Detroit and and revitalization and redevelopment of the Packard plant

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    Jan 15, 2014 7:43 PM GMT
    http://www.freep.com/article/20140112/BUSINESS06/301120085/Packard-Plant-Fernando-Palazuelo-visits-Detroit-auto-show

    Lots of potential here. Can he pull it off?

    "The Spanish-born developer plans to spend his time networking with industry executives and aggressively pitching his vision for redeveloping the 40-acre site with modern factory space to attract auto suppliers and other manufacturers back to Detroit."
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    Jan 15, 2014 7:48 PM GMT
    I think what he has planned is very much like the architecturally similar Ford Plant in the Arts District east of downtown.

    http://www.cbre.us/o/losangelesdt/properties/ford-motor-factory/Pages/ford-motor-factory.aspx

    And no, this isn't my listing .... wish it was.
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    Jan 15, 2014 7:59 PM GMT
    http://www.freep.com/article/20140114/COL46/301140042/packard-plant-Fernando-Palazuelo-Allan-Hill-peru-ruins
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    Jan 15, 2014 8:03 PM GMT
    http://www.freep.com/videonetwork/2003420229001/Packard-plant
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    Jan 16, 2014 1:19 AM GMT
    Ill be watching this story for the next few years. I wont get my hopes up though, lets just say im cautiously optimistic. With the pace of downtown development in the last 3 years it has me thinking that the ball has started to roll on all of this.
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    Jan 16, 2014 5:32 AM GMT
    lookinforcars101 saidIll be watching this story for the next few years. I wont get my hopes up though, lets just say im cautiously optimistic. With the pace of downtown development in the last 3 years it has me thinking that the ball has started to roll on all of this.


    I just hope that this is my last year of 'ruins' photography.

    We need a couple inches of snow by Friday afternoon so it looks really desolate and lonely. Hopefully, by next year at this time they have most of the junk cleaned up.
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    Jan 17, 2014 12:54 PM GMT
    I really hope this works! Detroit is a good buy on housing. Where else can you buy legit places for $25K!
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    Jan 19, 2014 7:06 PM GMT
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    Jan 19, 2014 7:27 PM GMT
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    From the looks of these photos, a lot of the Packard plant appears well beyond salvation. It is too deteriorated and large areas have literally collapsed due to years of neglect. The only viable thing to do with these deteriorated factory buildings is complete demolition and clearance. Than the other hard part comes into play after demolition, brownfield remediation which cost millions of dollars because this site is so vast. I am well aware of the factory complex architectural integrity and aesthetics, but most of this factory complex cannot be saved, it is too far gone which is horribly sad. Let this be a harsh lesson for American society and its horrendous wastefulness.
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    Jan 19, 2014 7:37 PM GMT
    I tried to delete because of a formatting problem and it won't let me delete.
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    Jan 19, 2014 7:41 PM GMT
    I did talk with one of Fernando Palazuelo's new security folks and he gave us a nickel tour of what parts they are planning on saving. It's all pretty bad so I don't know if the expectation is reasonable or not.

    However, he's got the financial horsepower to pull this off, but it will take a decade or more. They've got to integrate as much of the old Albert Kahn look and feel as much as they can to make it a viable, interesting project.
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    Jan 19, 2014 7:54 PM GMT
    If any historic landmarks in Detroit should be saved, it should be the Michigan Central Station and the 37 story David Broderick Tower downtown. Both those landmarks are facing a very uncertain future. Both would be easier and more cost effective to renovate and restore because they both don't cover such a vast space of land and their deterioration isn't quite as severe.
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    roadbikeRob saidIf any historic landmarks in Detroit should be saved, it should be the Michigan Central Station and the 37 story David Broderick Tower downtown. Both those landmarks are facing a very uncertain future. Both would be easier and more cost effective to renovate and restore because they both don't cover such a vast space of land and their deterioration isn't quite as severe.


    Agree, but I hope it's all three that can be brought back.

