Dad's texting to daughter sparks argument, fatal shooting in movie theater

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    Jan 14, 2014 9:45 AM GMT
    Did this man deserve to die? texting rage?

    I am just shaking my head at this one, americans killing someone whos annoying, just because they are annoying?
    I am just speechless, I am hating america icon_twisted.gif


    http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/13/justice/florida-movie-theater-shooting/
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  • PolitiMAC

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    Jan 14, 2014 12:11 PM GMT
    Although I know everyone is going to blame the gun for the crime, even though it is but a tool, I'll still say that this is not representative of the vast majority of people who own a firearm in America.

    Oh, and Aristoshark? I can remain knowledgeable of this debate regardless of where I am in this world.

    There are plenty of other countries, some in Scandinavia I believe, that have the same rules of firearm ownership that the US does, yet they don't have people dying every single day in massacre levels. A cultural difference is certainly something that is there and something that could be addressed in the US.

    Take a tool away, and another will replace it. Soon enough, people will demand knives be childproofed.

    Now, of course, the argument will come forth that a gun can kill much more people far quicker, which is potentially true, depending on who wields it.

    However, the amount of people who use it responsibly for protection has saved thousands of lives, if not more over time.

    Make them illegal, criminals will have a field day! No resistance will exist from the victims and a lot of people would die.

    Prohibition never works properly, especially in the US's case, where it has been the norm for so long, to change it now would have a rather large set of ramifications I believe.
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    Jan 14, 2014 12:49 PM GMT
    This is not about guns, this is about anger and serious confusion about what it is to be a man. Being so empty of confidence in oneself that you would take this man texting as a personal affront and a level of disrespect that requires killing him. This is a lack of "manhood" not a demonstration of macho agression. Also it seems to me that life is not valued very highly by an increasing number of young people. I know this will be misunderstood, but I am not looking for a big debate.
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    Jan 14, 2014 1:27 PM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidAlthough I know everyone is going to blame the gun for the crime, even though it is but a tool, I'll still say that this is not representative of the vast majority of people who own a firearm in America.

    Oh, and Aristoshark? I can remain knowledgeable of this debate regardless of where I am in this world.

    There are plenty of other countries, some in Scandinavia I believe, that have the same rules of firearm ownership that the US does, yet they don't have people dying every single day in massacre levels. A cultural difference is certainly something that is there and something that could be addressed in the US.

    Take a tool away, and another will replace it. Soon enough, people will demand knives be childproofed.

    Now, of course, the argument will come forth that a gun can kill much more people far quicker, which is potentially true, depending on who wields it.

    However, the amount of people who use it responsibly for protection has saved thousands of lives, if not more over time.

    Make them illegal, criminals will have a field day! No resistance will exist from the victims and a lot of people would die.

    Prohibition never works properly, especially in the US's case, where it has been the norm for so long, to change it now would have a rather large set of ramifications I believe.

    Some flaws here in your thinkingā€¦

    I'll agree it doesn't represent a majority, but it represents a significant amount when compared to other countries. As for the knife comparison? No. A knife will NEVER kill more people more quickly. You have to be able to kill on first strike, near instantly, and do so to multiple people consecutively. Unlike a gun, you are also an active part of the act with a knife because it's your bodily force driving the weapon into a person (with a gun, you only pull a trigger). A gun allows you to play a mere passive role (there is a distance between you and the target) and thus there is less to discourage you from taking another person's life. This should be common senseā€¦

    The argument re: criminals is also tired. Does this story involve criminals? Did Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman involve criminals? (one could argue Zimmerman is one based on his past/present, but we won't go there) Did Sandy Hook? How about Aurora at the theatre? The LA airport shooting? The Aussie baseball player in Oklahoma out on a jog? I can go on and on and you'll see a common trend: no criminals involved, and ordinary Americans proving time and time again that they are incapable of being responsible with firearms (either in wielding them or appropriately securing them away from others' accessibility). You also never see headlines like this: "Masked criminal guns down 53 civilians". That's a fable propagated as a result of superhero and action/thriller movies. Life's not like Batman's in Gotham City.

    Yes, a gun is a tool. However, it is a tool designed specifically for killing. A knife is not.

    As for arguing against change because something has been "normal" for so long, need I point out the obvious? Being gay was a CRIME and prosecution was "normal". Being black and enslaved by white people was "normal". Who gives a fuck if people don't like change? Sometimes it is necessary. How many more everyday people have to be needlessly killed by non-criminals before some tangible measures of change are put in place? (that doesn't mean complete prohibition, it means exactly what I wrote: tangible measures of change) America really ought to stop policing the world and instead focus efforts on itself...
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    Jan 14, 2014 2:15 PM GMT
    The shooter was a retired police officer, and under very strict gun control laws, would probably still have been allowed to carry.

    "Doug Tobin, a spokesman for the Pasco Sheriff's Office, said the shooter, identified by local media as 71-year-old Curtis Reeves, was waiting for the film to begin with his wife when they got into an argument with another couple in the row of seats directly in front during the previews.

