Stupidest analogy ever

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    Jan 10, 2014 12:49 AM GMT
    So probably the stupdiest analogy I've ever heard (and I keep hearing) is:

    "I'm not racist for not being attracted to people of color, just as I'm not sexist for not being attracted to women."

    Let's be clear about this. Gay men are not attracted to women because gay men are BORN THAT WAY. Gay men are NOT, however, born with a "preference" for whites. THAT is a social construction based on a whitewashed media and society valorizing whiteness as the ideal form of beauty.

    My point here is not to say "you have to force yourself to be attracted to people of color." No. Neither is my point to say all people who are only attracted to whites 'racist.' All I'm saying is that people should think more about this notion of "it's just preference" attraction based on race and how it's not as innocuous and coincidental as many seem to believe. Racial preference is constructed. It reflects the values of a society with clear racial hierarchies.

    If you don't give a fuck, then at least stop using the analogy. It makes you sound stupid.
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    Jan 10, 2014 12:51 AM GMT
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    Jan 10, 2014 2:18 AM GMT
    like I said on your original thread, you are dealing with white people who can very often times be racist. These people have little to no understanding of sympathy for people of color. Just the other night ViciousRumor was called a n***** by Avsigkommen in the conversation hearts thread and the discussion had nothing to do with race. It has already been made clear by the people in forum. Apparently they believe that people of color are on even playing fields with white people and therefore have no reason to complain or feel upset. But like I said just because they're gay that dosent mean that they're any smarter, they're still fucking stupid as hell. Only a clearly racist person or a stupid person goes around making the analogy of sexual orientation to race preference dating.

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    Jan 10, 2014 3:08 AM GMT
    kiwiLifter said
    Akkarins saidSo probably the stupdiest analogy I've ever heard (and I keep hearing) is:

    "I'm not racist for not being attracted to people of color, just as I'm not sexist for not being attracted to women."

    least stop using the analogy. It makes you sound stupid.


    I've never used that argument.

    I point out that I don't like strawberry ice cream, chocolate is my favourite, though if there is no other option them maybe I will take the strawberry but I definitely will never eat peanut butter ice cream!

    Does anyone demand I justify my taste preferences? No, unless they are crazy.

    Same with my taste in men: don't like flat noses, narrow eyes, round faces, yellow skin or black skin. I like caucasian features!

    I don't have to justify that.



    First, just because you've never used the argument doesn't mean others have not. It is a common refrain here on RJ and elsewhere.

    Second, your analogy is also just as logically flawed. Im not sure if you're quite grasping this notion of preference as being influenced by society. Were you born with a preference for chocolate ice cream? Of course not. Imagine if you were born into a family/society that loved mint ice cream and always scorned chocolate as being vile and nasty. Chances are, you would now prefer eating mint ice cream.

    The point is obviously not to condemn you for liking chocolate or mint, or in your case, your preference for Caucasian men. But I'm saying that your "preference," whatever they may be, is something that reflects societal values. Why do you not like flat noses, narrow eyes, round faces, yellow or black skin? Because you've grown up in a white society that held whiteness as beautiful and ideal.
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    Jan 10, 2014 6:28 AM GMT
    kiwiLifter said
    Akkarins saidSo probably the stupdiest analogy I've ever heard (and I keep hearing) is:

    "I'm not racist for not being attracted to people of color, just as I'm not sexist for not being attracted to women."

    least stop using the analogy. It makes you sound stupid.


    I've never used that argument.

    I point out that I don't like strawberry ice cream, chocolate is my favourite, though if there is no other option them maybe I will take the strawberry but I definitely will never eat peanut butter ice cream!

    Does anyone demand I justify my taste preferences? No, unless they are crazy.

    Same with my taste in men: don't like flat noses, narrow eyes, round faces, yellow skin or black skin. I like caucasian features!

    I don't have to justify that.




    I too do not demand justification. But if they're my friends, I'll judge them for it. Example...one of my friends loves vanilla ice cream and refuses to eat any other flavors. I told him he was boring....and then I gave him a hug. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 10, 2014 6:33 AM GMT
    Kiwi is white; it's natural for him or anyone to be more likely to prefer his own kind

    What's unnatural and media-influenced is what seems to be the majority of minorities who also prefer white.
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    Jan 10, 2014 6:42 AM GMT
    gooddaytoday saidKiwi is white; it's natural for him or anyone to prefer his own kind.

