These porn stars, where do they come from? And other random Sunday evening questions.

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  Dec 14, 2008 10:18 PM GMT

  There seem to be so many gay porn sites these days with lots of young men. Where do these guys come from? Why do they all look so similar? What do they get out of it apart from a few hundred dollars? Is there a particular look that does better than others?
  
  So many questions, so little time.

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  Dec 14, 2008 10:21 PM GMT

  They come from their worthless little lives with no ambition and dignity. A few hundred dollars to them is just another bag of cocaine.

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  Dec 14, 2008 10:27 PM GMT

  debussy81 saidThey come from their worthless little lives with no ambition and dignity. A few hundred dollars to them is just another bag of cocaine.

  
  
  That's an unfair and mean-spirited thing to say. Many of them do it because they enjoy it; some do it to pay for an education, or to pay their bills. Some of them do drugs, but many of them don't, and the ones who do abuse drugs don't last long in the industry, as they aren't reliable, can't perform, and are a danger to the other actors as well as the production companies. And most, if not all of them, are sent out on such jobs by modelling agencies that specialize in adult work.
  I've known a number of porn actors, had sex with some, and edited at least 30 major adult films over the last several years. Most of the people I've met in the industry are nice, hard-working people who just happen to make their money with sex and film making.
  You need to take your snotty, judgemental attitude somewhere else.

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  Dec 14, 2008 10:30 PM GMT

  Can these guys make a career out of porn? Surely the need for fresh meat means you have a limited shelf life?

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  Dec 14, 2008 10:32 PM GMT

  They're raised on these farms you see ...
  
  and they feed them only this special corn
  
  No ... they're just young guys who are intrigued by the whole having sex with hot guys and being paid for it
  plus there's a huge amt of adoration that goes along with it
  
  But it's really exploitation ... plain and simple
  Hey there's nothing wrong with the sex ... but to make a living many need to resort to out and out prostitution

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  Dec 14, 2008 10:34 PM GMT

  Perhaps they would have been prostitutes anyway, porn just gives them more exposure.

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  Dec 14, 2008 10:52 PM GMT

  Oh I'm sorry. Yes these "actors" are diligent, hard working individuals. I was so quick to judge. Their parents must be proud!

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  Dec 14, 2008 11:02 PM GMT

  I don't know, but I thank them for providing the occasional entertaining moment.

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  Dec 14, 2008 11:08 PM GMT

  debussy81 saidOh I'm sorry. Yes these "actors" are diligent, hard working individuals. I was so quick to judge. Their parents must be proud!

  
  
  Stop being so fucking sanctimonious. Who the hell elected you the god of behavioral standards? If you've never met any of them, known any of them, or worked with any of them, then where the fuck do you come off judging them? As long as they pay their taxes, you got no business putting any of them down. So they're doing a job YOU don't approve of. So what! Shut the fuck up if you can't offer anything constructive!

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  Dec 14, 2008 11:17 PM GMT

  You can't see some impressionable young guys getting caught up in the fake illusion of it all?
  

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  Dec 14, 2008 11:27 PM GMT

  @zeebyaboi: Right on! They're just like any one of us. Some have nothing more than a high school education (or even dropped out), while others are working on master's degrees and using porn to pay for school. Some are damaged individuals, while some truly enjoy what they do and have perfectly normal lives outside of their jobs. I've had the pleasure of meeting a few in my time living in DC and they're just everyday people...who happen to have sex in front of a camera for the enjoyment of many. Supply/demand, baby.

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  Dec 14, 2008 11:28 PM GMT

  GQjock saidYou can't see some impressionable young guys getting caught up in the fake illusion of it all?
  

  
  
  It's no different than impressionable young people getting caught up in the allure of "legitimate" acting. We see the fallout from that here in Hollywood every day; many of the young people who come to Hollywood with stars in their eyes end up waiting tables, driving cabs, or (often enough) becoming homeless, or going back to their homes in Iowa or Ohio or Indiana and getting a job in a steel mill, that until recently was a good chance at work, but not anymore with the rust belt economy falling apart. We see more shattered dreams and egos thanks to Hollywood aspirations than we do from porn acting, because those who have those stars in their eyes are usually dissuaded from entering the business by the producers themselves.
  
  Make no mistake; working on-camera as an adult entertainer is HARD WORK. If you can't perform sexually, for a long period of time, in front of a crew of bored strangers in the way the director wants, the first time, every time, you don't survive. The impetus to get the work finished quickly is the main driving force on-set, and those who don't perform, for whatever reason, are quickly let go, as there are PLENTY of young men in the wings who are willing, even eager, to give it a shot. But they all learn, very quickly, that it's NOT glamorous, or really even fun or sexy. It's work, and as a result the burn-out rate, and attrition rate, is very high. Many of them do it simply because it can pay a few bills for a few years. Others do it because they really enjoy it, or they might not have any other workplace skills (which is unfotunate). Very rarely do full-time prostitutes do it more than once or twice, as a prostitute is not only considered to be often unprofessional or a drug-abuse concern, but a male prostitute can often make more money for less work on the streets or doing outcall work from Craigslist or other networking resources.

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  Dec 14, 2008 11:38 PM GMT

  Zee .. it's a Little more insidious than that
  
  If you had any exposure to it the pay sucks
  The guys are exposed to a lot of drugs
  People fawn over them all the time
  but they get marked from any "legitimate" work as soon as the first loop goes into production
  
  

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  Dec 14, 2008 11:40 PM GMT

  Thank you

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  Dec 14, 2008 11:42 PM GMT

  redheadguy said Why do they all look so similar?

