Fuel Cell Vehicles

  • metta

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    Jan 08, 2014 7:47 AM GMT
    "FCVs are powered by fuel cells, which generate electricity from hydrogen, which is not only environmentally friendly and highly energy-efficient, but can also be produced using a variety of readily available raw materials. "

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    http://www.toyota-global.com/innovation/environmental_technology/fuelcell_vehicle/

    Toyota Announces New Zero-Emission Fuel Cell Vehicle For 2015!
  • R_Prototype

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    Jan 08, 2014 11:12 AM GMT
    Thats pretty awesome! I had fuel cell tecnology as my elective last sem! They truely are the fuel of 21st centuary! Hopethey they will replace the traditional combustion cycle engines and revolutionarize the Automobile Industry!! icon_smile.gif And very nice of you to share that!
  • kiwi_nomad

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    Jan 08, 2014 5:54 PM GMT
    what the hell happened to the front of that car? Oh Toyota you try too hard these days.. you know it's bad when Hyundai and Kia overtake you in the styling department.
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    Jan 08, 2014 6:08 PM GMT
    Just around the corner for almost a century now.

    Re: styling. Looks like the hood is coming open and is about to fold back over the windshield. icon_surprised.gif
  • metta

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    Jan 08, 2014 6:10 PM GMT
    I'm guessing that the engine takes more room and they need to figure out a way to make it work. Hopefully they can shrink it down in future models.
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    Jan 08, 2014 6:18 PM GMT
    All them fuel cell vehicles was sposed to have individual electric motors at each wheel... But I'm guessing that this is just a prius with fuel cells in place of the engine. Probably the fuel tanks are the bulky part.
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    Jan 08, 2014 7:54 PM GMT
    HOORAH!
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    Jan 08, 2014 10:17 PM GMT
    metta8 saidI'm guessing that the engine takes more room and they need to figure out a way to make it work. Hopefully they can shrink it down in future models.



    Ha , ha. There is no engine. Fuel cells produce electricity which would power an electric motor but fuel cells can't put out power fast enuf to power a car so batteries are then necessary. So counting the storage needed for oxygen and hydrogen that amounts to three more large components more than a Tesla so they aren't very practical.
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    Jan 08, 2014 11:06 PM GMT
    time to go back to the future

  • HottJoe

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    Jan 09, 2014 3:29 AM GMT
    I don't see anything wrong with the way it looks. If the technology to make zero emissions cars is here, then cars that pollute need to be phased out for good. We could be on our way to an urban life where people wouldn't have to escape to the country for fresh air. It would be a great blessing to every major city.
  • R_Prototype

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    Jan 09, 2014 4:29 AM GMT
    The main problem would be hydron stoage plus low output per cell! But still its remarkable!
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    Jan 09, 2014 4:35 AM GMT
    kiwi_nomad saidwhat the hell happened to the front of that car? Oh Toyota you try too hard these days.. you know it's bad when Hyundai and Kia overtake you in the styling department.
    Looks like that design came out of the same department responsible for the current Lexus car designs. icon_neutral.gif

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    Jan 09, 2014 4:58 AM GMT
    xrichx said
    kiwi_nomad saidwhat the hell happened to the front of that car? Oh Toyota you try too hard these days.. you know it's bad when Hyundai and Kia overtake you in the styling department.
    Looks like that design came out of the same department responsible for the current Lexus car designs. icon_neutral.gif

    2013-Lexus-LS460-f-sport-grille_rdax_646


    If I'm not mistaken, you're a ricer fan so you might like this.

    I think the bulbous nose is hideous, but I understand why they did it. Anyway, a bigger V8 in this so they're heading the right direction.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/08/lexus-rc-f-coupe-pics-details-detroit/
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    Jan 09, 2014 5:04 AM GMT
    kiwi_nomad saidwhat the hell happened to the front of that car? Oh Toyota you try too hard these days.. you know it's bad when Hyundai and Kia overtake you in the styling department.


    You can credit that to Peter Schreyer of Audi / VW fame. The Japanese just can't culturally do it. When the Japanese do a good design, which is very very rare, they didn't do it. It was done here.
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    Jan 09, 2014 5:10 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    If I'm not mistaken, you're a ricer fan so you might like this.

    I think the bulbous nose is hideous, but I understand why they did it. Anyway, a bigger V8 in this so they're heading the right direction.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/08/lexus-rc-f-coupe-pics-details-detroit/
    Puke. I really hate the "spindle" grille. That coupe would be so much hotter if they just borrowed the LFA front end.

    Too bad Honda/Acura gave up. Nothing interesting from them in decades.
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    xrichx said
    freedomisntfree said
    If I'm not mistaken, you're a ricer fan so you might like this.

