America’s crumbling infrastructure desperately needs funding

  • metta

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    Jan 18, 2014 8:51 AM GMT
    America’s crumbling infrastructure desperately needs funding


    http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/1/infrastructure-transportationcongressspending.html
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    Jan 18, 2014 3:31 PM GMT
    But...but...but....communism!...and, uh....Monica Lewinsky!.....and, um, Agenda 21 and stuff!
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 18, 2014 3:53 PM GMT
    Absolutely. We definitely need to start addressing the serious problems of our infrastructure in this country especially in the northeast and midwest were it is much older and in more serious disrepair than in other parts of the US. The emphasis needs to be placed on existing infrastructure with major repairs and overhauls. Total reconstruction were needed. Instead of wasting money on foreign wars in countries that really don't want us there in the first place, it is time to bring our troops and our money home and invest in the US. Otherwise our country is going to fall behind in global competitiveness. Here in Buffalo, many of our streets, sidewalks, and underground utilities need total reconstruction which would require well over a billion dollars. Since that kind of money is out of the city's reach, we make do by milling off a couple asphalt layers and resurface our streets. Water and sewer lines are repaired only if there is a pressing need. Sidewalks get asphalt patches until money comes available for replacement of the broken concrete slabs. I cannot even imagine the infrastructure problems that Cleveland, Toledo, and Detroit are all facing because of their severely strained finances. A real nightmare are the serious problems of crumbling infrastructure in much bigger cities like New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los Angeles. Most American suburbs are also facing serious problems with decaying infrastructure along with the lack of money to do anything about it. We definitely need to start worrying about America and stop worrying about other countries.
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    Jan 18, 2014 3:59 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said Instead of wasting money on foreign wars in countries that really don't want us there in the first place, it is time to bring our troops and our money home and invest in the US.

    Word.
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    Jan 18, 2014 4:54 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    roadbikeRob said Instead of wasting money on foreign wars in countries that really don't want us there in the first place, it is time to bring our troops and our money home and invest in the US.

    Word.


    I bet the roads on the US military bases in Germany and Korea are just fine lol
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 18, 2014 4:58 PM GMT
    We need more Roosevelt-era types of public works projects, which benefit everyone and create jobs.icon_smile.gif
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    Jan 18, 2014 4:59 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidWe need more Roosevelt-era types of public works projects, which benefit everyone and create jobs.icon_smile.gif


    and ironically, Eisenhower
  • PolitiMAC

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    Jan 18, 2014 10:57 PM GMT
    As nice as the idea is about infrastructure, it isn't so simple. Kiwi has already made his point, so I'll just say that incremental change that is funded completely, or at least sustainably is the way the US needs to deal with their problems right now. It's never as simple as it seems icon_razz.gif
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    Jan 18, 2014 11:08 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidWe need more Roosevelt-era types of public works projects, which benefit everyone and create jobs.icon_smile.gif
    That would be an awesome idea because it would put thousands of unemployed people back to work and teach them valuable skills at the same time. However, all the big, union contractors would fiercely oppose this sound idea because they would no longer be able to soak the taxpayers with stretched out construction projects along with lousy, shoddy workmanship and costly reconstruction due to that shoddy workmanship.
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    Jan 18, 2014 11:19 PM GMT
    kiwiLifter saidGood luck with that, the entire financial system will need a crash and reboot first:



    Why We Can Not Buy Our Way Out Of Debt


    The data leave little room for doubt. I think everyone can understand the principle behind this graph:

    DebtCurve.png


    Credit overshoots productivity, and keeps rising while the latter is on its way down.


    IncrementalDebtGDP.png



    Diminishing_Return_of_Each_.png


    By 2015, an increase in debt in the US will no longer produce any growth at all. Then it’s all just pushing on a string.

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article43982.html



    Hope you guys are ready for a massive downward adjustment in you standard of living which has been an illusion maintained by over a generation of household debt and asset bubbles.


    big deal, so the central banks do a global currency realignment and debt reset, it's already been done lots of times
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    Jan 20, 2014 12:45 AM GMT
    ^^

    Japan is turning every economic theory on it's ass right now.
  • thadjock

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    Jan 20, 2014 12:59 AM GMT
    fuck roads and bridges , i want more of these:

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/66077/how-much-public-money-does-your-state-spend-on-nfl-football-check-this-chart
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    Jan 20, 2014 1:07 AM GMT
    This reminds me of a welfare recipient who drives around in a new Cadillac, fur coat and diamond watch, begging for money to buy food. Stop with the fucking wars and you could build 1000 bridges to the Moon and back.
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    Jan 20, 2014 1:10 AM GMT
    FIFTY-THREE PERCENT of your income tax goes to fund WARS. Think about that.
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    Jan 20, 2014 4:44 PM GMT
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    Scruffypup saidFIFTY-THREE PERCENT of your income tax goes to fund WARS. Think about that.