    Reeves retired from the Tampa Police Department on Sept. 30, 1993. He also served as security director at Busch Gardens until 2005, according to the Tamp Tribune."
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    Jan 14, 2014 8:19 PM GMT
    Another Florida incident.

    Why are there so many angry people in Florida? What is it there that makes people lose it so easily?
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    Jan 14, 2014 8:30 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidAnother Florida incident.

    Why are there so many angry people in Florida? What is it there that makes people lose it so easily?
    They're not angry. They're crazy. Must be something in the water.
  • Lincsbear

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    Jan 14, 2014 8:37 PM GMT
    It`s shocking how routine these random killings are. I`m not surprised.

    I think it`s to do with the rush and stress of modern life; something that technology like texting may be implicated in; and the growth of anti-social, hyper-individualism in the USA, that sees an argument over such a triviality raised to the level of life and death.
  • thadjock

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    Jan 14, 2014 9:31 PM GMT
    it's florida, he'll be acquitted on the "stand your ground" statute. he was in mortal fear of his life when the popcorn was thrown, in stand your ground cases u don't have to see a weapon u just have to believe he's trying to kill u.

    maybe he can find a condo next to zimmerman. although the old white retired cop would probably shoot zimmerman for being a dirty $$)#(%*

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    Jan 14, 2014 11:23 PM GMT
    strongbull saidThis is not about guns, this is about anger and serious confusion about what it is to be a man. Being so empty of confidence in oneself that you would take this man texting as a personal affront and a level of disrespect that requires killing him. This is a lack of "manhood" not a demonstration of macho agression. Also it seems to me that life is not valued very highly by an increasing number of young people. I know this will be misunderstood, but I am not looking for a big debate.


    OK, I originally heard about this at another forum and it was portrayed differently as a "macho with a handgun" issue, but that was all bs. A retired cop! Sad, sad, sad.
  • thadjock

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    Jan 14, 2014 11:55 PM GMT
    strongbull said

    OK, I originally heard about this at another forum and it was portrayed differently as a "macho with a handgun" issue, but that was all bs. A retired cop! Sad, sad, sad.


    I think he was also a Vietnam Vet? Maybe he had some kind of Popcorn PTSD flashback.

    The Legal defense options for this client would be limitless. and the opportunity to milk the empathy cow too good to resist.

    He'll walk. Even with mediocre counsel.
  • thadjock

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    Jan 15, 2014 8:25 PM GMT
    kiwiLifter saidThat texter was an arrogant jerk. Breaking the rules, throwing stuff at someone who dared call him on it.

    The old boy went looking for management and what did they do?


    is txt'ing really the worst thing that people do to annoy you in a movie theater? it's like a non issue for me, what about the moron who's eating a big plate of steaming nachos that the theater sold to him? smells like dog vomit and he's crunching away like a massive beaver. or the people who just talk all the way through, or the woman who's constantly getting up to go to the bathroom and having to walk past u? going to a film at a public theater is a communal experience, if you don't like the crowd get your money back and go somewhere else. you don't shoot somebody for texting during the previews.

    And at any rate if that's the tipping point for the old man, then he's got anger management/mental issues and shouldn't have a weapon in the first place. maybe he didn't go out to complain to management maybe he went to the car to get his gun.

    You can relax though , he'll get a suspended sentence with probation, no time served. It's florida, he's already a hero there.
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    Jan 15, 2014 9:39 PM GMT
    kiwiLifter saidThat texter was an arrogant jerk. Breaking the rules, throwing stuff at someone who dared call him on it.

    The old boy went looking for management and what did they do?

    The selfishness, narcissism and disregard for others I observe by so many idiots out in public I am not in the least surprised when someone snaps. icon_rolleyes.gif

    A lot of people seem addicted to their electronic gadgets, endlessly txt and talking - like the muppets on the bus having loud personal conversations on their mobile, the moronic conversations and prittle prattle or foul mouthed trash talking they engage in.



    yeah those good ole boys in prison can't wait to spread his dumb ass cop ass cheeks open
  • thadjock

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    Jan 15, 2014 10:00 PM GMT
    kiwiLifter said

    thadjock, maybe that is the way you behave, but doing so has the potential to bring a whole lot of trouble your way. icon_wink.gif





    the old man's response was stupid and ridiculous. he comes from a lifetime career in law enforcement for Christ's sake. did all that expert training and life experience not supply him with any skills to mitigate a piffling disagreement in a movie theater, besides drawing a weapon?

    high praise to the off duty Sumpter county officer sitting nearby who kept his head and grabbed the gun and subdued the shooter.

    the latest: the old man was denied bail, his defense has been denied "stand your ground" status, and he will face 2nd deg murder, which carries a max sentence of life in prison.

    "At the hearing on Tuesday, the court heard that Reeves had allegedly confronted a woman at a movie theater last month.
    The judge was told that after hearing about the shooting on the news, a woman had contacted police to say Reeves had told her off for texting when she was watching a film on December 28.
    Although she didn't make a complaint at the time, the woman claimed Reeves had 'glared at her the entire time throughout the movie and afterwards' even following her to the rest room at one point.
    A neighbor, Matthew Harris, told the Tampa Bay Times that Reeves had confronted him about 18 months ago for having his car stereo too loud.
    'He kind of snapped at me at first, but then he calmed down,' Mr Harris said, adding that Reeves had told him he used to be in the police."

    the angry old bastard should fry.


