Pyramid Scheme which is supposed to be a job interview!

  • RITS

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    Dec 13, 2008 5:11 AM GMT
    Alright so I am currently looking for a new job. And got a phone call from a woman who was wondering if I was still looking for a job. I have the interview set up on monday. I asked her for the job description and she did not really TELL ME. She gave me an address that is weird since it is not the building address but a number close to it. So I researched the company name and where it was and this is what I found.
    This is from a website that a lady wrote a blog about.

    2. On July 9, 2008, a woman named “Grace” gave my girlfriend Deb a phone number for me to call her for a job opportunity at (651) 642-1264.

    Deb told "Grace" that I am legal student looking for employment. “Grace” told Deb she could contact me about a job where I do not have to worry about having a babysitter. Deb came home and directed me to call “Grace” about a job.

    3. I called “Grace” to schedule an interview, in which she told me that she heard from Deb that I like to help people and that I could work part-time until I can settle myself into something. I asked “Grace” what the job is, but she hesitated to answer any questions so I could research the company where she works. “Grace” only said to come to 2730 Highway 694, New Brighton, MN 55112 for an individual meeting with her tomorrow and she only said the name of the company is “MAC.”

    4. On July 10, 2008, I arrived at MAC, Inc., for the scheduled interview with other people who I believed to be job applicants. The MAC, Inc., representatives directed the applicants to take a seat in a presentation room that contained a white board, a large screen TV, and a table off to the right displaying Symmetry nutritional products.

    5. At 1:00 PM, the “six-figure leader” gave a two-hour long sales pitch on the promise of help, training, and organization building for investing in Symmetry nutritional products. The speaker gave a PowerPoint presentation where it showed the invitees the company belongs to the Better Business Bureau and the Direct Marketing Association.

    The presentation consisted of two videos, one video depicting the Symmetry product named Genesis©, and the other video showing images of wealthy people living a wealthier lifestyle with personal testimony about selling Symmetry products.

    6. The presentation speaker asked the invitees if they like to live in a better house, have a better car, and a better life. The presentation speaker than pitched the three different retail packages available to sell once the person joins with a $12.00 sign up fee, in which I believe to be illegal as a franchise fee. Banbury v. Omnitrition Int’l, 533 N.W.2d 876 (Minn. App. 1995).

    In addition, the sales pitch also promoted the “Seeds of Success” seminar in Chicago on the weekend of July 27, 2008 for an extra $300.00, in which case I saw two people write out a check for the seminar.

    7. Once the presentation finished, “Grace” took my resume even though by now I felt wary of a dubious business. “Grace” took me aside for a one-on-one discussion about signing me up as an independent distributor for Symmetry and MAC, Inc. I balked at the idea that I should give any money for a job opportunity, especially when I do not have any money.

    8. “Grace” called over “Dave” who I believed to be her senior representative who then introduced himself and asked me about my financial concerns. I told the both of them that I cannot afford to invest in any adventure that requires money. “Dave” kept up the sales pressure on me to ask my girlfriend for the money or use credit cards. He then offered me to buy two “best-selling nutritional products” for $70.00 to start my business.

    "Dave” stated, “He and “Grace” would help me build the business as an independent distributor because if I sell their products then “Grace” will get paid and he will get paid” [with residual profits]. I told “Dave” and “Grace’ that I would try to come up with the $163.00 for the starter package that contains the personal Web site.






  • RITS

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    Dec 13, 2008 5:12 AM GMT
    So basically I am going to go to the interview so I can scream at the lady during the presentation. I plan on having a friend call me with my phone on loud and will be as rude as I can be. Any other ideas?
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    Dec 13, 2008 6:41 AM GMT
    Just don't show, it's a waste of your time.
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    Dec 13, 2008 7:25 AM GMT
    This happened to me a couple of times in college. Once, it was the Electrolux people. I got outta there as fast as I could. The other time, it was for some MLM type of thing, but I didn't stick long enough to figure out what the product was. Basically, the people at the top of the pyramid make beaucoup bucks by pressuring desperate folks to buy these "starter" kits. These are societal vampires. With a few exceptions, virtually all multi-level or network marketing programs aren't worth your time or money.
  • EricLA

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    Dec 13, 2008 7:52 AM GMT
    JustJohn saidJust don't show, it's a waste of your time.


    Agreed. This sounds like a total scam. They want to wear you down till you sign. Don't give them one red cent. I wouldn't even go back for a second time. Find something better to do with your time
  • RITS

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    Dec 13, 2008 8:06 AM GMT
    Thank you for the feedback. I honestly want to go to be as rude as I can. And make other ppl that might fall into the trap to not. I wanna be rude and yell....lol just finished finals.... I need to let out my feelings on someone!
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    Dec 13, 2008 9:59 AM GMT
    Tip off the police. You might be smart, but there are endless suckers out there. They don't know what you look like. The police could get a hot replacement for you at the interview. Save your screaming for the dance floor. icon_smile.gif

  • MarvelClimber

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    Dec 13, 2008 10:41 AM GMT
    RITS067 saidThank you for the feedback. I honestly want to go to be as rude as I can. And make other ppl that might fall into the trap to not. I wanna be rude and yell....lol just finished finals.... I need to let out my feelings on someone!


    Doing that isn't going to make anyone open their eyes. You're just gonna look like a jerk. And you would be if you were to take your anger out from one area in your life and direct it at other people, especially when you don't even have to be there. You might try channeling that energy into your workouts.
  • Aquanerd

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    Dec 13, 2008 12:30 PM GMT
    makeumyne saidTip off the police. You might be smart, but there are endless suckers out there. They don't know what you look like. The police could get a hot replacement for you at the interview. Save your screaming for the dance floor. icon_smile.gif



    Another waste of time, making money off suckers is legal, so the cops will do nothing with most MLM companies.

