Gay Men Make The Best Bosses

  • metta

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    Jan 11, 2014 8:38 PM GMT
    GAY MEN MAKE THE BEST BOSSES

    http://www.towleroad.com/2014/01/gay-men-make-the-best-bosses.html

    (It is in reference to gay male bosses in general, not every gay boss.)
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    Jan 11, 2014 9:09 PM GMT
    I was an amazing boss for the last year and a half! Alas, now I'm just a worker bee again and I am looking forward to it!
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    Jan 11, 2014 9:49 PM GMT
    "What gay men appear to do better than straight men in positions of authority is to actually respect subordinates as human beings with lives and problems and complications all their own and treat them with the level of compassion and understanding that they need to remain happy and effective, versus telling them to nut-up and get over it, whatever 'it' may be."

    Spoken for truth. But I wonder if gay bosses treat gay subordinates better or worse than straight subordinates because the only gay boss I ever had really had it in for me.

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    Jan 11, 2014 9:55 PM GMT
    My new manager is really good and he is gay. He is the first boss I have had since 2006 who is not terrible at being a boss.

    He is planning to get fit this year so I have a slight worry that he will make a profile on here and see all of my posts and pics icon_eek.gif
  • PolitiMAC

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    Jan 11, 2014 11:51 PM GMT
    This is such crap icon_razz.gif There's no scientific data to back this up and so many gay men are shallow bitches who give not one fuck about anyone but themselves.

    Plus, managers DO need to tell their employees to get over their problems, as long as they are manageable. This whole, 'be nice to everyone and everyone will like me' line of thinking is not good management.
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    Jan 12, 2014 12:11 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidThis is such crap icon_razz.gif There's no scientific data to back this up and so many gay men are shallow bitches who give not one fuck about anyone but themselves.

    Plus, managers DO need to tell their employees to get over their problems, as long as they are manageable. This whole, 'be nice to everyone and everyone will like me' line of thinking is not good management.

    I see you're drawing on your many years of experience in the workforce.
  • Destinharbor

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    Jan 12, 2014 12:20 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidThis is such crap icon_razz.gif There's no scientific data to back this up and so many gay men are shallow bitches who give not one fuck about anyone but themselves.

    Plus, managers DO need to tell their employees to get over their problems, as long as they are manageable. This whole, 'be nice to everyone and everyone will like me' line of thinking is not good management.

    I totally disagree but I understand why you think it. Employees stopped being people and started being assets in corporate America in the 1980's. Jack Welch at GE invented the concept. Ranked everyone and fired the bottom 10% every year even if they all did good work. Started a culture of backstabbing and devaluation of employees.
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    Jan 12, 2014 12:25 AM GMT
    My manger is gay and he hits on me all day ,
    Is completely innapropiate and a terrible boss and person in general.
  • Import

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    Jan 12, 2014 12:27 AM GMT
    I dont necessarily believe this is true either.

    My direct manager at my previous place of employment (Nova Southeastern University in Davie, FL) was gay.....and a real fuckin prick.

    He though himself very fabulous, very cute, very entitled, and he was SUCH a pretentious dickhead.

    I could go on and write a diatribe about how shitty of a manager he was and how he was a horrible person in general, but I won't, however do gays make better managers? I don't really think so.

    People are people. You've got assholes and shitheads....and you've got the nice ones. My current supervisor is a straight guy. And he is a dream compared to the gay manager I had previously. So, everyone's experiences will be different.

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    Jan 12, 2014 1:42 AM GMT
    Great article. I'm not sure what kind of a boss I will be. Hopefully, an effective one. But, I know that I'll be very demanding as well.
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    Jan 12, 2014 1:45 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidThis is such crap icon_razz.gifPlus, managers DO need to tell their employees to get over their problems, as long as they are manageable. This whole, 'be nice to everyone and everyone will like me' line of thinking is not good management.
    I have had 20 years experience as a boss. I can't begin to tell you how productive teams become if the boss listens, takes them seriously, incorporates their best ideas, and cares -- and is able to foster this approach in every team member. I could care less if I am liked.
  • PolitiMAC

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    Jan 12, 2014 1:59 AM GMT
    NotYourAverageJoe said
    PolitiNerd saidThis is such crap icon_razz.gif There's no scientific data to back this up and so many gay men are shallow bitches who give not one fuck about anyone but themselves.

    Plus, managers DO need to tell their employees to get over their problems, as long as they are manageable. This whole, 'be nice to everyone and everyone will like me' line of thinking is not good management.


    I haven't read Kirk Snyder's book, but he might disagree with your casual dismissal of his research. Your experience may have led you to think that gay men are shallow, but I'm guessing from your profile that this is based on social interactions.