    I'm personally working on a deal for the Michigan building over on Bagley, and it's not in terrible shape, but I'll be shocked if the buyer carries through on this.
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    Jan 19, 2014 8:09 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    roadbikeRob saidIf any historic landmarks in Detroit should be saved, it should be the Michigan Central Station and the 37 story David Broderick Tower downtown. Both those landmarks are facing a very uncertain future. Both would be easier and more cost effective to renovate and restore because they both don't cover such a vast space of land and their deterioration isn't quite as severe.


    Agree, but I hope it's all three that can be brought back.

    I'm personally working on a deal for the Michigan building over on Bagley, and it's not in terrible shape, but I'll be shocked if the buyer carries through on this.
    Oh I agree with you 100% about all three landmarks being saved and redeveloped. Detroit has such a large historic architectural inventory that could help be a potential cultural tourism drawing card in much the same way that Buffalo, Chicago, New York, and Philadelphia have successfully marketed their historic built environment.
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    Jan 19, 2014 8:32 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    roadbikeRob saidIf any historic landmarks in Detroit should be saved, it should be the Michigan Central Station and the 37 story David Broderick Tower downtown. Both those landmarks are facing a very uncertain future. Both would be easier and more cost effective to renovate and restore because they both don't cover such a vast space of land and their deterioration isn't quite as severe.


    Agree, but I hope it's all three that can be brought back.

    I'm personally working on a deal for the Michigan building over on Bagley, and it's not in terrible shape, but I'll be shocked if the buyer carries through on this.
    Oh I agree with you 100% about all three landmarks being saved and redeveloped. Detroit has such a large historic architectural inventory that could help be a potential cultural tourism drawing card in much the same way that Buffalo, Chicago, New York, and Philadelphia have successfully marketed their historic built environment.


    Btw, David Broderick Tower looks great and from what I understand is 100% occupied.

    http://www.brodericktower.com/

    Great potential here in what arguably could be the Paris of the West.
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    Jan 19, 2014 8:40 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    roadbikeRob said
    freedomisntfree said
    roadbikeRob saidIf any historic landmarks in Detroit should be saved, it should be the Michigan Central Station and the 37 story David Broderick Tower downtown. Both those landmarks are facing a very uncertain future. Both would be easier and more cost effective to renovate and restore because they both don't cover such a vast space of land and their deterioration isn't quite as severe.


    Agree, but I hope it's all three that can be brought back.

    I'm personally working on a deal for the Michigan building over on Bagley, and it's not in terrible shape, but I'll be shocked if the buyer carries through on this.
    Oh I agree with you 100% about all three landmarks being saved and redeveloped. Detroit has such a large historic architectural inventory that could help be a potential cultural tourism drawing card in much the same way that Buffalo, Chicago, New York, and Philadelphia have successfully marketed their historic built environment.


    Btw, David Broderick Tower looks great and from what I understand is 100% occupied.

    http://www.brodericktower.com/

    Great potential here in what arguably could be the Paris of the West.
    I am sorry for being a bit out of date with my info. The last time I saw something on the David Broderick Tower, it was when it was empty and up for sale. I am happy that someone took that historic skyscraper and restored it attracting tenants. That is awesome newsicon_biggrin.gif From what I heard, the nearby David Stott Tower is fully occupied and a prime office address along with one of my very favorites in Detroit, the Guardian Building now there is a beautiful landmark skyscraper.
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    Jan 19, 2014 8:52 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    roadbikeRob said
    freedomisntfree said
    roadbikeRob saidIf any historic landmarks in Detroit should be saved, it should be the Michigan Central Station and the 37 story David Broderick Tower downtown. Both those landmarks are facing a very uncertain future. Both would be easier and more cost effective to renovate and restore because they both don't cover such a vast space of land and their deterioration isn't quite as severe.


    Agree, but I hope it's all three that can be brought back.

    I'm personally working on a deal for the Michigan building over on Bagley, and it's not in terrible shape, but I'll be shocked if the buyer carries through on this.
    Oh I agree with you 100% about all three landmarks being saved and redeveloped. Detroit has such a large historic architectural inventory that could help be a potential cultural tourism drawing card in much the same way that Buffalo, Chicago, New York, and Philadelphia have successfully marketed their historic built environment.


