Another Barbarian African Country Adopts Anti-Gay Laws

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    Jan 14, 2014 5:02 PM GMT
    This time it's Nigeria.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25728845

    At least the UK wants to cut aid to the anti-gay countries. The US should also (but is instead probably increasing aid as these acts continue).
    http://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/uk-to-cut-aid-to-anti-gay-countries.htm
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    Jan 14, 2014 5:13 PM GMT
    Looks like Ethiopa is next:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/03/ethiopian-evangelists-death-penalty-homosexuals_n_3208972.html
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    Jan 14, 2014 5:35 PM GMT
    Seems like Blacks all over the world hate gays. What's up with that?
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    Jan 14, 2014 7:55 PM GMT
    These countries are oppressive, brutal dictatorships. So what else is newicon_question.gif
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    Jan 14, 2014 8:18 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThese countries are oppressive, brutal dictatorships. So what else is newicon_question.gif

    No, these countries - Nigeria, Uganda, and Ethiopia are democracies. Just not civilized.
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    HikerSkier saidLooks like Ethiopa is next:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/03/ethiopian-evangelists-death-penalty-homosexuals_n_3208972.html


    When Ethiopia has its next famine, instead of giving aid, how about a blockade, to help them starve faster?
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    Jan 14, 2014 8:24 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidAs reported, these countries are being advised by fundamentalist churches from the US.

    Nothing like religion. How beautiful christianity is (not that islam is any better).
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    Jan 14, 2014 8:36 PM GMT
    HikerSkier said
    woodsmen saidAs reported, these countries are being advised by fundamentalist churches from the US.

    Nothing like religion. How beautiful christianity is (not that islam is any better).
    As usual, the NARROW MINDED BIBLE THUMPING SCREWBALLS have pretty much lost the cultural war in the US so they are taking their shitty, horrendous act and infesting most of these undereducated, underdeveloped African countries with their ignorance and hatred.
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    Jan 14, 2014 9:02 PM GMT
    Beneath a veneer of modern democracy, many of these countries are highly traditional and tribal societies, with matching religious views, etc. The sense of individual rights and philosophy is poorly developed or lacking.

    The same can be said in countries like Afghanistan and Iraq, despite western interference.

    The influence of American Protestant evangelicals doesn`t help, either.
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    Jan 15, 2014 1:01 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidSeems like Blacks all over the world hate gays. What's up with that?


    Black is beautiful .
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    Jan 15, 2014 2:31 AM GMT
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    Scruffypup saidSeems like Blacks all over the world hate gays. What's up with that?


    i knew someone would come and say this and guess who said it too. mr. kkk himself.



    You better watch who you slander. Criticism of a race in no way makes a person a racist, so watch your step. I defend you and other Black people all the time from real racists. You're a fool if you deny reality. Blacks in the U.S. are homophobic as shit and now they're going to join forces with those in Africa, and just you watch what happens in the next few years. You're about to see a war against gays and it will come from the Black community. Wait and see.
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    Jan 15, 2014 5:11 AM GMT
    Personally, I am noticing a serious trend in predominantly black countries and communities in regards to homophobia.

    Most Black people hate gay people, even persons who are black and gay, hate themselves and hate their fellow black gay brothers.

    You can't leave it at though, you have to find out, why is that the case:

    - Christian Church
    - British Colonial rule/buggery laws
    - The idea that the 'white man' is a witch
    - Homosexuality is a Western import.

    I believe I am entitled say this since I am black and live in a predominantly black, God fearing country where every facet of society base everything according to the bible and for where every square mile there is a church.

    The thing is, the homophobia in black people seems so genetic to me, even the most educated, cultured, westernized black person here can be very homophobic. I wonder why though? I can pinpoint some things like the aforementioned in addition to

    - machismo ideal that is so respected in my culture
    - the single parent homes where a lot of black men are raised by mothers who were not even married to their father
    - the lack of the father in the home
    - the idea that being a man means impregnating a woman,
    - having lots of children by different women to prove your heterosexuality.

    At the same time, what I have noticed, its the black countries that are less prosperous. My country for instance is in a shitty state, the economy is bad, wage freezes, cost of living rising everyday, lot of uneducated youth, lack of job opportunities for those who go Uni. Yet the politicians and pastors will preach, as long as you love God and hate gay people, everything will be alright, yet you read the papers and hear about the amount of people who are ready to leave the country and go the Western, Whiteman Gay countries such as the US, UK and Canada.

