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    Jan 11, 2014 2:36 AM GMT
    I don't usually participate in race threads because it seems as though people wanting more diversity in the media don't get their point across using words…so, I thought I would use a picture. If you look all over the news and internet, reporters are making such a big deal that this guy is the very first LATINO / HISPANIC bachelor ever on TV.

    Be honest here- do you see latino/hispanic when you see him, or do you see a white guy? This is an example of what people mean when they talk about white-washing. I mean, could they have gotten a more white-looking guy than that? He even has blonde hair!

    I've never watched the bachelor, and you might not either but guess what? Thousands of people do…and the media is subconsciously telling people that if you want to be desirable with a bunch of beautiful people wanting to date you, you better look white…even if your name is Juan...

    By the way, this is not from someone desperate for a date- I've dated many caucasian guys (and other races), and still get the looks so this is not a plead for me to get a "white" guy, but a discussion using a picture to see if the point gets across..

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    Jan 11, 2014 2:44 AM GMT
    Latino is not a race. It's a ethnic/cultural category. So yes, while he does look stereotypically white, he indeed is still Latino. He was raised in Venezuela and Miami. You can't get more Latino than that. And if you come down here, you will see many, many Latin men that look like him.

    Could they have picked a guy that looks more "Latino"? Yes. But this is the best they could come up with I guess, and at least ABC is TRYING to be a bit more culturally inclusive. So whatevs....

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    Jan 11, 2014 2:49 AM GMT
    icefan saidI don't usually participate in race threads because it seems as though people wanting more diversity in the media don't get their point across using words…so, I thought I would use a picture. If you look all over the news and internet, reporters are making such a big deal that this guy is the very first LATINO / HISPANIC bachelor ever on TV.

    Be honest here- do you see latino/hispanic when you see him, or do you see a white guy? This is an example of what people mean when they talk about white-washing. I mean, could they have gotten a more white-looking guy than that? He even has blonde hair!

    I've never watched the bachelor, and you might not either but guess what? Thousands of people do…and the media is subconsciously telling people that if you want to be desirable with a bunch of beautiful people wanting to date you, you better look white…even if your name is Juan...

    By the way, this is not from someone desperate for a date- I've dated many white guys (and other races), and still get the looks so this is not a plead for me to get a date, but a discussion using a picture to see if the point gets across..

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    I'm trying to find an old jmusmc85 thread to maybe post some pictures and comments in, but there is a B-list actor from a late 80's middle school/early 90's high school sitcom on NBC that may surprise most people to the length he might have altered his features just to become "white for the screen". Since RJ is google cached, and since the actor may google his own name a few times in the future, I wonder if I should still post about him...
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    Jan 11, 2014 2:49 AM GMT
    icefan saidBe honest here- do you see latino/hispanic when you see him, or do you see a white guy?

    I see a white guy, but is that because I've been culturally conditioned to think "Latino" men will have a darker complexion, typically black hair brown eyes?

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    Jan 11, 2014 2:51 AM GMT
    jmusmc85 saidLatino is not a race. It's a ethnic/cultural category. So yes, while he does look stereotypically white, he indeed is still Latino. He was raised in Venezuela and Miami. You can't get more Latino than that. And if you come down here, you will see many, many Latin men that look like him.

    Could they have picked a guy that looks more "Latino"? Yes. But this is the best they could come up with I guess, and at least ABC is TRYING to be a bit more culturally inclusive. So whatevs....



    But that's my point- there is such a variety of latinos and hispanics that out of everyone they could have picked, why did they pick a guy that, as you said, looks stereotypically white?
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    Jan 11, 2014 2:51 AM GMT
    icefan saidand the media is subconsciously telling people that if you want to be desirable with a bunch of beautiful people wanting to date you, you better look white…


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    icefan saidI don't usually participate in race threads because it seems as though people wanting more diversity in the media don't get their point across using words…so, I thought I would use a picture. If you look all over the news and internet, reporters are making such a big deal that this guy is the very first LATINO / HISPANIC bachelor ever on TV.

    Be honest here- do you see latino/hispanic when you see him, or do you see a white guy? This is an example of what people mean when they talk about white-washing. I mean, could they have gotten a more white-looking guy than that? He even has blonde hair!

    I've never watched the bachelor, and you might not either but guess what? Thousands of people do…and the media is subconsciously telling people that if you want to be desirable with a bunch of beautiful people wanting to date you, you better look white…even if your name is Juan...

    By the way, this is not from someone desperate for a date- I've dated many white guys (and other races), and still get the looks so this is not a plead for me to get a date, but a discussion using a picture to see if the point gets across..