    Good rule of thumb, if you have to spend money to get the job, you will probably lose a lot more before you figure out that recruiting more suckers is the only way to "get rich" with these companies.

    I had an experience with one of these companies, a guy came into a shop I was managing in Grad School, and started talking to me about a new "online" retail op (this was the mid 90's.) He invited me to dinner to discuss in detail (he really wanted my input.) I was reticent, thought he was trying to pick me up as much as anything. When I got to the restaurant there were to other guys talking with two other schmucks. As soon as he started his schpeel I realized it was a MLM so I said, "No Thank You," and left. The two other guys started looking like lambs to a slaughter, i hope they got out of there as well.
  • RITS

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    Dec 13, 2008 3:33 PM GMT
    325F.69 UNLAWFUL PRACTICES.
    Subdivision 1. Fraud, misrepresentation, deceptive practices. The act, use, or employment by any person of any fraud, false pretense, false promise, misrepresentation, misleading statement or deceptive practice, with the intent that others rely thereon in connection with the sale of any merchandise, whether or not any person has in fact been misled, deceived, or damaged thereby, is enjoinable as provided in section 325F.70.
    Subd. 2. Referral and chain referral selling prohibited. (1) With respect to any sale or lease the seller or lessor may not give or offer a rebate or discount or otherwise pay or offer to pay value to the buyer or lessee as an inducement for a sale or lease in consideration of the buyer's or lessee's giving to the seller or lessor the names of prospective purchasers or lessees, or otherwise aiding the seller or lessor in making a sale or lease to another person, if the earning of the rebate, discount or other value is contingent upon the occurrence of an event subsequent to the time the buyer or lessee agrees to buy or lease.
  • CAtoFL

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    Dec 13, 2008 3:45 PM GMT
    Small pickings!

    If you're gonna do a Ponzi scheme, work Wall Street and see if you can make $50 billion.
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    Dec 13, 2008 3:57 PM GMT
    Do not get involved with Symnetry.
  • RITS

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    Dec 13, 2008 4:14 PM GMT
    I don't plan on signing up with them. Just kind of want to F*** with them. First day off in a while and thought it would be funny to mess with them
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    Dec 13, 2008 4:17 PM GMT
    When I moved to Albuquerque to start my life's adventure I ended up at one of these things because I too was looking for a job and a recession was in effect. The two things I remember most was, first, how sad I felt for Kenny Loggins, who's career had sunk so low that he was the shill featured in the promo video we had to watch. He was talking about how this nutritional products company had changed his life. Pity. Here I thought his duet with Stevie Nicks put him on the path to success.

    During the video I started to feel like I was on a Highway to the Danger Zone. It felt like I was in a real-life infomercial. I was sensing some predatory psychological tactics. They laid on the charm pretty thick, and Whenever They Called Me 'Friend' I felt a little gross. When 1:1 interview time came I said to myself "This is It" and began thinking of how I could get out of the meeting. Despite their high pressure objections I managed to escape. Still, there was a little part of me that wondered if I judged too quickly and shot myself in the foot. Not having a job can f*ck with your confidence level.

    But of course I received a follow-up call. So the second thing I remember was the local pyramid leader, once I flatly declined for the last time, asking me "what kind of fucking idiot moves to a city without having a job lined up first". But what can I say? I was 24, Footloose, and fancy-free. And the fact that the guy lost his cool and exposed his disrespect made me realize that, hey, I'm Alright after all. Intuition strong. Confidence back.

    So many of these types of people are desperate, pathetic, sketchy f*ckwads.

    One week later I had a killer job that immediately plugged me into the local entertainment/social scene, working for the two guys who started The Onion.

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    Dec 13, 2008 10:02 PM GMT
    I wouldn't go...unless you act cool and then report them. Just going to mess with them will have others (I'm sure it's a group interview process) interested after they claim you're negative and not willing to make your life better. I'd just stay home.
  • coolarmydude

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    Dec 13, 2008 10:34 PM GMT
    Your best solution is to report it to the FBI.

    http://www.fbi.gov/

    Don't invest in drama.
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    Dec 21, 2008 11:58 PM GMT
    There are two sides to this.

    1) you were misled, and that's wrong. You should call whomever you contacted about this "job" and berate them for leading you on.

    2) MLM, or direct marketed products, can be great - both from a product and a business perspective. During college, I made extra money with one, and it did provide a consistent and rather significant chunk of change (over 1000/month, with about 10/hrs week involvement). It was legit, the company was 25yo, and is now 30. I no longer market the products, but I do still use them (most are nutritionals, and some water/air purification things), and think they have good products, at fair prices...The company is Nikken - they're Japanese. A lot of the companies are new, and will take advantage of people, so you must beware.

    3) From a business perspective, I have a friend who's involved with Arbonne - swiss skincare - and I use her products (which I *love* by the way). She want's me to join her business team, but I"m really not interested. She does make very good money, and is one of the top salespeople here.

    4) I am sorry you were approached in this manner. It gives the legit companies a bad reputation, and then they are dismissed, even when some of them offer some really good products, at reasonable prices.

    Tupperware was originally sold this way...and look at the impact it's had on the overall consumer market...so was synthetic motor oil...

    Anyhow...I digress. There are a lot of really good, reputable companies out there that deliver quality products at fair prices, and if you're interested, you could have your own business selling them. But make no mistake, it is sales, and it's tough work...and by no means should it ever be conveyed as a "job" - because it isn't.

    Sorry bout your experience though.