  • HottJoe

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    Jan 15, 2014 10:27 PM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidAlthough I know everyone is going to blame the gun for the crime, even though it is but a tool, I'll still say that this is not representative of the vast majority of people who own a firearm in America.

    Oh, and Aristoshark? I can remain knowledgeable of this debate regardless of where I am in this world.

    There are plenty of other countries, some in Scandinavia I believe, that have the same rules of firearm ownership that the US does, yet they don't have people dying every single day in massacre levels. A cultural difference is certainly something that is there and something that could be addressed in the US.

    Take a tool away, and another will replace it. Soon enough, people will demand knives be childproofed.

    Now, of course, the argument will come forth that a gun can kill much more people far quicker, which is potentially true, depending on who wields it.

    However, the amount of people who use it responsibly for protection has saved thousands of lives, if not more over time.

    Make them illegal, criminals will have a field day! No resistance will exist from the victims and a lot of people would die.

    Prohibition never works properly, especially in the US's case, where it has been the norm for so long, to change it now would have a rather large set of ramifications I believe.

    I take you'd be okay with coming to America and getting shot for breaking movie theater etiquette?icon_rolleyes.gif
  • PolitiMAC

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    Jan 15, 2014 11:12 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    PolitiNerd saidAlthough I know everyone is going to blame the gun for the crime, even though it is but a tool, I'll still say that this is not representative of the vast majority of people who own a firearm in America.

    Oh, and Aristoshark? I can remain knowledgeable of this debate regardless of where I am in this world.

    There are plenty of other countries, some in Scandinavia I believe, that have the same rules of firearm ownership that the US does, yet they don't have people dying every single day in massacre levels. A cultural difference is certainly something that is there and something that could be addressed in the US.

    Take a tool away, and another will replace it. Soon enough, people will demand knives be childproofed.

    Now, of course, the argument will come forth that a gun can kill much more people far quicker, which is potentially true, depending on who wields it.

    However, the amount of people who use it responsibly for protection has saved thousands of lives, if not more over time.

    Make them illegal, criminals will have a field day! No resistance will exist from the victims and a lot of people would die.

    Prohibition never works properly, especially in the US's case, where it has been the norm for so long, to change it now would have a rather large set of ramifications I believe.

    I take you'd be okay with coming to America and getting shot for breaking movie theater etiquette?icon_rolleyes.gif


    No, why would I want to do that?
  • thadjock

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    Jan 15, 2014 11:18 PM GMT
    kiwiLifter said

    There you go, several cases of obnoxious jerks brought an old guy to boiling point.



    u should join defense counsel.

    I'm sure they're working on a mental defect case right now.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 15, 2014 11:45 PM GMT
    PolitiNerd said
    HottJoe said
    PolitiNerd saidAlthough I know everyone is going to blame the gun for the crime, even though it is but a tool, I'll still say that this is not representative of the vast majority of people who own a firearm in America.

    Oh, and Aristoshark? I can remain knowledgeable of this debate regardless of where I am in this world.

    There are plenty of other countries, some in Scandinavia I believe, that have the same rules of firearm ownership that the US does, yet they don't have people dying every single day in massacre levels. A cultural difference is certainly something that is there and something that could be addressed in the US.

    Take a tool away, and another will replace it. Soon enough, people will demand knives be childproofed.

    Now, of course, the argument will come forth that a gun can kill much more people far quicker, which is potentially true, depending on who wields it.

    However, the amount of people who use it responsibly for protection has saved thousands of lives, if not more over time.

    Make them illegal, criminals will have a field day! No resistance will exist from the victims and a lot of people would die.

    Prohibition never works properly, especially in the US's case, where it has been the norm for so long, to change it now would have a rather large set of ramifications I believe.

    I take you'd be okay with coming to America and getting shot for breaking movie theater etiquette?icon_rolleyes.gif


    No, why would I want to do that?

    I just think you're a troll for using a tragic story as an opportunity to push your pro-gun politics. I'm assuming that if you came to the US and got killed by a stray bullet that others just like you will not care that you are dead, and they will say not to blame the gun, etc.... It must be nice to sit in your country and push pro guns on another country, where you don't have to worry about the consequences.
  • Apparition

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    Jan 16, 2014 6:06 AM GMT
    why on earth do they not put earphone jacks into movie seats? It would cost what. 5-6$ a seat? Even if they put them in one side or something, all the talkers could do what they want then.
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    Jan 16, 2014 7:53 AM GMT
    Apparition saidwhy on earth do they not put earphone jacks into movie seats? It would cost what. 5-6$ a seat? Even if they put them in one side or something, all the talkers could do what they want then.



    recognize these?, at least back then, people were honest enough to put the speakers back on the stand when they left, in todays theft appropriate world, earphone jacks would be stolen by the quick hand fulls, icon_lol.gif

    when the drive ins closed for good, that is when you cut the cord and took the speaker as a collectors item icon_lol.gif

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