    Except that 48% (or is it more now) of the American public pay zero in Federal income tax, so it doesn't bother them. icon_wink.gif

    Your partisan arguments are so stale. Here's an idea, if you want the poor half of the country to pay higher taxes, then pay them enough to not be in poverty. The rich are the biggest tax dodgers of all, anyway, siphoning their earnings into foreign accounts and creating loopholes that allow them to profit off of the poor. Anyone who takes out a loan or uses a credit card is handing their debt to wealthy people who earn money on interest. Poor people may not pay federal income tax, but if they pay interest on their spending the money trickles up to the wealthiest people, anyway. If anything, the rich gain more by keeping 48%+ of the country poor and in debt.
  • thadjock

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    Jan 20, 2014 6:51 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidFIFTY-THREE PERCENT of your income tax goes to fund WARS. Think about that.


    well actually I think that money went to Haliburton, KBR, Blackwater, and the Cheney regime didnt' it?

    boots on the ground didn't and haven't gotten shit.
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    Jan 20, 2014 7:00 PM GMT
    kiwiLifter said
    woodsmen said

    I wouldn't put Greenspan in the same sentence as Krugman. The only thing that is the same between the two of them is that they are economists of opposing political spectrum. While Krugman was against it, it was Greenspan and the conservatives that voted to break Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 to allow entities to sell derivatives precipitating the housing crisis and everything that caused the economic catastrophe of the last five years.



    Neither of them called it on the Credit Crunch. Economics is in a sorry state.

    Steve Keen is on to it though. You should read some of his articles, he presents economics in a very accessible way.

    It is interesting that Krugman et al are finally beginning to see the light.

    But their suggestion that the answer to secular stagnation is QE to infinity...icon_eek.gif


    Your points are completely valid and many people here in the US understand that. You're arguing with someone who buys the New York Times and Paul Krugman's viewpoints. There are numerous experts here who strongly disagree.
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    Jan 21, 2014 3:03 AM GMT
    thadjock said
    Scruffypup saidFIFTY-THREE PERCENT of your income tax goes to fund WARS. Think about that.


    well actually I think that money went to Haliburton, KBR, Blackwater, and the Cheney regime didnt' it?

    boots on the ground didn't and haven't gotten shit.


    Yes you're right, but that's how they label it.
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    Jan 22, 2014 2:56 AM GMT
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    Aristoshark said
    roadbikeRob said Instead of wasting money on foreign wars in countries that really don't want us there in the first place, it is time to bring our troops and our money home and invest in the US.

    Word.


    I bet the roads on the US military bases in Germany and Korea are just fine lol
    The U.S. is a war nation. Without war, there is nothing to sustain the economy. The dollar would become entirely worthless.
    The media profits from wars, as do contractors and bond/share-holders and investors alike.
    What commodities besides food and water, (the basics) do other countries demand from America? Think, what could America possibly barter to any other country? You guys don't even have enough fresh water!
    That's why China has you on your knees.

    It was different when environmentalists didn't have monopoly of the geo-political scheme. We could be trading things like coal and fossil fuels, the former in no demand at all, and the latter depreciating.

    America doesn't need new infrastructure, it needs a new directive entirely.

    Ironically, environmentalism is a huge detriment to both the economy, and itself. Lol Fukushima. Yeah, nuclear energy really is cleaner than coal!
    (When you're burying barrels of depleted uranium in landfills)

    Out of sight, out of mind. Amirite???

    It's easy to blame the war machine based on ethics alone, but without it, I doubt any of us would be here right now.

    Tl;Dr: The U.s. must always rely on "peace-keeping" in lieu of proper economical functions, the likes of which developed countries have been relying on since the beginning of fucking time.
  • thadjock

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    Jan 22, 2014 6:51 AM GMT
    Ajjax saidThe U.S. is a war nation. Without war, there is nothing to sustain the economy.
    What commodities besides food and water, (the basics) do other countries demand from America? Think, what could America possibly barter to any other country?


    all of your statements are patently false. the longest and largest economic expansion in the US occurred during peacetime following WW2.

    and HERE'S what we barter:

    The United States is the world’s leading exporter of
    agricultural products. At $141.3 billion, agricultural
    exports made up 10% of U.S. exports in 2012.

    here's the top 10 list of things other countries demand from the US:

    Machinery: $215,165,486,000 (13.9% of total exports)
    Electronic equipment: $162,067,973,000 (10.5%)
    Mineral fuels including oil: $137,532,495,000 (8.9%)
    Vehicles excluding trains and streetcars: $132,926,223,000 (8.6%)
    Aircraft and spacecraft: $104,266,487,000 (6.7%)
    Optical, technical and medical apparatus: $83,470,292,000 (5.4%)
    Pearls, precious stones metals and coins: $71,664,266,000 (4.6%)
    Plastics: $58,848,633,000 (3.8%)
    Organic chemicals: $46,174,233,000 (3%)
    Pharmaceutical products: $40,061,845,000 (2.6%)

    if the US was the shit-hole u describe we wouldn't have an immigration problem, people wouldn't be risking their lives to come here, they'd be fighting to get out.

