Fox News... Gone off the Deep End?

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    Dec 14, 2008 10:34 AM GMT
    This past school semester, I spent time living with a family who had no cable--no tv--so theri ten year old daughter wouldn't be influenced by "couch-potato habits at a young age. Anyways, the point is, I hadn't even seen a tv in the past three months.

    I recently returned home and found some interesting thing had happened on Fox News-- the channle that prides itself as being "Fair and Balenced" Yes, i know other stations are more liberal than Fox and have their own biases... but Fox News to me has always "shouted out " their conservative influences.. and then they cliam to be "fair and balenced"? I have noticed a few thiungs from researchering on the net:

    (Warning: these may be out-of -date... meaning... they may be old sories and/or new development may have come about.)

    1.) Bill O'Reilly's coverage of the gay rights movement since Prop 8 has been EXTREMELY biased. Newt Gingrich called thes gay who were protesting, "gay Facsists"
    a.) His coverage of hate crimes against the religious community, yet says that hate crimes against gays wouldn't happen if we all just shut up and went back into the closet. The "choice" of one's religion is more important thatn the "choice" of one's sexuaulity, eh Bill?
    b.)Bill O'reilly's coverage of Jack Black's Prop 8 musical left out important pieces of information that is recently being brought up all around the country: Consevatives pick and choose from the Bible what to believe in.

    2.) Sean Hannity gets another "solo" show after Colmes--the "liberal"-wak minded voice--leaves Hannity and Colmes. Hmm fair and balenced with only one strong voice present on a commentating program. How convient for Fox News and Sean Hannity.

    3.) Huckabee. Fox hires baptist pastor and former Republican presidential canidate to run his own show. Enough said there.

    4.) Glenn Beck leaves MSNBC for Fox News. Ha! what a loon... that guys had to compete with O'Reilly when he was on MSNBC I believe (same time slot) So he said lots and lots of radical stuff... He's better fit on Fox.

    Now someone may make the arguemnt, "Well, Chris, those are commentaters--not reporters. Yes, true. But a lot of perople now get their news from these commentater. Not to mention Fox has been full of mostly consevative rhetoric in the past.

    Care only anout business and the economy and the "right and only way to run ana war and protect America?" The Fox News is for you!

    I'm not suggesting CNN is better... but please... open your eyes.

    "Only a Sith deals in absolutes."
  • GQjock

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    Dec 14, 2008 12:40 PM GMT
    WhatTheFox News is one of the most biased and lying piece of Pseudo-journalistic crap that has ever been foisted on the American public

    Remember the Term Yellow Journalism? and things like Remember the Maine?in History books
    Well WhatTheFox News is right up there leading the propaganda pack
    They are a republican mouthpiece from the get go
    Everything that comes out of that channel repeats the republican talking points down to the last syllable
    Bill O'Reilly and Hannity have been caught in FLAGRANT lies again and again and again and nothing is said
    which is why I am SO glad that MSNBC has put on Olbermann and Maddow so at Least we now have someone out there to balance their lies
    some reading material
    http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067

    http://www.slate.com/id/2119864/

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  • styrgan

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    Dec 14, 2008 5:00 PM GMT
    Where have you been? Fox News went off the deep end nine years ago.

    And Glenn Beck used to be on CNN Headline News, not MSNBC.

    I have to admit that I like Mike Huckabee though. Even though I believe in very little of his philosophy, I have to admit that he is capable of respectful and thoughtful dialogue with the opposing side. And in a world run by partisan hacks like Olbermann and O'Reilly, that counts for something.
  • coolarmydude

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    Dec 14, 2008 5:06 PM GMT
    Recently, the names of O'Reilly, Hannity and Limbaugh have been dropped in conversations by critics within and from outside the Republican Party that are telling Republicans that if you truly want to reform the party, you have to start by removing those three. This morning, I also heard Palin's name mentioned. And it's true.