    Yet, these are the same black hypocrites who curse out gays every chance they get, but would not give up the opportunity go work where gays most exist. I know an ancillary worker right now, uneducated, homophobic, womanizing (but oh so God damn sexy with his rippling muscles) who constantly curse the gays, but pray every day to go live and work amongst the ungodly.

    The sad thing is, this is the reality in not only Jamaica, but pretty much all predominantly black countries.
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    Jan 15, 2014 5:32 AM GMT
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    PaulDee saidPersonally, I am noticing a serious trend in predominantly black countries and communities in regards to homophobia.

    Most Black people hate gay people, even persons who are black and gay, hate themselves and hate their fellow black gay brothers.

    You can't leave it at though, you have to find out, why is that the case:

    - Christian Church
    - British Colonial rule/buggery laws
    - The idea that the 'white man' is a witch
    - Homosexuality is a Western import.

    I believe I am entitled say this since I am black and live in a predominantly black, God fearing country where every facet of society base everything according to the bible and for where every square mile there is a church.

    The thing is, the homophobia in black people seems so genetic to me, even the most educated, cultured, westernized black person here can be very homophobic. I wonder why though? I can pinpoint some things like the aforementioned in addition to

    - machismo ideal that is so respected in my culture
    - the single parent homes where a lot of black men are raised by mothers who were not even married to their father
    - the lack of the father in the home
    - the idea that being a man means impregnating a woman,
    - having lots of children by different women to prove your heterosexuality.

    At the same time, what I have noticed, its the black countries that are less prosperous. My country for instance is in a shitty state, the economy is bad, wage freezes, cost of living rising everyday, lot of uneducated youth, lack of job opportunities for those who go Uni. Yet the politicians and pastors will preach, as long as you love God and hate gay people, everything will be alright, yet you read the papers and hear about the amount of people who are ready to leave the country and go the Western, Whiteman Gay countries such as the US, UK and Canada.

    Yet, these are the same black hypocrites who curse out gays every chance they get, but would not give up the opportunity go work where gays most exist. I know an ancillary worker right now, uneducated, homophobic, womanizing (but oh so God damn sexy with his rippling muscles) who constantly curse the gays, but pray every day to go live and work amongst the ungodly.

    The sad thing is, this is the reality in not only Jamaica, but pretty much all predominantly black countries.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory

    most of the world is homophobic. it's NOT a black or white thing. it's just people being ignorant. there's only like a few countries that provide us lgbtq folks with our full rights since gays having civil rights is sadly, a new concept that only emerged in the last 50 years.


    Funny. A Black man says the same thing I said, and you didn't accuse him of being in the KKK. You responded to him in a civil manner. You're an enormous hypocrite.
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    ikilledcaptainplanet said
    PaulDee said
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory

    most of the world is homophobic. it's NOT a black or white thing. it's just people being ignorant. there's only like a few countries that provide us lgbtq folks with our full rights since gays having civil rights is sadly, a new concept that only emerged in the last 50 years.


    38 African countries criminalize homosexuality, that is 38 predominantly black countries and we have not even gone into the Caribbean yet which is also predominantly black and also criminalizes homosexuality.

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    PaulDee said
    ikilledcaptainplanet said
    PaulDee said
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory

    most of the world is homophobic. it's NOT a black or white thing. it's just people being ignorant. there's only like a few countries that provide us lgbtq folks with our full rights since gays having civil rights is sadly, a new concept that only emerged in the last 50 years.


    38 African countries criminalize homosexuality, that is 38 predominantly black countries and we have not even gone into the Caribbean yet which is also predominantly black and also criminalizes homosexuality.



    What do think the cause is? Aside from religion that is.
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    Jan 15, 2014 6:45 AM GMT
    This is a most disturbing trend. The article below the main one from 2011 about British aid being cut for these countries was especially hopeful however.

    Gay rights, like marrying for love instead of as a business transaction, is a relatively new concept for the world. We're still figuring it out.

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    Jan 15, 2014 6:51 AM GMT
    IzzyMusc saidThis is a most disturbing trend. The article below the main one from 2011 about British aid being cut for these countries was especially hopeful however.

    Gay right, like marrying for love instead of as a business transaction, is a relatively new concept for the world. We're still figuring it out.


