myself, but I would certainly like to have it so I can make the decision myself icon_smile.gif I would like to get married one day, but I accept that it's not a necessary part of my life in Australia, due to the legal indifference marriage makes.

    Thanks, tru_blu_ozzie icon_smile.gif

    PS: I think we're in 2014 ;)
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    Jan 02, 2014 4:29 AM GMT
    icon_lol.gif Fixed. Oh well doing well from finishing a nightshirt at 7:00AM, and now it's now 15:30 HRS and I've not slept yet.

    But my blessing is the same to my brothers, no matter the year.icon_razz.gif
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    Jan 02, 2014 5:00 AM GMT
    Scruffypup said
    tru_blu_ozzie saidAlbeit marriage is not a need or want in my life. If you feel this is what is missing in your lives, then I hope the wind of change will come your way, and you will be blessed in 2914.

    Happy New year Guys.



    I don't any of us will be alive in 2914. icon_rolleyes.gif


    But happy new year anyhow. May the sun of good fortune shine down on you, and bless your life.icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 02, 2014 6:26 AM GMT
    You know my brothers. Haters are always going to hate!

    How can we help them?

    Many of us, because we were born Bonafide Homosexuals, and out at a young age. Have endured, and experienced many things, many will never be able to understand, and for this they feel a need to bring us down.

    For having a strength, they lack?

    For being outspoken in a way that makes them feel shame, for their actions? Us Bonafide Homosexuals being so diverse, do not all have the same political agenda, and are also at many different stages of advancement in our lives. The one common bond we all have, is that we were not born bi, and will never ever swing both ways.

    You know us Bonafide Homosexuals come from many different walks in life. But it's our brothers in places like Russia, and Iran, who face death and or imprisonment for being born Bonafide Homosexuals, that my thoughts are with them this time of year. Be safe and blessed my brothers. I being out at such a young age in the 1960s, know all about the danger that can come with being born a Bonafide homosexual, and seen as one at such a young age; there was a price to pay. The things I myself endured and survived.
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    Jan 02, 2014 7:33 PM GMT
    You know Us Bonafide homosexuals, throughout time have been seen as the lowest of low. Because we where not seen as bi, thus seen with no hope of reforming and taking a wife and breeding, that was and is seen as the default of humanity by many.

    Even Sir Elton John was come out first as bi, or it would of killed all his record sale. But now he wants to be seen as gayicon_rolleyes.gif

    We bonsfide Homosexuals are many, and come in many different shapes and sizes, colours, and belief systems. Some fem and very gay, other butch and appearing to be straight.

    Some religious and go to church, and others non believers. We don't all vote the same, or have the same political agenda. Like for myself, marriage is not a political issue in my relationship, nothing has to change to make us happy; we already have that. But other brothers feel something is missing in their lives and feel the right to marry will fill this void. Or for therm to bring a child into their lives via artificial insemination.

    But no matter where you are in your lives my brothers, and no matter your needs and wants; be blessed and may the sun of good fortune shine down on you.
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    Jan 02, 2014 7:37 PM GMT
    I have been out since a young age and have never slept with a woman. But how the fuck does that make me better than those who came out later in life? You have an extreme hatred of anyone who didn't come out at five years old. I think it's something you need to look at.
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    Jan 02, 2014 8:33 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidI have been out since a young age and have never slept with a woman. But how the fuck does that make me better than those who came out later in life? You have an extreme hatred of anyone who didn't come out at five years old. I think it's something you need to look at.


    You have weird ideas of what is 'hateful'. Look in the mirror sometimes before constantly accusing other people who don't agree with you 'hateful people'.
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    Jan 02, 2014 8:34 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidI have been out since a young age and have never slept with a woman. But how the fuck does that make me better than those who came out later in life? You have an extreme hatred of anyone who didn't come out at five years old. I think it's something you need to look at.