    Since I have been a manager for almost as long as you have been alive, I hope that my employees can look back at their careers and see the positive influence that I have contributed to their lives. It isn't about being nice as much as it is about recognizing motivations and priorities and respecting people for being deeper than their job.


    I'm not saying a manager should be an awful person, but being a manger is not about being a friend. It's about getting the job done. Of course, I would always hope for a manger to be an approachable and pleasant person.

    I base my statement of many gay men being shallow because...wait for it...

    Many gay men are SHALLOW. And many are not. Just the same with any other human being.

    And why say I "casually dismissed his work"? I don't even know who he is, let alone any supposed research. How am I to know if the research is even good? The logical fallacy of an appeal to authority is a logical fallacy for a reason
  • hebrewman

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    Jan 12, 2014 2:55 AM GMT
    sometimes. not always. in 2002, i had a flight attendant supervisor that was a terror to deal with. he was a hair stylist prior to flight attendant training. he worked on the line for 2 years, then became a supervisor. he was, by all accounts, a fag on a power trip. and he really was. his personality did not belong in a position of such authority. as a union rep, i constantly had to deal with this prick. after 5 years of BLATANT harassment, he was booted out of the position back to flying the line. i've not heard or seen him since. i think the philly f/a's showed him a tire iron. good riddance. this man was impossible.
  • riverrunner

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    Jan 12, 2014 3:35 AM GMT
    I manage 12 women and find there is nothing they have I want. That makes it easier to manage. I have told them that I am grateful I don't have to go home to one of them at the end of the day!!!icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jan 12, 2014 3:36 AM GMT
    YourName2000 said
    Aristoshark said
    PolitiNerd saidThis is such crap icon_razz.gif There's no scientific data to back this up and so many gay men are shallow bitches who give not one fuck about anyone but themselves.

    Plus, managers DO need to tell their employees to get over their problems, as long as they are manageable. This whole, 'be nice to everyone and everyone will like me' line of thinking is not good management.

    I see you're drawing on your many years of experience in the workforce.

    Check out his abortion thread, the idiocy will blow your freakin' mind....just what the world needs: a sexless, pimply, gay virgin waxing poetic about what he thinks pregnant women should do with their bodies. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Reminds me of a quote.... It's a shame that all of life's problems don't come when you're 17 (18, in his case), because that's when you have all the answers.
  • LJay

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    Jan 12, 2014 3:40 AM GMT
    This is just wrong.

    The last boss I had was conniving, vindictive, malicious and played favorites like cards in a poker game. He is gay.

    There were several other gay men in the outfit that would have slit their own mother's throat to get ahead and were professionals at denying it, though they fooled no one.

    Get off it, people. The claim that ANY category of people make the best bosses is feather headed nonsense.

    Pollyanna Kool-Aid, anyone?
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    Jan 12, 2014 3:40 AM GMT
    Well, I wonder of this is occupation specific. I work in recruiting/hr and very few of the openly gay male managers that I've known in my career have been regarded as even capable managers by employees. Same experience in sales roles. And regardless of how feminine or masculine the gay guy was. The best managers I've ever had have all been confident managers who were comfortable in their skin, regardless of gender, orientation or ethnicity.
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    Jan 12, 2014 4:10 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidThis is such crap icon_razz.gif There's no scientific data to back this up and so many gay men are shallow bitches who give not one fuck about anyone but themselves.

    Plus, managers DO need to tell their employees to get over their problems, as long as they are manageable. This whole, 'be nice to everyone and everyone will like me' line of thinking is not good management.



    I guess that is why hetero white republican men make the best bosses, corporate lip service on how to behave icon_rolleyes.gif
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3626595
  • PolitiMAC

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    Jan 12, 2014 4:20 AM GMT
    scruffLA said
    PolitiNerd saidThis is such crap icon_razz.gif There's no scientific data to back this up and so many gay men are shallow bitches who give not one fuck about anyone but themselves.

    Plus, managers DO need to tell their employees to get over their problems, as long as they are manageable. This whole, 'be nice to everyone and everyone will like me' line of thinking is not good management.



    I guess that is why hetero white republican men make the best bosses, corporate lip service on how to behave icon_rolleyes.gif
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3626595


    Why would White, heterosexual, Republican men only make the best bosses? Are you trying to insinuate that's what I think? If so, then you're just showing enormous presumptuousness and stupidity.

    A good manager is someone who can get the results that need and to keep their workers in good, fit working condition. Niceness and friendliness is always good, and I would certainly do that myself, but that's an extra on the side. It is not something that a manager needs to be good at his or her job.
  • tuffguyndc

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    Jan 12, 2014 4:41 AM GMT
    i would have to disagree with you on that one. maybe if its in a straight environment than yes but if its in a gay establishment i will disagree.
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    Jan 12, 2014 4:43 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd said
    scruffLA said
    PolitiNerd saidThis is such crap icon_razz.gif There's no scientific data to back this up and so many gay men are shallow bitches who give not one fuck about anyone but themselves.