    What's unnatural and media-influenced is what seems to be the majority of minorities who also prefer white.


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    Jan 10, 2014 9:44 AM GMT
    In asia the number of mongoloid asians fucking non asians is vanishingly small. In africa the number of negroid africans fucking non africans is negligible...why would you expect a different result among the caucasians of north america?
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    Jan 10, 2014 10:51 AM GMT
    There are PLENTY OF THESE THREADS all over the shop. Stop creating new ones and post in those current ones. Why must litter this place with this deja-vu trash? Lots of race and ethnicity threads, banging on about whiteness and blackness. You only perpetuate this by screaming about it. Stop complaining and just talk about the beauty of men of all colors.
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    Jan 10, 2014 1:21 PM GMT
    Jesus, it's like the OP thinks that no other race of human other than the White one can think for themselves. Of course racial preference is a natural thing. I, myself am not attracted to African men for example. I'm just not.

    So you can go on about how it's all evil White people brainwashing us (somehow) and look like a bloody fool (which you kind of are), or you can accept that the very analogy you don't like, is in fact true. I'm not racist because I have no sexual attraction to African men. I can talk to them. I can be in their company. It can all be a great time. I just don't want to have sex with them by no choice of my own.

    Where does this 'White people are the bane of existence' line of thinking come from? It's racism pure and simple.

    The blind effort of the politically correct to remain 'pure' from being a racist or sexist person has simply reversed it. Instead of being anti-black for example, a White man or woman is expected to blame fellow White people for everything.

    It's a damn annoying thing that I hope we can all get past eventually.
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    Jan 10, 2014 5:11 PM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidJesus, it's like the OP thinks that no other race of human other than the White one can think for themselves. Of course racial preference is a natural thing. I, myself am not attracted to African men for example. I'm just not.

    So you can go on about how it's all evil White people brainwashing us (somehow) and look like a bloody fool (which you kind of are), or you can accept that the very analogy you don't like, is in fact true. I'm not racist because I have no sexual attraction to African men. I can talk to them. I can be in their company. It can all be a great time. I just don't want to have sex with them by no choice of my own.

    Where does this 'White people are the bane of existence' line of thinking come from? It's racism pure and simple.

    The blind effort of the politically correct to remain 'pure' from being a racist or sexist person has simply reversed it. Instead of being anti-black for example, a White man or woman is expected to blame fellow White people for everything.

    It's a damn annoying thing that I hope we can all get past eventually.



    Oh cut the shit !! I'm so sick of white people acting so fucking clueless, like they dont understand what going on. You know dam well whats happened !!. The reason is because Europeans have colonized almost every part of the world in some manner, and with them they'd bring a system of oppression and white supremacy and the degradation of whatever the native race. And all of a sudden people of color are supposed to act like nothing ever happened, like the events of those times didnt create a massive ripple effect of generational and cultural racism and self hate.

    So when you sit there and have people saying " I dont find African men attractive, its just a preference, no you idiot thats not a bloody preference you tosser !!! That's called prejudice ! Writing off an entire race of people as unattractive IS prejudice, desiring a race more than another is a preference.The the complete rejecting of someone just because of their race is prejudice.
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    Jan 10, 2014 6:47 PM GMT
    People are flawed. Everyone is prejudice. Endlessly talking about it in an online forum will change things 0 percent. Everyone is entitled to not want to date someone because of their voice, hairstyle, favorite band, or skin color. There's nothing immoral about that. Nobody's rights extend to my having to take them out on a date if I don't want to.
    (For the record, I'm not really talking about myself.)
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    Jan 10, 2014 8:04 PM GMT
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    Oh cut the shit !! I'm so sick of white people acting so fucking clueless, like they dont understand what going on. You know dam well whats happened !!. The reason is because Europeans have colonized almost every part of the world in some manner, and with them they'd bring a system of oppression and white supremacy and the degradation of whatever the native race.

    So when you sit there and have people saying " I dont find African men attractive, its just a preference, no you idiot thats not a bloody preference you tosser !!! That's called prejudice ! Writing off an entire race of people as unattractive IS prejudice, desiring a race more than another is a preference.The the complete rejecting of someone just because of their race is prejudice.


    You are a fucking PC muppet.

    I don't find African features attractive, I prefer Caucasian, I prefer chocolate ice cream not mint ice cream. Only some ideologically driven nut case would demand I justify those preferences.