    Who's talking gay rights? The right just to be left alone (and not be imprisoned or killed) would satisfy most.
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    Jan 15, 2014 7:07 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]Scruffypup said[/cite]
    PaulDee said
    ikilledcaptainplanet said
    PaulDee said
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory

    most of the world is homophobic. it's NOT a black or white thing. it's just people being ignorant. there's only like a few countries that provide us lgbtq folks with our full rights since gays having civil rights is sadly, a new concept that only emerged in the last 50 years.


    38 African countries criminalize homosexuality, that is 38 predominantly black countries and we have not even gone into the Caribbean yet which is also predominantly black and also criminalizes homosexuality.



    This is a conversation to be had over a beer versus on a forum lol. But from what I see the lack of: education, exposure, and economic mobility are the biggest culprits. Look at what's happened in the US in the last 2 years. The support for gay marriage amongst blacks has reversed and now hovers above 50% in many polls. You have black pastors and politicians openly debating for and against gay rights. That never happened in this volume before. Most of that is due to education and exposure (more people coming out, more publicity about the debates and controversies and activism) and the fact that many can afford to move away from their families to cities that are more accepting. That hasn't happened in these African countries and many of the leaders are putting in extreme laws to prevent the global trend towards acceptance from affecting their country.
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    Jan 15, 2014 7:51 AM GMT
    To be fair, I think it's appropriate that we realize that LGBT rights is more of a Western thing for the most part and most non-Western countries in general are far behind us in that department. Look at Russia, most of the MIddle-East outside Israel, and other parts of the world that is more or less Westernized (there are exceptions, but I'm not going to sit here and name countries and their statuses).

    To say that black people are "just genetically that way " and there's nothing we can do about it is a very defeatest (spelling) standpoint, and is nothing but a statement of opinion (And this is coming from a hardcore pessimist). And it's wrong to say that when there are whole other groups of people the same way.

    We also need to realize that there are black gays as well. We exist. It wasn't brought up in this thread, but I remember it was either here or another gay forum where a participant said that he would never extend his hand to a gay black person because their communities and countries are homophobic as hell. The logic here there was lacking of course.
    I must admit that within the gay black community, we do have some issues to work out. I personally think that there are a lot of factors involved, both self-inficted and from the outside. This includes religious views that may seem backwards (some blacks believe literal translations of the bible), as well as certain problems that seem to get advertised in the black and mainstream media as normal and okay. What we see on BET doesn't represent me, for example, or my situation. We need to tackle these problems one at a time and surround homophobia in the black community and then attack it's center. I don't feel as though a father being present has anything at all to do with it.

    Oddly enough, where I'm originally from (a small town in North-East Tennessee), these problems are common within the white population too, scratch the media representation. Often, when a hate crime happens around the areas where I live, nobody says a damn thing about, and this is a predominantly white area.

    Btw, I had to laugh out loud at the statement that Black Americans were going to go over there and support the African governments in torturing gays. HOW do you think they are going to do that? I don't see a bunch of Black Americans paying money to go over to Africa to torture gays....lol. Also, there isn't going to be a war within the gay community based on race, because honestly outside of forums, I see very little interaction anyway between gay black men and gay white men. They barely even speak to each other it seems, let alone fight each other....maybe an internet fight or something over rude profiles or something but that's it. Other than that, I really see no evidence that there's going to be a race war within the gay community. The existence of a gay community can be debated as well in some sense...but I won't get into that here.

    As for Africa, all I can do is lend my heart-filled support to the gays in Africa, as well as the ones in the middle east and in Russia. DON'T GIVE UP, KEEP FIGHTING! That's all I can say. Most countries have had their struggles in the past, Africa and the Carribean need to have theirs. But they need to fend for themeselves. I agree that the US needs to stop giving so much aide to countries...period. But again, that's another topic. If there was a way to help them more I totally could. But as I said earlier, there is not much difference discrimination-wise around here when it comes between white gay families and black gay families, at least I don't think so. The problem in Africa is that many of the countries are too multicultural, too religious, and have too many social problems that seem to spill over each other. They have to find the time to fix their own problems, simple as that. Social movements need to happen within, from the people of the country, because they are the only one's that understand their countrymen.
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    Jan 15, 2014 7:56 AM GMT
    Myol said[quote][cite]Scruffypup said[/cite]
    PaulDee said
    ikilledcaptainplanet said
    PaulDee said
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory

    most of the world is homophobic. it's NOT a black or white thing. it's just people being ignorant. there's only like a few countries that provide us lgbtq folks with our full rights since gays having civil rights is sadly, a new concept that only emerged in the last 50 years.