    Btw, David Broderick Tower looks great and from what I understand is 100% occupied.

    http://www.brodericktower.com/

    Great potential here in what arguably could be the Paris of the West.
    I am sorry for being a bit out of date with my info. The last time I saw something on the David Broderick Tower, it was when it was empty and up for sale. I am happy that someone took that historic skyscraper and restored it attracting tenants. That is awesome newsicon_biggrin.gif From what I heard, the nearby David Stott Tower is fully occupied and a prime office address along with one of my very favorites in Detroit, the Guardian Building now there is a beautiful landmark skyscraper.


    Really cool art deco building. Lot of activity downtown. This is all doable. What's difficult is Midtown on out a ways to 8 mile on the north.

    Traffic was horrendous Friday afternoon getting from Dearborn over to Birmingham so some things are returning to normal.

    I took my car enthusiast 19 yr old gym buddy with me and what surprised him was how friendly folks are in Detroit. Of course that might be my fault to an extent because I'll talk to anyone and do.

    Royal Oak along Main St. Friday night was just jammed with people and the parking a nightmare.
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    Jan 19, 2014 9:03 PM GMT
    wasn't there already a thread on this:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3566727
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    Jan 19, 2014 9:05 PM GMT
    Well this is great news to hear that Detroit is turning the corner and things are starting to improve. Now up the I-75 to Flint and lets hope that troubled city can get itself out of its economic depression/urban crisis in much the same way that Detroit is doing right now.
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    Jan 19, 2014 9:07 PM GMT
    thadjock saidwasn't there already a thread on this:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3566727


    Maybe
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    Jan 19, 2014 9:08 PM GMT
    thadjock saidwasn't there already a thread on this:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3566727
    Probably, but Detroit is a very beautiful and important city so we need open discussion about how to improve that great city. I would also like to include Toledo, Cleveland, and Buffalo in the conversation as well because they are all historic, old industrial and lake port cities.
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    Jan 19, 2014 9:17 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidWell this is great news to hear that Detroit is turning the corner and things are starting to improve. Now up the I-75 to Flint and lets hope that troubled city can get itself out of its economic depression/urban crisis in much the same way that Detroit is doing right now.


    If folks saw Flint as I've seen it lately it would be hard to believe that there's anything at all wrong.

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    Jan 19, 2014 9:28 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    roadbikeRob saidWell this is great news to hear that Detroit is turning the corner and things are starting to improve. Now up the I-75 to Flint and lets hope that troubled city can get itself out of its economic depression/urban crisis in much the same way that Detroit is doing right now.


    If folks saw Flint as I've seen it lately it would be hard to believe that there's anything at all wrong.

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    I think that all the negative nellies in the news media have taken the view on urban problems in both Detroit and Flint and blown them out of proportion making them out much worse than they really are at the current time. This is the exact same thing we have to deal with in Buffalo with the news media's negative nellies. Making our urban crisis along with our winter weather look much worse than it really is.
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    Jan 19, 2014 9:53 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI think that all the negative nellies in the news media have taken the view on urban problems in both Detroit and Flint and blown them out of proportion making them out much worse than they really are at the current time. This is the exact same thing we have to deal with in Buffalo with the news media's negative nellies. Making our urban crisis along with our winter weather look much worse than it really is.


    yeah it's always the goddamn lies of the liberal mainstream media.


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    Jan 19, 2014 10:07 PM GMT
    thadjock said
    roadbikeRob saidI think that all the negative nellies in the news media have taken the view on urban problems in both Detroit and Flint and blown them out of proportion making them out much worse than they really are at the current time. This is the exact same thing we have to deal with in Buffalo with the news media's negative nellies. Making our urban crisis along with our winter weather look much worse than it really is.


    yeah it's always the goddamn lies of the liberal mainstream media.


    Did I say liberalicon_question.gif

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