  
  
  Because the top porn directors in the American industry focus almost exclusively on white people. It's pretty annoying if you ask me. I mean seriously seeing a white guy getting the shit fucked out of him by a black guy is WAY more fun to watch than some white guy getting lightly tapped by another retarded white guy that looks like he's just some wind-up doll.

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  Dec 14, 2008 11:43 PM GMT

  I agree with zeebyaboi.
  
  You people need to get off your sanctimonious high-horse. Yeah, some do it to pay for drugs, or they have little self worth. But a lot are otherwise level-headed guys. Some do it for school money, some do it just for fun and attention. I know one guy ("Tyler Kane") who has a six-figure day job, but occasionally does it because he finds it a turn on.
  
  The best description I've heard of America's attitude towards porn is; they use one hand to push it away, while using the other hand to masturbate to it.
  

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  Dec 14, 2008 11:45 PM GMT

  I don't blame them. It's the reality of life. If you want to survive in this world some times you have to take a less honorable path. Not all of us can be doctors, lawyers, and politicians. Porn pays and seriously as long as you are working for a legit studio who enforces strict sanitation/ health policies... Essentially your are getting paid to have sex on camera. Yeah your reputation will be that of a porn start but you're still a person inside. Being a porn star isn't necessarily who you are. It's what you do.
  
  Seriously listen to this guy. Clearly he is not an intellect and I think he is making the most of what he has by doing porn.
  
  

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  Dec 14, 2008 11:47 PM GMT

  debussy81 saidThey come from their worthless little lives with no ambition and dignity. A few hundred dollars to them is just another bag of cocaine.

  
  
  wow so judgemental!
  
  When I lived in SF I knew several porn stars, they were great guys and none of the ones I knew were drugged out. Several liked and go off on the idea people would be watching them have sex.

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  Dec 14, 2008 11:48 PM GMT

  i have a blog that seeks to address some of the stuff happening on this thread. i work in adult entertainment, and i have many friends who are models in these shoots/films. i think it's important to remember that there wouldn't be anyone doing this work if there weren't a multi-billion dollar demand for it. the price tag attached to it isn't what justifies it, but it is an important point to make: the very people who judge us the harshest are the first ones to buy our wares.
  
  http://www.devonhunter.info/

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  Dec 14, 2008 11:50 PM GMT

  debussy81 saidOh I'm sorry. Yes these "actors" are diligent, hard working individuals. I was so quick to judge. Their parents must be proud!

  
  
  Do you watch porn, buy porn...if you do, then your pathtic for being so judgmental of those guys whom you are jerking off too.

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  Dec 14, 2008 11:54 PM GMT

  GQjock saidZee .. it's a Little more insidious than that
  
  If you had any exposure to it the pay sucks
  The guys are exposed to a lot of drugs
  People fawn over them all the time
  but they get marked from any "legitimate" work as soon as the first loop goes into production
  
  

  
  
  Not only have I been exposed to it; I worked in it for years. The pay is around $200-$400 per day for a man; women can make over $1,000 per day. That's not the greatest pay for a guy, but it ain't chump change either. People fawn all over regular actors as well; even more so for teenage singers; just look at Britney Spears and try to tell me that she, or most of the others of her peers, are doing so well in their legitimate endeavours. But as to getting "marked" from any legitimate production, yes, that can often happen. However, if you are good and talented in other areas, and have a really good agent and a lot of drive, you can definately overcome the stigma. Look at how Robert Downey, Jr. has hit the top of his form lately despite having to deal with FAR more embarrassment than merely a porn actor would. Same with Paul Reubens... after his troubles, he still gets work with DISNEY, of all companies. Jeffery Jones and George Michael, same thing. Far more scandalous situations than doing mere porn. There are plenty of others who have remade themselves, if they just keep at it.
  I worked in porn, mostly as an editor, but I've done my share of posing here and there.
  
  Now, my latest credits include acting in four episodes of THE LAIR, and doing visual effects for STAR TREK NEW VOYAGES.
  
  So, you can work in legitimate film as well as porn. It ain't easy, as I said, but then no career in the film industry is.

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  Dec 14, 2008 11:59 PM GMT

  http://www.devonunter.info/archives/113/ is an entry that specifically addresses options after adult entertainment that are not based on your appearance.

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  Dec 15, 2008 12:01 AM GMT

  zeebyaboi said
  Now, my latest credits include acting in four episodes of THE LAIR...
  

  
  Now, isn't that just soft porn. ;^) (just joking with ya.)

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  Dec 15, 2008 12:03 AM GMT

  NakedDevil said[quote][
  
  Now, my latest credits include acting in four episodes of THE LAIR, and ....

  
  
  Now, isn't that just soft porn. ;^) [just joking with ya.][/quote]
  
  It would only be SOFT if I had been the one taking my clothes off. Then it would have been cancelled! You've heard of a "hard-on?" If I had gotten naked, guys would have gotten a "soft-off!" They left the erotic stuff to guys much sexier and younger than this old Ho.
  
  But, if you're interested, I played Mr. Spivey in this latest season. I get killed by a dangerous plant! But I really got to chew-up some scenery, and got to use a character accent as well, which was great fun.
  
  It was a helluva lot of fun, and in fact porn actor Colton Ford is the star of the show, and you know what? The guy can actually ACT, and is incredibly sweet (and sexy) as well. In fact everyone on the show was wonderful, and totally professional.

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  Dec 15, 2008 12:03 AM GMT

  Porn (AKA lifestyle enhancement films) isn't really taboo nowadays is it?
  I, for one, would rather get exploited in a porno than be exploited by some retail store for that slave-wage they call a paycheck. We are all whores to capitalism.
  

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