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    I'm trying to find an old jmusmc85 thread to maybe post some pictures and comments in, but there is a B-list actor from a late 80's middle school/early 90's high school sitcom on NBC that may surprise most people to the length he might have altered his features just to become "white for the screen". Since RJ is google cached, and since the actor may google his own name a few times in the future, I wonder if I should still post about him...


    You're a fuckin lunatic unnamed. You always post about what you are going to say, but never actually post anything of substance. Go jump off a bridge please....icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 11, 2014 2:52 AM GMT
    Also Hispanic is extremely diverse. I'm Mexican, I have green eyes and I'm 6'1". I went to school with other Mexicans who were blonde and blue eyed.
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    Jan 11, 2014 2:53 AM GMT
    There's a Mexican fast food place I go to sometimes, a chain called El Farolito. They always have the big screen tv tuned to a Spanish language Latin channel, Univision, Telemundo, etc. I'm always surprised at how a high percentage of the actors and actresses on those tv channels are so completely caucasian looking.
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    Jan 11, 2014 2:53 AM GMT
    icefan said
    But that's my point- there is such a variety of latinos and hispanics that out of everyone they could have picked, why did they pick a guy that, as you said, looks stereotypically white?
    So you would prefer they pick someone stereotypically Latino?
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    Jan 11, 2014 2:54 AM GMT
    Exactly what is a Latino supposed to look like ? Juan is a Spanish name, Spain is in Europe, Europe = WHITE !!!!!

    Assuming that a 'Juan' would be an ethnic looking person is just like assuming a 'John' would be ethnic.
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    Jan 11, 2014 3:03 AM GMT
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    icefan saidI don't usually participate in race threads because it seems as though people wanting more diversity in the media don't get their point across using words…so, I thought I would use a picture. If you look all over the news and internet, reporters are making such a big deal that this guy is the very first LATINO / HISPANIC bachelor ever on TV.

    Be honest here- do you see latino/hispanic when you see him, or do you see a white guy? This is an example of what people mean when they talk about white-washing. I mean, could they have gotten a more white-looking guy than that? He even has blonde hair!

    I've never watched the bachelor, and you might not either but guess what? Thousands of people do…and the media is subconsciously telling people that if you want to be desirable with a bunch of beautiful people wanting to date you, you better look white…even if your name is Juan...

    By the way, this is not from someone desperate for a date- I've dated many white guys (and other races), and still get the looks so this is not a plead for me to get a date, but a discussion using a picture to see if the point gets across..

    ffn-milano-alyssa-gaa-010714-51298540-34


    I'm trying to find an old jmusmc85 thread to maybe post some pictures and comments in, but there is a B-list actor from a late 80's middle school/early 90's high school sitcom on NBC that may surprise most people to the length he might have altered his features just to become "white for the screen". Since RJ is google cached, and since the actor may google his own name a few times in the future, I wonder if I should still post about him...


    You're a fuckin lunatic unnamed. You always post about what you are going to say, but never actually post anything of substance. Go jump off a bridge please....icon_rolleyes.gif


    I gave enough clues. And if you are willing to put the time in this, it can take a couple of hours to find pictures of this actor in his younger years, even on Punky Brewster, and see how he might have altered his features... And I came across pictures of his niece and even his own daughter (to a certain degree anyway) and they did not escape the tan that they must have inherited from their grandmother in spite of their parents marrying white people. The actor is nearing 40 now. And what was that thread called that you made about either becoming another race or altering one's features?
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    Jan 11, 2014 3:04 AM GMT
    I understand that there's a variety of features for any race--think about it: I am a minority in the US so why would I ever think that there isn't variety in people of different backgrounds? This is about what many people may generally think…you all really think that most people think of blonde hair when they think of someone hispanic or latino? I'm not asking you about your experience in what you know about hispanics, latinos, or any background…I am asking what you think the general population would think? That if you took a random poll across America that most people would list blonde hair and pale skin when they immediately think of the word hispanic or latino?
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    Jan 11, 2014 3:04 AM GMT
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    jmusmc85 said
    Unnamed5 said
    icefan saidI don't usually participate in race threads because it seems as though people wanting more diversity in the media don't get their point across using words…so, I thought I would use a picture. If you look all over the news and internet, reporters are making such a big deal that this guy is the very first LATINO / HISPANIC bachelor ever on TV.

    Be honest here- do you see latino/hispanic when you see him, or do you see a white guy? This is an example of what people mean when they talk about white-washing. I mean, could they have gotten a more white-looking guy than that? He even has blonde hair!