    Once again you are the one promoting hate, to attack and abuse one! How many times has one seen you promote disdain for anyone with a gay lisp, or wearing makeup and you being more of a man for not having outwardly gay traits, thus something bettericon_exclaim.gif Something maybe you need to look at.

    One has been clear, time and time again. Being a Bonafide homosexual has nothing to do with being better, but different to our bisexual half bothers. Who have done what we were simply not born to do; have sex with the opposite sex. It's as simple as that, and there is no hate in acknowledging bisexuals and the difference between us Bonafide homosexuals, and our half brothers the bisexuals; I do not say it as if it is a bad thing, only different.

    There are those bisexuals who see it as a bad word, because when they were straight, they were straight, and now they live as gay they are gay, and never both. Thus because of their issues of self loathing, they want to deprive us Bonafide homosexuals an existence, because they can never be one of us though their own actions that make them a bisexual.

    I also being out other than my first 5 years, and paying a price have a right to stand tall as a Bonafide homosexual, yet people still want to cut me down, even homosexuals. Oh how life would of been better if I had only stepped down, said nothing and took a girlfriend/wife, and recived my inheritance. But I simply was not born that way to of ever had that choice. Nothing to do with when someone came out! But...... their actions in life; just as I payed a price for mine as a wee child.

    Maybe you still have issues to deal with associated to your very own sexuality, and they are not mine. Maybe you wish you were born with the choices of a bisexual, and seen as a real manicon_rolleyes.gif But be blessed and may you find peace in your heart.
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    Jan 02, 2014 8:40 PM GMT
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    Scruffypup saidI have been out since a young age and have never slept with a woman. But how the fuck does that make me better than those who came out later in life? You have an extreme hatred of anyone who didn't come out at five years old. I think it's something you need to look at.


    You have weird ideas of what is 'hateful'. Look in the mirror sometimes before constantly accusing other people who don't agree with you 'hateful people'.


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    Jan 02, 2014 9:19 PM GMT
    You know I think it’s funny that you’re reproducing the same stereotypes that the more intolerant heterosexual community has been imposing on the gay community.

    I am so fucking sick of the gay community trying to belittle or humor gay men who aren’t effeminate. Don’t get me wrong, I dislike the person who goes “no fems” as much as anyone else, but belittling someone who isn’t like you is just as bad in my book. The colors of the Pride-flag represents diversity, not petty hierarchies.

    I’m gay. 100%. I have sex with guys now, I fall in love with guys now, and hey guess what; if I define myself as 100% gay, then I am 100% gay. I’m not bisexual NOW because I once used to think about girls or do things with girls in certain ways. Another person who’s done the same thing as me might think differently about themselves, but that’s the point, we all get to define ourselves.

    The very idea that you think that you’re not creating a hierarchy with your “bonafide homosexual”-term is ridiculous. You keep yammering on about how your people had to fight all life, how much strength they have, how cowardice “bisexuals” are and how “bisexuals” are trying to put you down. And then you have the delusional self-confidence to say “it’s not about being better”?

    You keep talking as if people who didn’t come out when they were three-years-old had it easy throughout life. Because “bonafides” were never accepted in the male group and they were cast away from the very start.

    You make it sound like having friends who are somewhat masculine is all just an act. The fact is that I’m hanging out with these people because we have a common interest too. Today I usually try to drop the gay-bomb pretty early when I’m meeting a new set of gaming-friends, usually because I know there can be a lot of homophobia involved and I just don’t want to get cornered in a situation where it’s difficult for me to come out. But apart from that, I’m there to have fun with these people; I most likely won’t be banging a chick with these guys. I absolutely think that one’s sexuality is very essential to one’s identity, but it’s really not all there is to it either. I’m not hanging out with these people just to seem more masculine, which it kind of feels like you’re implying.