    The writing on the wall for these ignoramouses has been up ever since Ann Coulture made one too many ignorant comments that put her back into the closet. If they keep this up, which they will, they will find themselves enjoing renewed contracts without a camera/microphone in front of them.


    I tuned in to Hannity & Colmes the other night for shits and giggles and what was Hannity blabbering about? He was suggesting Obama should be really nervous about the Blagojevich case, not because of Blagojevich, but because Razko's name has been mentioned several times in the case. Ummmm, Sean Hannity, the only reason you think this is because you still believe that Obama was guilty of something when Razko was indicted.
    Conjecture is yellow journalism.
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    Dec 14, 2008 5:12 PM GMT
    styrgan said...And Glenn Beck used to be on CNN Headline News, not MSNBC.

    ...And in a world run by partisan hacks like Olbermann and O'Reilly...


    I didn't even realize Beck had left CNN. Maybe I'll go back to watching it more often. Now if only that loon Nancy Grace would take a hike, so CNN could rehabilitate itself further into being a news organization once again.

    Awww, Olbermann is OK. He hates Bush and Fox both, so that's good. And he can be funny, something O'Reilly never is (at least not intentionally).

  • coolarmydude

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    Dec 14, 2008 5:14 PM GMT
    Also, why else has Obama refused to take any questions to date from a FOX reporter? They will be forced to make some changes or be left out of the press corps.
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    Dec 14, 2008 5:18 PM GMT
    styrgan saidWhere have you been? Fox News went off the deep end nine years ago.

    And Glenn Beck used to be on CNN Headline News, not MSNBC.

    I have to admit that I like Mike Huckabee though. Even though I believe in very little of his philosophy, I have to admit that he is capable of respectful and thoughtful dialogue with the opposing side. And in a world run by partisan hacks like Olbermann and O'Reilly, that counts for something.


    Whoops... ya he was on Headlines CNN.
    Nice analysis of Huckabee though. He scares me even though he is respectful. Ignoance or one sided beliefs are not something any canidate should present. He man be a good person, but he still scares me... and his potential
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    Dec 14, 2008 5:47 PM GMT
    RedVespa said
    I didn't even realize Beck had left CNN. Maybe I'll go back to watching it more often. Now if only that loon Nancy Grace would take a hike, so CNN could rehabilitate itself further into being a news organization once again.

    Awww, Olbermann is OK. He hates Bush and Fox both, so that's good. And he can be funny, something O'Reilly never is (at least not intentionally).


    Yeah I'm more of a Rachel Maddow kind of person. She's like one of those people who is so smart but awkward at the same time. I think she's adorable.

    I don't hate Olbermann. I just can't get into him. He tries really hard to walk a line between two very different types of people - the anti-Bill O who's equally indignant versus the thoughtful liberal anchor like Ed Murrow (who's basically his idol). It never really registered for me.

    I do give him credit for standing up to Bush and O'Reilly when no one else would though. But the public airwaves have moderated themselves greatly and there are more viewing choices now that offer a less enraged face for liberalism, and that's just my preference.

  • styrgan

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    Dec 14, 2008 6:10 PM GMT
    That's fair, CJC. I try to give everyone a chance at making their case and since Huck is the only one on Fox who's not a rabid dog, I listen to him.

    I find what's really amazing now is that there's an anchor (and a network) for everyone. CNN has become extremely populist (with both Campbell Brown and Lou Dobbs representing both left and right sides of that movement). MSNBC has diversified its range of liberal commentators and each of them fills a certain niche. I think the same is true of Fox with the addition of Huckabee.

    I find it sad that people have started to cherry pick their news and are looking for everything to be slanted from the getgo, but I'm guilty of the same thing I guess. We'll just have to adjust to nothing being "fair and balanced" anymore.
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    Dec 14, 2008 6:20 PM GMT
    styrgan Nice analysis of Huckabee though. He scares me even though he is respectful. Ignoance or one sided beliefs are not something any canidate should present. He man be a good person, but he still scares me... and his potential


    I would never vote for him, but Huckabee has a particularly (and weirdly) enlightened attitdue toward education and the arts. While many school systems have purged the arts from their curriculae, he has been a longtime advocate for their continuance.