    I've never watched the bachelor, and you might not either but guess what? Thousands of people do…and the media is subconsciously telling people that if you want to be desirable with a bunch of beautiful people wanting to date you, you better look white…even if your name is Juan...

    By the way, this is not from someone desperate for a date- I've dated many white guys (and other races), and still get the looks so this is not a plead for me to get a date, but a discussion using a picture to see if the point gets across..

    ffn-milano-alyssa-gaa-010714-51298540-34


    I'm trying to find an old jmusmc85 thread to maybe post some pictures and comments in, but there is a B-list actor from a late 80's middle school/early 90's high school sitcom on NBC that may surprise most people to the length he might have altered his features just to become "white for the screen". Since RJ is google cached, and since the actor may google his own name a few times in the future, I wonder if I should still post about him...


    You're a fuckin lunatic unnamed. You always post about what you are going to say, but never actually post anything of substance. Go jump off a bridge please....icon_rolleyes.gif


    I gave enough clues. And if you are willing to put the time in this, it can take a couple of hours to find pictures of this actor in his younger years, even on Punky Brewster, and see how he might have altered his features... And I came across pictures of his niece and even his own daughter (to a certain degree anyway) and they did not escape the tan that they must have inherited from their grandmother in spite of their parents marrying white people. The actor is nearing 40 now. And what was that thread called that you made about either becoming another race or altering one's features?


    You realize you are psycho, right?

    A)Nobody is going to spend hours looking for those pics.

    B) I made no such thread.
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    Jan 11, 2014 3:06 AM GMT
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    icefan saidI don't usually participate in race threads because it seems as though people wanting more diversity in the media don't get their point across using words…so, I thought I would use a picture. If you look all over the news and internet, reporters are making such a big deal that this guy is the very first LATINO / HISPANIC bachelor ever on TV.

    Be honest here- do you see latino/hispanic when you see him, or do you see a white guy? This is an example of what people mean when they talk about white-washing. I mean, could they have gotten a more white-looking guy than that? He even has blonde hair!

    I've never watched the bachelor, and you might not either but guess what? Thousands of people do…and the media is subconsciously telling people that if you want to be desirable with a bunch of beautiful people wanting to date you, you better look white…even if your name is Juan...

    By the way, this is not from someone desperate for a date- I've dated many white guys (and other races), and still get the looks so this is not a plead for me to get a date, but a discussion using a picture to see if the point gets across..

    ffn-milano-alyssa-gaa-010714-51298540-34


    I'm trying to find an old jmusmc85 thread to maybe post some pictures and comments in, but there is a B-list actor from a late 80's middle school/early 90's high school sitcom on NBC that may surprise most people to the length he might have altered his features just to become "white for the screen". Since RJ is google cached, and since the actor may google his own name a few times in the future, I wonder if I should still post about him...


    You're a fuckin lunatic unnamed. You always post about what you are going to say, but never actually post anything of substance. Go jump off a bridge please....icon_rolleyes.gif


    I gave enough clues. And if you are willing to put the time in this, it can take a couple of hours to find pictures of this actor in his younger years, even on Punky Brewster, and see how he might have altered his features... And I came across pictures of his niece and even his own daughter (to a certain degree anyway) and they did not escape the tan that they must have inherited from their grandmother in spite of their parents marrying white people. The actor is nearing 40 now. And what was that thread called that you made about either becoming another race or altering one's features?


    The actor has a South East Asian background.
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    Jan 11, 2014 3:08 AM GMT
    icefan saidI understand that there's a variety of features for any race--think about it- I am a minority in the US so why would I ever think that there isn't variety in people of different backgrounds? This is about what many people may generally think…you all really think that most people think of blonde hair when they think of someone hispanic or latino? I'm not asking you about your experience in what you know about hispanics, latinos, or any background…I am asking what you think the general population would think? That if you took a random poll across America that most people would list blonde hair when they immediately think of someone hispanic or latino?

    Yeah, but you didn't answer my question… why do we think "latin looking" means dark complected, black hair and brown eyes? Hmmm? Why do we think that?
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    Jan 11, 2014 3:13 AM GMT
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    Unnamed5 said
    jmusmc85 said
    Unnamed5 said
    icefan saidI don't usually participate in race threads because it seems as though people wanting more diversity in the media don't get their point across using words…so, I thought I would use a picture. If you look all over the news and internet, reporters are making such a big deal that this guy is the very first LATINO / HISPANIC bachelor ever on TV.

    Be honest here- do you see latino/hispanic when you see him, or do you see a white guy? This is an example of what people mean when they talk about white-washing. I mean, could they have gotten a more white-looking guy than that? He even has blonde hair!