    I really don’t want to compare histories because honestly, everyone goes through something and what different types of pain create is very different. But when I grew up, I didn’t really have a problem playing with other kids. The idea of sexuality was kind of foreign to me, and any type of interaction with the other gender was really just replicated from what I saw from TV and society. I, of course, have the color of my skin which was an exterior element that signified difference from others, so I’m not clueless to what it feels like to judged or excluded based on first impressions.

    Having to pretend is not painless. It tears down your identity every day. Especially if you don’t know if there’s anyone in the world who can help you, or where to turn to, should you come out. When I was younger, every day could be a joy of hanging out with one’s friends, or through homophobic remarks be reminded that you didn’t belong. And the only other world that I knew existed was the extravagant, excluding, flamboyant gay world that I didn’t belong to either.

    Today I have all kinds of friends. Straight, gay, feminine, masculine, whatever. They really do feel like the kind of friends I wish I had access to when I didn’t know if anyone would accept me because I wasn’t like everyone else. They are the kind of people who really do want the diversity in their lives, and not exclude people who aren’t like themselves.

    I’m so fucking sick of this arduous fight of who’s gay and who isn’t. If someone says “I’m gay”, it should be followed up by an “OK”, not an investigation whether or not it’s true. Especially not from the gay-community. Else we’re just boxing ourselves and limiting in what different way a gay man can be, and I think the intolerant people who do that is enough.
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    Jan 02, 2014 9:29 PM GMT
    Buddha seems you seem too have some issues to deal with, and they are not mineicon_exclaim.gif As one did not belittle someone for not being seen as being gay, as I am one of them myself, I just stood up to a bully. in fact, most people assume I am at least bi, and not a Bonafide Homosexual. One has defended guys who appear to be straight as not straight acting, many times in the past; you must of missed that.

    My point was that scrappy, has been clear he is not only not attracted to anyone with a gay lisp, or who would do something like wearing make up, it's the way he belittles them as being something less, after his attack.

    My thread was not about hate or in tolerances, but differences. If you are not able to see that, it's not my fault and your attack is unjust, and your issues are yours to deal with, and not mine.

    Gay has become such a generic word now days that anyone can and does stand under it's banner; homosexual and bisexual. I have no issue with that, and I am happy to stand under the banner of Bonafide homosexual, and promote our existence, and differences. I also get shoved under the banner of gay.

    Have a nice day.

    Maybe you should consider a name change mateicon_wink.gif

    Oh the days of old when one shared a thought that was to bring out others intolerance, and issues and the attacks began in an attempt to belittle and drag one down; the power of one.
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    Jan 03, 2014 2:34 AM GMT
    One of the things surviving the Gay Plague Era, that may well of had an everlasting effect on one, that I have survived to talk about was; Other bothers gay and bi, going out of their way to infect another because of what was done to them, no matter their life style. Men not giving a rats arse for anthers life, so long as their dick did not miss out, or who they gave a slow humiliating death to. A gun to the head would of been more human and kinder, but they would of went to jail for that, but not for giving another a slow painful death.

    Thus has this breed a couture where gay and bi men don't give a rats arse for rules, so long as they can do whatever they want.

    Yet women straight and lesbians have clubs where men are not permitted. Homosexuals, and straight men have clubs where women are not permitted, and religion have rules and so does the military, and governments

    Thus I feel no shame in standing under the banner of a Bonafide Homosexual, and I do not stand alone. Main rule, we are not straight, or bisexual, never had sexual intercourse with a female. But we take nothing away from our half brothers the bisexuals, as they already have many banners to stand under, this is just not one of them, and not hate in that.

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    Jan 03, 2014 3:24 AM GMT
    tru_blu_ozzie saidOne of the things surviving the Gay Plague Era, that may well of had an everlasting effect on one, that have have survived to talk about was; Other bothers gay and bi, going out of their way to infect another because of what was done to them, no matter their life style. Men not giving a rats arse for anthers life, so long as their dick did not miss out, or who they gave a slow humiliating death to. A gun to the head would of been more human and kinder, but they would for went to jail for that, but not for giving another a slow painful death.