    And drop all the "evil whitey is oppressing us!". China was never colonised and overwhelmed by Western culture, yet the gay ones immigrate to the West and immediately start swarming around white guys.


    And you are a fucking racist enabler you twat !

    You're ignoring the point on purpose. And if it isn't the pot calling the kettle black again calling me pc, YOU are the one who still uses the word 'preference'. Maybe if you owned up to your own shit and changed that word preference to prejudice then at least you'd be telling the truth.

    HAH you are one of those people who likes to evade the main point by pointing out exceptions to the rule to represent the majority !!!! Fuck China ! The reason why they do that is because they are fed eurocentric bull shit when they get here. Obviously they find each other attractive in asia otherwise their race would go extinct. Your post disproves NOTHING I have said dumbshit !!!
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    Jan 10, 2014 8:11 PM GMT
    RJ is filled with too many people who go off the deep end if someone uses a word they don't like. I just don't understand how people can be so controlling.
    This is supposed to be a dating site disguised as a health site but people rarely meet anyone here because we're too busy insulting each other for not thinking exactly the same.
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    Jan 10, 2014 8:19 PM GMT
    Jaggal said^Do a lot of white guys reject you?


    Again trying to use a shaming tactic to derail and evade the point. You dont even know what my race is dumbass. But while we're on the subject of derailing I'd like to ask you a question.

    Do you think it would be an absurd thought to consider that maybe racism is apart of white culture or rather European culture, in the same manner that many people feel that misogyny is apart of Middle eastern culture ? I think its an interesting analogy.
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    Jan 10, 2014 9:01 PM GMT
    kiwiLifter said
    knightmare said
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    You're ignoring the point on purpose. And if it isn't the pot calling the kettle black again calling me pc, YOU are the one who still uses the word 'preference'. Maybe if you owned up to your own shit and changed that word preference to prejudice then at least you'd be telling the truth.

    HAH you are one of those people who likes to evade the main point by pointing out exceptions to the rule to represent the majority !!!! Fuck China ! The reason why they do that is because they are fed eurocentric bull shit when they get here. Obviously they find each other attractive in asia otherwise their race would go extinct. Your post disproves NOTHING I have said dumbshit !!!





    What is PC about using the word preference? Words or catch phrases like "white privilege", "oppression", "heteronormativity", "rape culture" or "weight diversity" are PC terms.

    How can gay Asians who grew up in China or Vietnam and move to my Western city and immediately start chasing white guys, be victims of this "eurocentric" brainwashing you claim is happening.

    Or is this "eurocentric" brainwashing so incredibly powerful it only takes hours or days or weeks to take effect?

    Your arguments are a joke.

    Stop your racist white hating, PC muppet.



    icon_rolleyes.gif At what point did I say that I hated white people ? As for your claims on china, there is no way to fully know whether or not what you're saying is true. Whether or not it takes them hours, days, or weeks is all a matter of information we do not have. I would venture to say that from what I've herd alot of ethnic gays say that some of them are upset with whites, not because they are obsessed, but because maybe dating whites might be their only option especially if your in a small gay community where its majority white the ethnic person may not have the luxury to limit themselves to their own race. But that is only one part, the other I'm sure has to do with the fact that they are too obsessed with whites.

    Look I'm not saying to need to go out and get yourself an Asian or black or what ever other type of ethnic person as your boyfriend, but don't be blind to obvious racism, OR if you feel the need to defend racism just be upfront about it instead of trying to make it seem like its 'not a big deal'. For alot of people it can effect their entire lives.

    @Jaggel. I never get turned down because of my race. I have dated a person of color before. My race is irrelevant to this issue but basically I'll just say that most people assume I'm white when they see me. But why should I have to experience racism to be bothered by it ?
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    Jan 10, 2014 9:02 PM GMT
    kiwiLifter said
    knightmare said
    China was never colonised and overwhelmed by Western culture, yet the gay ones immigrate to the West and immediately start swarming around white guys.


    China has a long history of adoring whiteness and despising blackness. .if africans had white skins, the asian gays you mentioned would swarm around them too.(i'm not one of them.)
  • lvzhi

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    Jan 10, 2014 9:14 PM GMT
    Racism is everywhere, even lighter-skined asians (koreans,japanese and nothern chinese) descrimate against darker asians(southern chinese, vietnamese, thai, filipinos).
  • lvzhi

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    Jan 10, 2014 9:16 PM GMT
    i agree with OP to this "Racial preference is constructed. It reflects the values of a society with clear racial hierarchies.”
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    Jan 10, 2014 11:00 PM GMT
    kiwiLifter said
    ViciousRumor said
    Jaggal said^Why?


