This Year's Flu Hitting the Young, Healthy

  • Selfie77

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    Jan 12, 2014 4:23 PM GMT
    This Year's Flu Hitting the Young, Healthy


    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/years-flu-hitting-young-healthy/story?id=21490459
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    Jan 13, 2014 4:39 AM GMT
    I don't know that it's relevant to this year's strains, but the most dangerous "bird flu" strains always hit the young and healthy hardest.

    Here's the current theory in a nutshell: Viruses can only enter cells by attaching to specific receptor molecules on specific cells in specific organisms. Usually bird strains can't infect mammals because the receptor molecules are different. The only human cells that produce receptors similar to the bird receptors are deep in the lungs. Only athletes routinely breathe deeply enough to suck airborne virus particles down deep enough to access those cells. Couch potatoes are relatively safe.

    The same thing is true of Hanta (mouse) viruses.
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    Jan 13, 2014 9:07 AM GMT
    See, they should've signed up for Obamacare.

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    Jan 14, 2014 12:29 PM GMT
    HAH, show's what you know. I haven't gotten sick in over a year.

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    Jan 14, 2014 12:32 PM GMT
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    Jan 14, 2014 12:57 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidI don't know that it's relevant to this year's strains, but the most dangerous "bird flu" strains always hit the young and healthy hardest.

    Here's the current theory in a nutshell: Viruses can only enter cells by attaching to specific receptor molecules on specific cells in specific organisms. Usually bird strains can't infect mammals because the receptor molecules are different. The only human cells that produce receptors similar to the bird receptors are deep in the lungs. Only athletes routinely breathe deeply enough to suck airborne virus particles down deep enough to access those cells. Couch potatoes are relatively safe.

    The same thing is true of Hanta (mouse) viruses.


    What I've always heard is that this is caused by a cytokine storm.

    Role in pandemic deaths

    It is believed that cytokine storms were responsible for many of the deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic, which killed a disproportionate number of young adults.[1] In this case, a healthy immune system may have been a liability rather than an asset. Preliminary research results from Hong Kong also indicated this as the probable reason for many deaths during the SARS epidemic in 2003.[8] Human deaths from the bird flu H5N1 usually involve cytokine storms as well.[9] Recent reports of high mortality among healthy young adults in the 2009 swine flu outbreak has led to speculation that cytokine storms could be responsible for these deaths, since the Swine Flu results from the same influenza strain as the Spanish Flu of 1918.[10] However, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have indicated that symptoms reported from this strain so far are similar to those of normal seasonal flu,[11] with the CDC stating that there is "insufficient information to date about clinical complications of this variant of swine-origin influenza A (H1N1) virus infection."[11] Cytokine storm has also been implicated in hantavirus pulmonary syndrome.[12]
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    Jan 14, 2014 1:13 PM GMT
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    Jan 17, 2014 3:17 AM GMT
    michael61 said385313_10151345896253205_2028595625_n.jp


    Then why Are doctors all over the country telling their patients to get the flu shot.
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    Jan 17, 2014 9:37 PM GMT
    The flu hits everybody! That's NOT anything new!
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    Jan 17, 2014 9:59 PM GMT
    bachian said
    mindgarden saidI don't know that it's relevant to this year's strains, but the most dangerous "bird flu" strains always hit the young and healthy hardest.

    Here's the current theory in a nutshell: Viruses can only enter cells by attaching to specific receptor molecules on specific cells in specific organisms. Usually bird strains can't infect mammals because the receptor molecules are different. The only human cells that produce receptors similar to the bird receptors are deep in the lungs. Only athletes routinely breathe deeply enough to suck airborne virus particles down deep enough to access those cells. Couch potatoes are relatively safe.

    The same thing is true of Hanta (mouse) viruses.


    What I've always heard is that this is caused by a cytokine storm.