    Thus has this breed a couture where gay and bi men don't give a rats arse for rules, so long as they can do whatever they want.

    yet women straight and lesbians have clubs where men are not permitted. Homosexuals, and straight men have clubs where women are not permitted, and religion have rules and so does the military.

    Thus I feel no shame in standing under the banner of a Bonafide Homosexual, and I do not stand alone. Main rule, we are not straight, or bisexual, never done the nasty with a female.



    Interesting choice of adjectives. Sex is not "nasty." You would not be here if your dad had not done "the nasty" with your mom.
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    Jan 03, 2014 4:06 AM GMT
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    tru_blu_ozzie saidOne of the things surviving the Gay Plague Era, that may well of had an everlasting effect on one, that have have survived to talk about was; Other bothers gay and bi, going out of their way to infect another because of what was done to them, no matter their life style. Men not giving a rats arse for anthers life, so long as their dick did not miss out, or who they gave a slow humiliating death to. A gun to the head would of been more human and kinder, but they would for went to jail for that, but not for giving another a slow painful death.

    Thus has this breed a couture where gay and bi men don't give a rats arse for rules, so long as they can do whatever they want.

    yet women straight and lesbians have clubs where men are not permitted. Homosexuals, and straight men have clubs where women are not permitted, and religion have rules and so does the military.

    Thus I feel no shame in standing under the banner of a Bonafide Homosexual, and I do not stand alone. Main rule, we are not straight, or bisexual, never done the nasty with a female.

    Interesting choice of adjectives. Sex is not "nasty." You would not be here if your dad had not done "the nasty" with your mom.

    Please don't limit it to his adjectives. Pattison hasn't been able to form entire coherent sentences since he's been a member here.

    And likewise for his various account names, when he'd return denying who he was after being banned, but his tell-tale comical fractured grammar & misspelling would give him away. Now at least he's been "himself" for the longest continuous stretch I can remember.

    So please don't get too semantic with him in his choice of words. Very little that he ever writes makes much sense, from any standpoint.
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    Jan 03, 2014 4:40 AM GMT
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    Scruffypup said
    tru_blu_ozzie saidOne of the things surviving the Gay Plague Era, that may well of had an everlasting effect on one, that have have survived to talk about was; Other bothers gay and bi, going out of their way to infect another because of what was done to them, no matter their life style. Men not giving a rats arse for anthers life, so long as their dick did not miss out, or who they gave a slow humiliating death to. A gun to the head would of been more human and kinder, but they would for went to jail for that, but not for giving another a slow painful death.

    Thus has this breed a couture where gay and bi men don't give a rats arse for rules, so long as they can do whatever they want.

    yet women straight and lesbians have clubs where men are not permitted. Homosexuals, and straight men have clubs where women are not permitted, and religion have rules and so does the military.

    Thus I feel no shame in standing under the banner of a Bonafide Homosexual, and I do not stand alone. Main rule, we are not straight, or bisexual, never done the nasty with a female.

    Interesting choice of adjectives. Sex is not "nasty." You would not be here if your dad had not done "the nasty" with your mom.

    Please don't limit it to his adjectives. Pattison hasn't been able to form entire coherent sentences since he's been a member here.

    And likewise for his various account names, when he'd return denying who he was after being banned, but his tell-tale comical fractured grammar & misspelling would give him away. Now at least he's been "himself" for the longest continuous stretch I can remember.

    So please don't get too semantic with him in his choice of words. Very little that he ever writes makes much sense, from any standpoint.



    Looks who's talking (attacking). icon_rolleyes.gif


    yes and being a bully, with his own brand of Superior pompous hate. When he promote he is ignoring one.icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 03, 2014 5:03 AM GMT
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    Looks who's talking (attacking). icon_rolleyes.gif

    You forgot to address me as Kolonel Krackpot in that one. Not too late for you to go back and add the edit. Or a picture of me as Hyacinth, or a photo of the concrete bunker where you claim I live. Yes, you are indeed an expert on what constitutes personal attacks.