    This is laudable, especially for a religious right-winger, most of whom distrust the arts and almost always oppose their public funding.
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    Dec 14, 2008 6:27 PM GMT
    Like it or not, FOX is the highest rated news network AND has been rated the most fair in its coverage (particularly during the election) of any news outlet by at least two independent studies -- George Mason University and Pew, I believe.

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/505231/media_reports_hard_on_clinton_fox_most.html?cat=62

    The Pew study showed FOX to be the most "evenly" split audience between those who classify themselves "democrat" or "republican."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/24/fox-news-ad-targets-cnns_n_121026.html

    And sure, while Sean Hannity can be a bit of a dope and O'Reilly is a pompous ass a lot of the time, at least these guys have the balls to go at it with people of opposing viewpoints. CNN isn't bad in this respect, either, but MSNBC/NBC (and CBS and ABC to an extent) are a leftwing circle jerk night after night.

    FOX may seem strident in its right wing positioning at times, but I suspect it's largely because you never hear that point of view anywhere else with any consistency against the left point of view.
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    Dec 14, 2008 6:32 PM GMT
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    styrgan Nice analysis of Huckabee though. He scares me even though he is respectful. Ignoance or one sided beliefs are not something any canidate should present. He man be a good person, but he still scares me... and his potential


    I would never vote for him, but Huckabee has a particularly (and weirdly) enlightened attitdue toward education and the arts. While many school systems have purged the arts from their curriculae, he has been a longtime advocate for their continuance.

    This is laudable, especially for a religious right-winger, most of whom distrust the arts and almost always oppose their public funding.


    Huck has shown himself to be rather creative in other areas as well - poverty, health/lifestyle programs, infrastructure, etc.

    He has a different type of conservative framework for approaching things. Newsweek ran a commentary on him a year or so ago calling him a new type of social conservative who was less interested in fear-mongering on abortion and gay rights and more interested in the positive aspects of Christ's message being integrated into public life.
  • styrgan

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    Dec 14, 2008 6:37 PM GMT
    FALCON, you're right about MSNBC, but spare us the left wing media hype. CNN is extremely fair to conservatives, and I would even say that the traditional network news media is as well. Republicans being shown for the ignorant fools they really are in the face of hard-hitting questions is not the same thing as the media being "biased."
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    Dec 14, 2008 6:38 PM GMT
    FALCONER saidFOX may seem strident in its right wing positioning at times, but I suspect it's largely because you never hear that point of view anywhere else with any consistency against the left point of view.


    No No No. I can easily pick out arguemnets which present a left or right point of view. The problm with Fox is that they seem to always presnt a conservative point of view; or if their is a balence, the liberal is either weak (Colmes) or shot down by the conservative host. (O'Reilly is the perfect example).

    I have no problem with a consevrative tv network. But don't call yourself "fair and balenced" When Fox adda a few shows hosted by liberals and/or liberal anchors during the news... then I'll consider them possibly fair and balence.
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    Dec 14, 2008 7:02 PM GMT
    styrgan saidYeah I'm more of a Rachel Maddow kind of person. She's like one of those people who is so smart but awkward at the same time. I think she's adorable.