    I think the bulbous nose is hideous, but I understand why they did it. Anyway, a bigger V8 in this so they're heading the right direction.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/08/lexus-rc-f-coupe-pics-details-detroit/
    Puke. I really hate the "spindle" grille. That coupe would be so much hotter if they just borrowed the LFA front end.

    Too bad Honda/Acura gave up. Nothing interesting from them in decades.


    This is from last year's NAIAS, but you don't think this is?

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    Jan 09, 2014 8:30 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    xrichx said
    freedomisntfree said
    If I'm not mistaken, you're a ricer fan so you might like this.

    I think the bulbous nose is hideous, but I understand why they did it. Anyway, a bigger V8 in this so they're heading the right direction.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/08/lexus-rc-f-coupe-pics-details-detroit/
    Puke. I really hate the "spindle" grille. That coupe would be so much hotter if they just borrowed the LFA front end.

    Too bad Honda/Acura gave up. Nothing interesting from them in decades.


    This is from last year's NAIAS, but you don't think this is?

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    Sure, I like the upcoming NSX. But their other cars are so blah. Would be great if they developed a V8 RWD or AWD platform for the rest of their cars. But probably not going to happen ever.
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    Jan 09, 2014 9:34 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidAll them fuel cell vehicles was sposed to have individual electric motors at each wheel... But I'm guessing that this is just a prius with fuel cells in place of the engine. Probably the fuel tanks are the bulky part.


    Our city ran fuel cell bus trials as part of a global trial.

    They performed superbly for two years carrying 80 passengers - with just a plume of steam as emission.

    They do not need individual electric motors on each wheel - not sure where you got that from.

    Can provide trial evaluation reference if you want...cheers
  • hebrewman

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    Jan 09, 2014 9:53 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidtime to go back to the future



    i LOVE the turbine car!! my dad and i saw/heard one at a car show when i was a lad. also, speaking of small gas turbines, in 1972/72, ford experimented with their own version for vehicles and power boats. at the annapolis boat show in 1973, ford demonstrated their turbine for the pacemaker sport fisher yacht. the one thing i remember is hearing the engine demonstrated in the static display and touring the boat. the side intakes were massive to allow for enough air to enter the engine room. they ran into water vapor ingestion problems from the spray generated by the hull while up on plane. it was cool to see two semi round engines attached to standard borg-warner transmissions though.
    if i remember correctly, greyhound bus lines had a few turbine powered coaches running around the highways around that time frame. i remember they called them 'turbine super 7 scenic cruisers' wow. talk about a blast from the past.
  • hebrewman

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    Jan 09, 2014 9:55 AM GMT
    metta8 said"FCVs are powered by fuel cells, which generate electricity from hydrogen, which is not only environmentally friendly and highly energy-efficient, but can also be produced using a variety of readily available raw materials. "

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    http://www.toyota-global.com/innovation/environmental_technology/fuelcell_vehicle/

    Toyota Announces New Zero-Emission Fuel Cell Vehicle For 2015!


    i like the front end design. sort of reminds me of a cylon from the original battlestar galactica
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    HEBREWMAN said
    freedomisntfree saidtime to go back to the future



    i LOVE the turbine car!! my dad and i saw/heard one at a car show when i was a lad. also, speaking of small gas turbines, in 1972/72, ford experimented with their own version for vehicles and power boats. at the annapolis boat show in 1973, ford demonstrated their turbine for the pacemaker sport fisher yacht. the one thing i remember is hearing the engine demonstrated in the static display and touring the boat. the side intakes were massive to allow for enough air to enter the engine room. they ran into water vapor ingestion problems from the spray generated by the hull while up on plane. it was cool to see two semi round engines attached to standard borg-warner transmissions though.
    if i remember correctly, greyhound bus lines had a few turbine powered coaches running around the highways around that time frame. i remember they called them 'turbine super 7 scenic cruisers' wow. talk about a blast from the past.


    History goes back to military work, especially the B29, during WW II. The first useable turbine prototype saw the road in 1956.

    I'll see if a I can find a good history on the project
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    Jan 09, 2014 12:19 PM GMT
    http://www.allpar.com/mopar/turbine.html
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    Jan 09, 2014 1:02 PM GMT
    pellaz saidhelp me out but i am thinking a fuel cell is a complicated machine. Might be better to reduce the weight of the current passenger vehicle.


    That's underway. Think ATS, CTS and new Mustang so far.
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    Jan 09, 2014 1:57 PM GMT
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    The Honda "FCX Clarity" is already in production and available in limited areas. 240 mile range on one filling with compressed hyrdogen.

    http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/
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    Jan 09, 2014 5:01 PM GMT
    Cool and all, but I'm a little concerned that in a near Paul Walker intensity crash what a little Hindenburg the hydrogen could make. Crashes like that don't happen too often, but they do happen.