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    Ajjax saidThe U.S. is a war nation. Without war, there is nothing to sustain the economy.
    What commodities besides food and water, (the basics) do other countries demand from America? Think, what could America possibly barter to any other country?


    all of your statements are patently false. the longest and largest economic expansion in the US occurred during peacetime following WW2.

    and HERE'S what we barter:

    The United States is the world’s leading exporter of
    agricultural products. At $141.3 billion, agricultural
    exports made up 10% of U.S. exports in 2012.

    here's the top 10 list of things other countries demand from the US:

    Machinery: $215,165,486,000 (13.9% of total exports)
    Electronic equipment: $162,067,973,000 (10.5%)
    Mineral fuels including oil: $137,532,495,000 (8.9%)
    Vehicles excluding trains and streetcars: $132,926,223,000 (8.6%)
    Aircraft and spacecraft: $104,266,487,000 (6.7%)
    Optical, technical and medical apparatus: $83,470,292,000 (5.4%)
    Pearls, precious stones metals and coins: $71,664,266,000 (4.6%)
    Plastics: $58,848,633,000 (3.8%)
    Organic chemicals: $46,174,233,000 (3%)
    Pharmaceutical products: $40,061,845,000 (2.6%)

    if the US was the shit-hole u describe we wouldn't have an immigration problem, people wouldn't be risking their lives to come here, they'd be fighting to get out.

    I never really said it was a shit hole. It's not. It's certainly leagues ahead of nations these refugees are escaping from.
    And let me be clear, I have an extensive litany of complaints about Canada, too. Don't even get me started on Stephen Harper, that fucking circus clown.

    Where are you guys getting oil? Oh that's right, imported from B.C. and Alberta... both of which are in Canada. So it's reasonable to assume that Canada is responsible for about 50% of your plastics production.

    Vehicles and Aircraft... hmm, how many of those are for militant purposes?

    Allow me to rephrase; what materials does the U.S. produce that ANY OTHER first world country can't, in vast quantities? That was more or less my intended meaning.

    And not to demean the U.S. military. Like I said, without them we wouldn't even be talking right now. They're all that is keeping this continent afloat economically speaking.
  • thadjock

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    Jan 23, 2014 5:12 AM GMT
    Ajjax said

    Where are you guys getting oil? Oh that's right, imported from B.C. and Alberta... both of which are in Canada. So it's reasonable to assume that Canada is responsible for about 50% of your plastics production.

    Vehicles and Aircraft... hmm, how many of those are for militant purposes?

    Allow me to rephrase; what materials does the U.S. produce that ANY OTHER first world country can't, in vast quantities? That was more or less my intended meaning.

    And not to demean the U.S. military. Like I said, without them we wouldn't even be talking right now. They're all that is keeping this continent afloat economically speaking.


    you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, you should get a full time administrative assistant to fact check your posts.

    The US is a net exporter of oil. oil is traded on a global market based on price and geographic availability. we might be importing from CAN but on the same day we might be exporting from san diego and lousiana.

    Boeing builds more global commercial airliners than Airbus. 2/3 of which are sold for service outside the US.
    Caterpillar is the biggest manufacturer of mining and construction equipment in the world, and more than half of that equipment is put in service outside the US.

    Military spending in the US is only 4.4% of GDP....that means there's 95.6% of GDP that is not military related. the US military is without equal, but they're a very small slice in the economic pie graph that keeps this continent the richest in the world. oh and btw, canada only spends 1.3% of GDP on their military.

  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 28, 2014 5:18 PM GMT
    thadjock saidfuck roads and bridges , i want more of these:

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/66077/how-much-public-money-does-your-state-spend-on-nfl-football-check-this-chart
    What are you to drive your pickup truck on there Mr. fuck roads and bridgesicon_question.gificon_lol.gif


    How are you going to squeal the rear tires on your pickup truck at traffic lights when the pavement is all rough and rutted outicon_question.gificon_lol.gif
  • metta

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    Feb 26, 2014 11:18 PM GMT
    Obama pitches plan to fix crumbling U.S. roads, bridges



    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-transportation-obama-20140226,0,7886302.story
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    Feb 26, 2014 11:29 PM GMT
    metta8 saidObama pitches plan to fix crumbling U.S. roads, bridges



    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-transportation-obama-20140226,0,7886302.story


    What happened to the last package under stimulus? I believe you're the one who posted about corporate welfare? Let's not forget where money designated for roads and infrastructure actually went:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/016/659dkrod.asp