    My partner is a big fan of hers, too, and we'll watch her together. She got her break by subbing for Olbermann, where I didn't care for her as much, mostly because she wasn't allowed to do his signature pieces, like Worst Person. But she's much better in her own format.
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    Dec 14, 2008 7:10 PM GMT
    Gay men are so predictable. Oooooohhhh, Fox News is Sooooo Biased and Sooooo conservative and Soooooo BAD! Whatever! It is the only overtly conservative news channel while EVERY single other media outlet is OVERTLY BIASED, AND OVERTLY LIBERAL.
    NONE of the major networks are Fair or Balanced. In fact, they report the news as fact when in reality it is nothing more than a skillfully crafted 30 minute editorial! There is a difference you know. If you spent any moment of your Biased by Design gay lives watching all the media outlets and formulating an opinion based on fact rather than a bandwagon party line/talking point, you might come across as more reasonable in your commentary.
    Not all things conservative are bad. You might be surprised how much you subscribe to what O'Reilly and Beck have to say if you'd think for your damn selves and stop being so bigoted for the sake of being the stereotypical closed-minded, uber liberal gay!
    Do yourself a favor and listen to Beck on the radio. Listen to him for the whole show and I guarantee you will not only be entertained, but enlightened as well. He is no different than you or I in many regards. He is good hearted, kind, and insightful. But none of you would know that because it is easier to cast stones and stay closeted rather than expand your horizons and give the oh so evil conservative a fair shake. I know it's too much to ask, but to do otherwise just perpetuates your ignorance and emboldens the mean spirited, militant gay perceptions most hold against you.
    So, continue getting your news from the hate-filled, ultra radical huffington post. It speaks volumes of your waning intellect and the ease by which you succomb to the closed minded liberal agenda.
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    Dec 14, 2008 7:28 PM GMT
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    Gay men are so predictable.

    Not all things conservative are bad. You might be surprised how much you subscribe to what O'Reilly and Beck have to say if you'd think for your damn selves and stop being so bigoted for the sake of being the stereotypical closed-minded, uber liberal gay!

    Do yourself a favor and listen to Beck on the radio. Listen to him for the whole show and I guarantee you will not only be entertained, but enlightened as well. He is no different than you or I in many regards. He is good hearted, kind, and insightful. But none of you would know that because it is easier to cast stones and stay closeted rather than expand your horizons and give the oh so evil conservative a fair shake. I know it's too much to ask, but to do otherwise just perpetuates your ignorance and emboldens the mean spirited, militant gay perceptions most hold against you.
    So, continue getting your news from the hate-filled, ultra radical huffington post. It speaks volumes of your waning intellect and the ease by which you succomb to the closed minded liberal agenda.


    Don't make me flame you.

    I've listened to Beck many times, and have determined that he doesn't have a single original idea in his head. He's no doubt the dullest of the bunch. O'Reilly is extremely smart, and Huck is a good-hearted person with a unique perspective, but many of these guys are total morons.

    Then again, small minds stick together I guess.
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    Dec 14, 2008 7:42 PM GMT
    I rarely watch TV, but I tuned in around the time of the election. I flipped channels and found a discussion of S. Palin. The points the commentators were trying to make were presented in such an oddly slanted way I couldn’t understand why the studio audience wasn’t laughing - I took a closer look at the screen and realized I wasn’t watching one of the SNL spoofs I’d read so much about on the internet - I was actually watching Fox News. I flipped back to PBS.
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    Dec 14, 2008 7:47 PM GMT
    There is a channel changer or Off switch to every TV. Don't bitch about laziness.
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    Dec 14, 2008 7:58 PM GMT
    txjetjock saidGay men are so predictable. Oooooohhhh, Fox News is Sooooo Biased and Sooooo conservative and Soooooo BAD! Whatever! It is the only overtly conservative news channel while EVERY single other media outlet is OVERTLY BIASED, AND OVERTLY LIBERAL.
    NONE of the major networks are Fair or Balanced. In fact, they report the news as fact when in reality it is nothing more than a skillfully crafted 30 minute editorial! There is a difference you know. If you spent any moment of your Biased by Design gay lives watching all the media outlets and formulating an opinion based on fact rather than a bandwagon party line/talking point, you might come across as more reasonable in your commentary.
    Not all things conservative are bad. You might be surprised how much you subscribe to what O'Reilly and Beck have to say if you'd think for your damn selves and stop being so bigoted for the sake of being the stereotypical closed-minded, uber liberal gay!
    Do yourself a favor and listen to Beck on the radio. Listen to him for the whole show and I guarantee you will not only be entertained, but enlightened as well. He is no different than you or I in many regards. He is good hearted, kind, and insightful. But none of you would know that because it is easier to cast stones and stay closeted rather than expand your horizons and give the oh so evil conservative a fair shake. I know it's too much to ask, but to do otherwise just perpetuates your ignorance and emboldens the mean spirited, militant gay perceptions most hold against you.
    So, continue getting your news from the hate-filled, ultra radical huffington post. It speaks volumes of your waning intellect and the ease by which you succomb to the closed minded liberal agenda.


