Grammar: "Who" Among Them or "Whom" Among Them

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    Jan 05, 2014 12:27 AM GMT
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    Jan 05, 2014 12:31 AM GMT
    Who currs? or Whom currs?
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    Jan 05, 2014 12:32 AM GMT
    YourName2000 saidWhom


    That's what MS-Word says, but they often get it wrong. The rule is Who if it is the subject of the action, and Whom if it is the object of the action. But I'm not sure what the action is, "to choose" or "would be."
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    Jan 05, 2014 12:35 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidA sample sentence. This one just seems tricky to me.

    Shoppers from both teams scrambled for the carts and to choose whom among them would be the first customers.

    OR

    Shoppers from both teams scrambled for the carts and to choose who among them would be the first customers.


    This sentence sounds really funny. Take out the "and" or put a comma prior. Also you are using the word "them" so it would ideally be whom. Overall I would re-word this hot mess.
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    Jan 05, 2014 12:36 AM GMT
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    Jan 05, 2014 12:36 AM GMT
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    wrestlervic saidA sample sentence. This one just seems tricky to me.

    Shoppers from both teams scrambled for the carts and to choose whom among them would be the first customers.

    OR

    Shoppers from both teams scrambled for the carts and to choose who among them would be the first customers.


    This sentence sounds really funny. Take out the "and" or put a comma prior. Also you are using the word "them" so it would ideally be whom. Overall I would re-word this hot mess.


    Always someone. No.
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    Jan 05, 2014 12:37 AM GMT
    Who
    "Whom", as an indirect, takes a preposition.
    We write "for whom", "by whom", "with whom", etc.
    If you ever wonder, try adding a preposition to your question.
    So: "choose who would be the customers"
    but "choose for WHOM you are buying these things."
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    Jan 05, 2014 12:39 AM GMT
    P.S. It should also be "began to scramble."
    Yes, the sentence is a hot mess.
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    Jan 05, 2014 12:43 AM GMT
    The first customers would be them (Whom).

    Yes?
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    Jan 05, 2014 12:50 AM GMT
    As Aristo wrote, there's no preposition so it can't be "whom."
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    Jan 05, 2014 12:52 AM GMT
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    Jan 05, 2014 12:52 AM GMT
    JohnSpotter saidAs Aristo wrote, there's no preposition so it can't be "whom."


    There doesn't always have to be a preposition to have Whom. Interestingly, though, among is a preposition.
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    Jan 05, 2014 12:53 AM GMT
    I'd go with "who".

    If you simplify the sentence it becomes obvious:

    Shoppers scrambled for carts to choose who would be the first customers.
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    Jan 05, 2014 12:56 AM GMT
    MikeW saidI'd go with "who".

    If you simplify the sentence it becomes obvious:

    Shoppers scrambled for carts to choose who would be the first customers.

    Humm.. Victor, that sentence really is a bit of a hot mess. Kinda overworked imagery...icon_cool.gif
    Shoppers scrambled for carts to see who would be the first customers.
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    Jan 05, 2014 12:58 AM GMT
    It's a very odd sentence.

    You would reply "Brent was the first to grab a cart." In that sense I would say "who", but you're using "them" which makes me want to use "whom" -- "Brent's "team" was the first to grab a cart."

    As I said I would re-word this hot mess, but you're stubborn.
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    Jan 05, 2014 12:59 AM GMT
    TheGuyNextDoor said
    MikeW saidI'd go with "who".

    If you simplify the sentence it becomes obvious:

    Shoppers scrambled for carts to choose who would be the first customers.

    Humm.. Victor, that sentence really is a bit of a hot mess. Kinda overworked imagery...icon_cool.gif


    That's not my sentence, he left out "and to choose"

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    Jan 05, 2014 1:00 AM GMT
    wrestlervic said
    JohnSpotter saidAs Aristo wrote, there's no preposition so it can't be "whom."


    There doesn't always have to be a preposition to have Whom. Interestingly, though, among is a preposition.

    Right - but "among" goes with "them."
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    Jan 05, 2014 1:01 AM GMT
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    Jan 05, 2014 1:06 AM GMT
    Aristoshark saidWho
    "Whom", as an indirect, takes a preposition.
    We write "for whom", "by whom", "with whom", etc.
    If you ever wonder, try adding a preposition to your question.
    So: "choose who would be the customers"
    but "choose for WHOM you are buying these things."

    This.

    Whom is used instead of who as the object of a verb or preposition:
    1) I met a friend with whom I went to school.
    2) I met a friend who went to school with me.
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    Jan 05, 2014 1:08 AM GMT
    wrestlervic said
    TheGuyNextDoor said
    MikeW saidI'd go with "who".

    If you simplify the sentence it becomes obvious:

    Shoppers scrambled for carts to choose who would be the first customers.

    Humm.. Victor, that sentence really is a bit of a hot mess. Kinda overworked imagery...icon_cool.gif


    That's not my sentence, he left out "and to choose"


    How is choosing a separate activity from scrambling for the carts?
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    Jan 05, 2014 1:12 AM GMT
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    Jan 05, 2014 1:13 AM GMT
    "Whom" is the consensus with votes from YourName2000 and MS-Word. Moving on...icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 05, 2014 1:14 AM GMT
    MikeW said
    wrestlervic said
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    MikeW saidI'd go with "who".

    If you simplify the sentence it becomes obvious:

    Shoppers scrambled for carts to choose who would be the first customers.

    Humm.. Victor, that sentence really is a bit of a hot mess. Kinda overworked imagery...icon_cool.gif


    That's not my sentence, he left out "and to choose"


    How is choosing a separate activity from scrambling for the carts?

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    It just a confusing sentence and needs a re-write.
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    Jan 05, 2014 1:15 AM GMT
    wrestlervic said"Whom" is the consensus with votes from YourName2000 and MS-Word. Moving on...icon_lol.gif


    Just ignore the rest of us that helped you with your homework. I suddenly feel like I'm in HS again! icon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gif