    Role in pandemic deaths

    It is believed that cytokine storms were responsible for many of the deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic, which killed a disproportionate number of young adults.[1] In this case, a healthy immune system may have been a liability rather than an asset. Preliminary research results from Hong Kong also indicated this as the probable reason for many deaths during the SARS epidemic in 2003.[8] Human deaths from the bird flu H5N1 usually involve cytokine storms as well.[9] Recent reports of high mortality among healthy young adults in the 2009 swine flu outbreak has led to speculation that cytokine storms could be responsible for these deaths, since the Swine Flu results from the same influenza strain as the Spanish Flu of 1918.[10] However, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have indicated that symptoms reported from this strain so far are similar to those of normal seasonal flu,[11] with the CDC stating that there is "insufficient information to date about clinical complications of this variant of swine-origin influenza A (H1N1) virus infection."[11] Cytokine storm has also been implicated in hantavirus pulmonary syndrome.[12]


    These are plausible stories (and might even both be correct) but doing the controlled experiments to test them is generally considered unethical, outside of nazi concentration camps anyway.
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    Jan 18, 2014 2:17 AM GMT
    YourName2000 saidI think I got the H1N1 (and am now coming out of it.) Something kicked my ass worse than any flu I've had in at least a decade. The headache was unbearable, body pains all over...awful.

    Take care of yourselves, guys!

    I wondered if I got it, too. For about 3 days in December I suddenly had very bad muscle pain. It was difficult to sit, like somebody had literally kicked my very sore ass, and other major muscles also ached like Hell. But there were no bruises or rashes, and I didn't have any kind of accident or injury. I NEVER get anything like that.

    But I had no other flu symptoms, no fever, nothing except maybe being a bit tired. I suspect I had a mild form of this flu, which didn't get worse because I had the flu shot in September. The flu shot doesn't protect you 100%, but it may make the symptoms milder if you do catch it.

    My husband & I always have the annual shot, we are in the older demographic that can more easily die from the flu. And we intend to continue getting it, along with the pneumonia vaccine. It never gives us side effects (that was more common 30 years ago), I can't imagine why anyone would fail to get it.
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    Jan 18, 2014 4:02 PM GMT
    HPgeek934 said
    michael61 said385313_10151345896253205_2028595625_n.jp


    Then why Are doctors all over the country telling their patients to get the flu shot.


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    Jan 21, 2014 5:09 AM GMT
    Do some research rather than depend on an internet meme. The problem is Novartis, an American company. Look it up.

    ..and do not over vaccinate. Up here we were told by a doctor that our H1N1 resistance from shots years ago were likely no longer effective as the bug has mutated. However he did say that we still had some resistance, so we're not bothering. Currently there are over 250 people on ventilators in Alberta alone. Young and healthy - age range 24 to 64 years old, no flu shot.

    While I think caution is good, I think that few of you would risk the diseases that vaccines cover when travelling globally.




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    Jan 21, 2014 5:29 AM GMT
    currently dealing w the flu
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    Jan 21, 2014 3:40 PM GMT

    Question: If the vaccine is so dangerous, why are so many doctors getting vaccinated?

    -intrigued
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    Jan 24, 2014 4:06 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    Question: If the vaccine is so dangerous, why are so many doctors getting vaccinated?

    -intrigued


    Because they are doctors and they work around ill people all day, and want to cut down on the risk of getting ill people more ill.

    I had got something that I'm pretty sure was the flu earlier this month. But, I shook it off and got right back to business.
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    Jan 25, 2014 5:01 PM GMT
    So far, so good for me!
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    Feb 02, 2014 8:27 AM GMT
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/toxic-myths-about-vaccines/
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    Feb 02, 2014 4:12 PM GMT
    bluefornobody2 said
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/toxic-myths-about-vaccines/


    Is the H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Safe?
    H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine Safety: Hype, Myths, and Facts
    http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/features/is-the-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-safe

    2013-2014 Seasonal Influenza Vaccine Safety
    http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/general.htm