    I've never watched the bachelor, and you might not either but guess what? Thousands of people do…and the media is subconsciously telling people that if you want to be desirable with a bunch of beautiful people wanting to date you, you better look white…even if your name is Juan...

    By the way, this is not from someone desperate for a date- I've dated many white guys (and other races), and still get the looks so this is not a plead for me to get a date, but a discussion using a picture to see if the point gets across..

    ffn-milano-alyssa-gaa-010714-51298540-34


    I'm trying to find an old jmusmc85 thread to maybe post some pictures and comments in, but there is a B-list actor from a late 80's middle school/early 90's high school sitcom on NBC that may surprise most people to the length he might have altered his features just to become "white for the screen". Since RJ is google cached, and since the actor may google his own name a few times in the future, I wonder if I should still post about him...


    You're a fuckin lunatic unnamed. You always post about what you are going to say, but never actually post anything of substance. Go jump off a bridge please....icon_rolleyes.gif


    I gave enough clues. And if you are willing to put the time in this, it can take a couple of hours to find pictures of this actor in his younger years, even on Punky Brewster, and see how he might have altered his features... And I came across pictures of his niece and even his own daughter (to a certain degree anyway) and they did not escape the tan that they must have inherited from their grandmother in spite of their parents marrying white people. The actor is nearing 40 now. And what was that thread called that you made about either becoming another race or altering one's features?


    You realize you are psycho, right?

    A)Nobody is going to spend hours looking for those pics.

    B) I made no such thread.


    It's a thread you made on some topic like that, I just can't describe or identify it too well at the moment. I don't want to be the only person on the internet to say things about a person, so I'll just leave it at that. And jmusmc85, there's only so many NBC sitcoms about high school, and to think of it, they also did a "college years" too.
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    Jan 11, 2014 3:17 AM GMT
    It's Mario Fuckin Lopez. Why won't you just say his goddamn name you fuckin socially inept lunatic? MARIO LOPEZ.


    Jesus H. Christ you need to be put into an asylum....icon_confused.gif
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    Jan 11, 2014 3:18 AM GMT
    It seems no matter how many times we tell you bloody idiots Latino is not a race you still don't listen. Spain invaded/ colonized South America and the bordering carrbean islands, slaughtered, enslaved and raped the majority of the native population ( mayas, aztecs, tainos ), and brought African slaves who were also raped. Thus producing your modern day 'hispanics'. The history is almost identical to North America except the English colonized North America instead of Spain hence why americans speak english.


    Bottom line is Juan is just as good a representation of a hispanc as anyone ...
    Saying Juan dosent 'look' hispanic is like saying Justin Timberlake dosent look American
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    Jan 11, 2014 3:21 AM GMT
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    Yeah, but you didn't answer my question… why do we think "latin looking" means dark complected, black hair and brown eyes? Hmmm? Why do we think that?


    *raises hand* oh oh, me me!!

    It's because the media has insidiously pushed upon the collective consciousness that Hispanic means a poor, darker-feature laborer icon_biggrin.gif
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    MikeW said
    Yeah, but you didn't answer my question… why do we think "latin looking" means dark complected, black hair and brown eyes? Hmmm? Why do we think that?


    *raises hand* oh oh, me me!!

    It's because the media has insidiously pushed upon the collective consciousness that Hispanic means a poor, darker-feature laborer icon_biggrin.gif


    Question Maitz: Do you feel, at times, you are representing all of Mexico when around people who are not Mexican/Latino?
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    Jan 11, 2014 3:23 AM GMT
    Matiz said
    MikeW said
    Yeah, but you didn't answer my question… why do we think "latin looking" means dark complected, black hair and brown eyes? Hmmm? Why do we think that?


    *raises hand* oh oh, me me!!

    It's because the media has insidiously pushed upon the collective consciousness that Hispanic means a poor, darker-feature laborer icon_biggrin.gif

    My Mexican cousins are all very fair, too. Very light-skinned, some blond. of course, being Jewish broads, the women all go blonde---in time.
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    Jan 11, 2014 3:41 AM GMT
    Matiz said
    MikeW said
    Yeah, but you didn't answer my question… why do we think "latin looking" means dark complected, black hair and brown eyes? Hmmm? Why do we think that?


    *raises hand* oh oh, me me!!

    It's because the media has insidiously pushed upon the collective consciousness that Hispanic means a poor, darker-feature laborer icon_biggrin.gif

    Like DUH icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 11, 2014 3:57 AM GMT
    Blondie doesn't look Latino, to me.
    This guy looks Latino.

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    Jan 11, 2014 4:06 AM GMT
    If I get really tanned in the summer, I look more Latino than El Bachelor. icon_biggrin.gif