    38 African countries criminalize homosexuality, that is 38 predominantly black countries and we have not even gone into the Caribbean yet which is also predominantly black and also criminalizes homosexuality.



    This is a conversation to be had over a beer versus on a forum lol. But from what I see the lack of: education, exposure, and economic mobility are the biggest culprits. Look at what's happened in the US in the last 2 years. The support for gay marriage amongst blacks has reversed and now hovers above 50% in many polls. You have black pastors and politicians openly debating for and against gay rights. That never happened in this volume before. Most of that is due to education and exposure (more people coming out, more publicity about the debates and controversies and activism) and the fact that many can afford to move away from their families to cities that are more accepting. That hasn't happened in these African countries and many of the leaders are putting in extreme laws to prevent the global trend towards acceptance from affecting their country.


    There have been advances in the recent years, and black Americans are definantly talking about it more. But this takes time, it can't happen overnight. A black American issue being addressed and discussed among black Americans, an example of a community addressing it's own problems that only they can generally understand.
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    Scruffypup saidSeems like Blacks all over the world hate gays. What's up with that?


    i knew someone would come and say this and guess who said it too. mr. kkk himself.



    You better watch who you slander. Criticism of a race in no way makes a person a racist, so watch your step. I defend you and other Black people all the time from real racists. You're a fool if you deny reality. Blacks in the U.S. are homophobic as shit and now they're going to join forces with those in Africa, and just you watch what happens in the next few years. You're about to see a war against gays and it will come from the Black community. Wait and see.


    huh what?
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    Jan 15, 2014 8:08 AM GMT
    Most of you are totally insane. I read the post, and I just wonder what planet you're on, because surely it can't be the same one as me. Oh lord! Please don't let it be the same one as me!
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    Scruffypup said
    PaulDee said
    ikilledcaptainplanet said
    PaulDee said
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory

    most of the world is homophobic. it's NOT a black or white thing. it's just people being ignorant. there's only like a few countries that provide us lgbtq folks with our full rights since gays having civil rights is sadly, a new concept that only emerged in the last 50 years.


    38 African countries criminalize homosexuality, that is 38 predominantly black countries and we have not even gone into the Caribbean yet which is also predominantly black and also criminalizes homosexuality.



    What do think the cause is? Aside from religion that is.


    Based on my personal observations, its similar to a child or even a grown adult refusing to accept they are wrong, even when they know they are. Its a case of, we are in too deep already (maybe), so even if we are on the wrong side of history, lets just continue.

    It will always go back to religion though, a lot of persons especially in the black community love to quote Leviticus and the fairytale from the bible about God creating Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. So, a lot of persons in the black community will always say they are following the word of God, because they fear Gods wrath.

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    Jan 15, 2014 1:17 PM GMT
    HikerSkier saidThis time it's Nigeria.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25728845

    At least the UK wants to cut aid to the anti-gay countries. The US should also (but is instead probably increasing aid as these acts continue).
    http://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/uk-to-cut-aid-to-anti-gay-countries.htm


    The Same Sex Marriage Prohibition Act, passed by the Nigerian Parliament and signed into law by President Goodluck Jonathan, is a travesty of justice and democracy. Indeed, there is nothing right about the law.

    But that does not justify your racist depiction of Nigeria and other African countries as barbaric. If having unjust laws that infringe the civil rights of anyone makes a country barbaric, then the United States is also barbaric many times over. After all, here in the United States, white police officers still gun black men like animals and walk free under our laws. Also, racial minorities too often receive harsher penalties than whites for the same offenses under our laws.

    Condemnation of unjust laws is right. So is speaking up when the rights of others are trampled upon. But spewing bigoted garbage in the name of civil rights protest is wrong. Check yourself!
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    Jan 15, 2014 2:24 PM GMT
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    woodsmen saidAs reported, these countries are being advised by fundamentalist churches from the US.

    Nothing like religion. How beautiful christianity is (not that islam is any better).
    As usual, the NARROW MINDED BIBLE THUMPING SCREWBALLS have pretty much lost the cultural war in the US so they are taking their shitty, horrendous act and infesting most of these undereducated, underdeveloped African countries with their ignorance and hatred.


    Word.

    US laws were quite barbarian just 12 years ago. In 19 states, it was a felony to have gay sex. Even today, 30 states have laws against gay marriage on their state constitution.

    Just because they are black doesnt make them barbarian.

    South Africa was the first country in the world to have a constitution that enshrined gay equality.