    You Gay Republicans slay me. You are losing your rights, left and right, because of the Republican Party and its ties to organized religion and you still continue to support it. I would like to get just one thing that the Republican Party has done for the gay population. It will be interesting to see what happens to FOX news after it loses its lifeline to the White House in January. I wonder where they will get their talking points from than, probably the Republican National Headquarters.
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    Dec 14, 2008 8:07 PM GMT
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  • lln202

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    Dec 14, 2008 8:13 PM GMT
    Maybe the receptors in your mind are so slanted that they perceive everything else as biased.... the gay community needs to stop living in a shell and enter into a dialogue with the rest of the country. Tuning out all voices that we can't understand may feel safe, but it will only harm us in the long term.
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    Dec 14, 2008 8:34 PM GMT
    lln202 saidMaybe the receptors in your mind are so slanted that they perceive everything else as biased.... the gay community needs to stop living in a shell and enter into a dialogue with the rest of the country. Tuning out all voices that we can't understand may feel safe, but it will only harm us in the long term.


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    Dec 14, 2008 8:54 PM GMT
    I used to actually LIKE watching Fox news and Glenn Beck, I thought he was pretty cool and a no nonsense guy.

    I guess we all gotta grow up sometime, eh?
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    Dec 14, 2008 8:54 PM GMT
    txjetjock saidGay men are so predictable. Oooooohhhh, Fox News is Sooooo Biased and Sooooo conservative and Soooooo BAD! Whatever! It is the only overtly conservative news channel while EVERY single other media outlet is OVERTLY BIASED, AND OVERTLY LIBERAL.
    NONE of the major networks are Fair or Balanced. In fact, they report the news as fact when in reality it is nothing more than a skillfully crafted 30 minute editorial! There is a difference you know. If you spent any moment of your Biased by Design gay lives watching all the media outlets and formulating an opinion based on fact rather than a bandwagon party line/talking point, you might come across as more reasonable in your commentary.
    Not all things conservative are bad. You might be surprised how much you subscribe to what O'Reilly and Beck have to say if you'd think for your damn selves and stop being so bigoted for the sake of being the stereotypical closed-minded, uber liberal gay!
    Do yourself a favor and listen to Beck on the radio. Listen to him for the whole show and I guarantee you will not only be entertained, but enlightened as well. He is no different than you or I in many regards. He is good hearted, kind, and insightful. But none of you would know that because it is easier to cast stones and stay closeted rather than expand your horizons and give the oh so evil conservative a fair shake. I know it's too much to ask, but to do otherwise just perpetuates your ignorance and emboldens the mean spirited, militant gay perceptions most hold against you.
    So, continue getting your news from the hate-filled, ultra radical huffington post. It speaks volumes of your waning intellect and the ease by which you succomb to the closed minded liberal agenda.


    Ummm Wow. Really WOW. First off, my friend, you yourself are being stereotypical. I never said i was a Democract. I am an Independent actually... and believ in some conservative princibles. Do you believe in some liberal princibles?

    Also, I said Beck and Or'eilly are biased... I never siad that there are things on which we agree on (very few). I watch them both quite a bit actually thank you very much. Moreover, i despise their tactics. Gays on average may appear closed-minded yes, but i believe that is a defense mechanism to combat the close-mindedness of Republicans .. who many demonize and try to take a way the rights of gays.

    Think for myself? Thats funny, I didn't realize you knew me well enough to make such a staement.

    Anyways, show me a clip from Fox News: Analzye it and I'll do the same.