    I don't find anyone besides white men sexually attractive and more than likely they are going to share the same values and morals and interests that I do.

    Also being with an attractive white guy means you've attained something. Idk I actually feel more apart of the gay community when I'm with a white guy. I just feel ghetto and deviant when I'm with a black guy. I might as well just stay single. No one is ever going to be envious over you for having an attractive black boyfriend, lol.



    Well this guy just let the cat out of the bag. icon_lol.gif


    Isaiah, your mindset it fucked up.. and wrong. (PR shakes his head)
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    Jan 11, 2014 12:18 AM GMT
    kiwiLifter said
    Terrance said
    China has a long history of adoring whiteness and despising blackness. .if africans had white skins, the asian gays you mentioned would swarm around them too.(i'm not one of them.)



    That "adoration" is not the result of Western media propaganda though is it? If Chinese don't find blacks attractive but think whites are, that is not the result of watching too many/much American TV, movies or magazines.

    So the socially constructed argument crashes and burns yet again.icon_rolleyes.gif

    many chinese prefer light-skined people and white people happen to be light-skined but the amount of chinese that chase white people is only a small percentage of the huge population of china. more chinese are attracted to our own. the small persentage of chinese, both gay and women, that chase white guys may not be because of white men's beautiful features(a lot of the white guys with asians are old and ugly), but because they think being with a white guy represents a better life or a higher social status. Few people of my parents' generation find white people's features attractive but only adore their skin color.
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    Jan 11, 2014 12:21 AM GMT
    ViciousRumor said
    Jaggal said^Why?


    I don't find anyone besides white men sexually attractive and more than likely they are going to share the same values and morals and interests that I do.

    Also being with an attractive white guy means you've attained something. Idk I actually feel more apart of the gay community when I'm with a white guy. I just feel ghetto and deviant when I'm with a black guy. I might as well just stay single. No one is ever going to be envious over you for having an attractive black boyfriend, lol.


    i'll choose a black guy that looks like usher over 98% of white guys.
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    Jan 11, 2014 2:25 AM GMT
    ViciousRumor said
    PR_GMR said
    kiwiLifter said
    ViciousRumor said
    Jaggal said^Why?


    I don't find anyone besides white men sexually attractive and more than likely they are going to share the same values and morals and interests that I do.

    Also being with an attractive white guy means you've attained something. Idk I actually feel more apart of the gay community when I'm with a white guy. I just feel ghetto and deviant when I'm with a black guy. I might as well just stay single. No one is ever going to be envious over you for having an attractive black boyfriend, lol.



    Well this guy just let the cat out of the bag. icon_lol.gif


    Isaiah, your mindset it fucked up.. and wrong. (PR shakes his head)


    I can't help it. That's just the way I see it.


    Sadly, you clearly hate yourself and your race.
  • sross

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    Jan 11, 2014 7:51 AM GMT
    Yikes!
  • lvzhi

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    Jan 11, 2014 10:42 AM GMT
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    The gay asians I see on the scene swarm around the youngish white guys but seeing they are not going to have much luck go with Plan B - that ugly old white guy, who also is invisible to the younger white guys, but hopefully is at least financially "secure".

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    Deep in your soul you think whites are better than races of colors,right? yes, it sucks to be a no-young-handsome-white-guy-would-want asian gay who wants whites, it sucks too when one day you turn into an ugly old white invisible to younger whites.
    If you can represent most whites, I'll lose interest in the whole white race.
    I can't understand how can those asians who exclusively dates whites stand how cheap some whites think they are.
    I've had two average-looking white boyfriends (age 23 and 36 ). I guess they are two of the few whites that are into asians or they were just not so blinded to screen out potential lovers.

    Racism and racial hyrarchies exist. i deeply feel it. As an asian, my love life is not as colorful as some hot young whites, but it doesnt bother me much, life has many other aspects to think about or worry about.besides I'm attracted only to a small amount of men of any races and i just need one of them. Don't know what color he will be. A Chinese saying "弱水三千,只取一瓢though a vast ocean there is, all i need is a scoop of it.”I hope my limited English can convey what i feel and think.