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    Jan 03, 2014 5:13 AM GMT
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    tru_blu_ozzie saidOne of the things surviving the Gay Plague Era, that may well of had an everlasting effect on one, that I have survived to talk about was; Other bothers gay and bi, going out of their way to infect another because of what was done to them, no matter their life style. Men not giving a rats arse for anthers life, so long as their dick did not miss out, or who they gave a slow humiliating death to. A gun to the head would of been more human and kinder, but they would of went to jail for that, but not for giving another a slow painful death.

    Thus this has breed a culture where gay and bi men don't give a rats arse for rules, so long as they can do whatever they want; but we all have rules to live by.

    Yet women straight and lesbians have clubs where men are not permitted. Homosexuals, and straight men have clubs where women are not permitted, and religion have rules and so does the military, and governments

    Thus I feel no shame in standing under the banner of a Bonafide Homosexual, and I do not stand alone. Main rule, we are not straight, or bisexual, never had sexual intercourse with a female.

    Fixed.



    But we Bonafide homosexuals have right to stand tall, in our pride and same love; because thats the way we were born, and we have been seen the lowest of the low for not having sex with women, from the beginning of time, and punished and condemned for being so. As you see the hate still goes on.

    I feel sorry for our brothers in country's like Russia, and Iran, who still are not able to stand tall in their pride as a Bonafide Homosexual; bad enough being seen as a gay, let alone a Bonafide Homosexual.

    Sorry for our brothers in counties' like America, where the only thing holding them back is themselves.

    But be bless to all my brothers, that someday we will all be able to stand tall in our pride, and not be seen as the lowest of low, thus not be forced to hid away and stand under the banner of another, to help rise them up.


    To the haters sorry for not swimming with the flow, as even a dead fish can do that, and for not being perfect in typing and gamma. But when you become perfect, i'll try.
    Haters are always going to hate, no matter what.
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    Jan 03, 2014 5:22 AM GMT
    On a bright note my brothers. We have seen a wind of change, were though the help of medical intervention, many of you have been able to become fathers and start family's of your own. More change is in the wind dear brothers, and soon many of you will also be able to marry for the first time, as many have started to.

    Be blessed and have a wonderful 2014.
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    Jan 03, 2014 9:58 PM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidI hope that PM Abbott and the Coalition are more receptive to this in the near future. I know that Abbott is against it, and he has given a well considered response that is respectable, but I hope there is at least a conscience vote on the whole thing.

    Turnbull might be a little presumptuous in his predictions ;) But I hope he's right.

    That being said, I don't need it myself, but I would certainly like to have it so I can make the decision myself icon_smile.gif I would like to get married one day, but I accept that it's not a necessary part of my life in Australia, due to the legal indifference marriage makes.

    Thanks, tru_blu_ozzie icon_smile.gif

    PS: I think we're in 2014 ;)


    As I have said it's not something I need in my life, and I've been with my man for well over 20 years, and we are happy without it, and it's not stopping us from living our lives together, and in safety. But I know we have brothers who do not feel the same, and would like to get married, and I hope the wind of change comes their way; as it does not effect my life one way or the other.

    But I understand you wanting it to be a choice, if you decide to marry, and I hope you have that choice by the time you are 30.

    But Our PM Tony Abbott was clear before the elections, that he would not endorse same sex marriage during his term as PM. He put that forth before the elections, and still got voted in. He has also reinforced since becoming PM, that as PM he will not support same sex marriage, and Australia will have to wait for another PM, to make it come to pass.

    But the last left wing Government and the Greens have left us with a lot of bills, that need to be paid, and this is more of a issue to many in Australia, than same sex marriage is.
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    Jan 05, 2014 1:07 AM GMT
    Enjoy your first weekend of the year.