    Plus, managers DO need to tell their employees to get over their problems, as long as they are manageable. This whole, 'be nice to everyone and everyone will like me' line of thinking is not good management.



    I guess that is why hetero white republican men make the best bosses, corporate lip service on how to behave icon_rolleyes.gif
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3626595


    Why would White, heterosexual, Republican men only make the best bosses? Are you trying to insinuate that's what I think? If so, then you're just showing enormous presumptuousness and stupidity.


    A good manager is someone who can get the results that need and to keep their workers in good, fit working condition. Niceness and friendliness is always good, and I would certainly do that myself, but that's an extra on the side. It is not something that a manager needs to be good at his or her job.



    Of course its sarcasm, maybe if their were less white hetero male republican bosses and more openly gay bosses there would be less unethical behavior in corporate america, my biggest fear, as in Hollywoods casting couch, gay men as bosses could cave in just as hetero men would and sleep their way to the top, play favoritism but less likely to include nepotism as so many hetero bosses do, the white hetero male boss, especially republican is being squeezed out of corporate in favor of "diversity", I am sure these men are not going out without a fight since they have ruled the corporate world for over a hundred years

    I am sure given the right circumstance, the gay male boss could be just as unethical as a hetero one as most managers seem to have issues with ethics, doing the right thing versus getting bonus checks and looking the other way to increase shareholder value, a manager without profit on the brain, is not an effective one



  • PolitiMAC

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    Jan 12, 2014 4:43 AM GMT
    NotYourAverageJoe said
    PolitiNerd said
    NotYourAverageJoe said
    PolitiNerd saidThis is such crap icon_razz.gif There's no scientific data to back this up and so many gay men are shallow bitches who give not one fuck about anyone but themselves.

    Plus, managers DO need to tell their employees to get over their problems, as long as they are manageable. This whole, 'be nice to everyone and everyone will like me' line of thinking is not good management.


    I haven't read Kirk Snyder's book, but he might disagree with your casual dismissal of his research. Your experience may have led you to think that gay men are shallow, but I'm guessing from your profile that this is based on social interactions.

    Since I have been a manager for almost as long as you have been alive, I hope that my employees can look back at their careers and see the positive influence that I have contributed to their lives. It isn't about being nice as much as it is about recognizing motivations and priorities and respecting people for being deeper than their job.


    I'm not saying a manager should be an awful person, but being a manger is not about being a friend. It's about getting the job done. Of course, I would always hope for a manger to be an approachable and pleasant person.

    I base my statement of many gay men being shallow because...wait for it...

    Many gay men are SHALLOW. And many are not. Just the same with any other human being.

    And why say I "casually dismissed his work"? I don't even know who he is, let alone any supposed research. How am I to know if the research is even good? The logical fallacy of an appeal to authority is a logical fallacy for a reason


    You are correct that a manager has the responsibility to ensure that the work of the business gets accomplished by the employees. You can do it with compassion and reason. My opinion is that the best management style is to understand the people you are working with and use your personal skills as a means to connect and motivate.

    I said that you casually dismissed the research because you did. The author spent five years collecting data. If you didn't read it, how can you have an opinion about it?


    That's correct. I don't have an opinion on it. I didn't bring it up. The whole assertion is fallacious. So many gay men say they're straight in the beginning, so he can't know how many gay men there are to make such an assertion.

    The assertion that gay men somehow have some kind of different thinking because of coming out is ridiculous. The victimisation of gay men as some sort of justification of us being nicer to people is ridiculous. He said this;

    "The reason for this appears to stem from how most gay men grew up and subsequently came out. The constant navigation of social cues in high school to avoid or confront discrimination taught many how to adapt intuitively and be resilient, while the coming out process cemented the security one has in knowing one's self and thus largely don't feel the need to be the cliche asshole boss to assert dominance over others."

    That alone is foolish because it assumes that all gay men or the vast majority had the exact same horrible experience in our younger years. It also implies that straight men are more often than not arseholes.

    Already, the research is about victimising gay men and attacking straight men. So I think it's prudent to take it with a grain of salt.

    ...Maybe a brick of it.
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    Jan 12, 2014 4:44 AM GMT
    I've had females bosses (and mostly female co-workers) all my life.

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  • vindog

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    Jan 12, 2014 4:57 AM GMT
    I have been told I'm "best boss ever" many times.

    Funny as I think my boss is a slave driver jerkace.

    ;-)
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    Jan 12, 2014 6:32 AM GMT
    My two current bosses are gay/lesbian. Out of the 8 jobs I've had, I only feel comfortable at these two positions. Even my straight co-workers think our bosses are the shit.