bodybuilders/ trainer who know a thing or two, please help....

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    Jan 18, 2014 11:27 PM GMT
    So, I am motivated this year to get a hot/fit body; however, I am against anything that is not natural. That includes steroids, creatine, pre/post workouts and proteins. I don't judge people who do take a little help to get the results faster, each to his own. My body type is naturally skinny and it is hard for me to gain weight. My stats are 22 years old, 158lb on 5.9 tall frame. I workout 5 days a week. My pics are in the profile. So, how long it would take for a guy like me to get a body like the one in the pic.
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    Jan 18, 2014 11:28 PM GMT
    Jeetjeet saidSo, I am motivated this year to get a hot/fit body; however, I am against anything that is not natural. That includes steroids, creatine, pre/post workouts and proteins. I don't judge people who do take a little help to get the results faster, each to his own. My body type is naturally skinny and it is hard for me to gain weight. My stats are 22 years old, 158lb on 5.9 tall frame. I workout 5 days a week. My pics are in the profile. So, how long it would take for a guy like me to get a body like the one in the pic.

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    Jan 18, 2014 11:32 PM GMT

    "Fixed the image for ya"
    lol I was just googling how to do it. Thanks man. So yeah, all the fitness enthusiast out there, how long & is it possible.
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    Jan 18, 2014 11:35 PM GMT
    Do you have access to a gym? Also, how much time are you able to commit per day?
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    Jan 18, 2014 11:36 PM GMT
    yeah, I go to my local gym five times a week and an hour each time. It's been a month like this. Time is not an issue as I am collage student.
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    Jan 19, 2014 12:11 AM GMT
    Taking protein is still natural. If you want to build mass, you need to eat a lot more and thats where protein shakes come in. Cuz you can't possibly eat that much chicken breast within the course of a day.
  • jo2hotbod

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    Jan 19, 2014 12:14 AM GMT
    It's going to be hard to condition your body to the likeness of the one above without using supplements, they are not considered unnatural so I don't know what you have against using them
  • Webster666

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    Jan 19, 2014 12:38 AM GMT
    If you're doing everything correctly, you could have it within a year.
    1) Split routine (Do half your body parts on Monday/Thursday and the other half on Tuesday/Friday. Do sit ups each workout day, before your workout.
    2) Use good form (Learn how to do the exercises correctly).
    3) Push yourself to lift heavier weights (still using good form).
    4) EAT.
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    Jan 19, 2014 2:04 AM GMT
    - What natural procedure are you using to brush your teeth?
    - What natural procedure are you using to wash your hair?
    - What natural procedure do you use to go to work or school? God forbid you use unnatural things like cars or buses!
    - Are your teeth straight? Got it straightened? God forbid you use something unnatural like braces!
    - Ever got some serious bacterial infection? I'm sure you never resorted to artificially produced antibiotics, not to mention most medicines.
    - What natural foods have you ingested in the last 10 years to get this "skinny" body you have? I'm sure during all this time you never consumed unnatural things like sodas, artificially sweetened foods and beverages, salty snacks, fast foods and a range of artificial foods. I'm sure you must be 100% vegan, unless you eat meat that you obtained by killing the animal with your natural bare hands -- God forbid the animal is killed by artificial (but merciful) means like electrocution followed by unconsciousness.

    There is something very naive in every person who defends an "absolutely natural" approach to anything.

    PS: recommended reading on this subject: The Decay of Lying by Oscar Wilde
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    Jan 19, 2014 2:10 AM GMT
    jo2hotbod saidIt's going to be hard to condition your body to the likeness of the one above without using supplements, they are not considered unnatural so I don't know what you have against using them

    first of all whoa! It's not like i'm against em, I mean my brother is built and he uses ALL the supplements. But then there are days when he stops working out for a week and just bloats. So, yeah I want something natural that would take a little longer going down. But nonetheless if you were here in Vancouver you would've gotten a muscle worshiper lol.
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    Jan 19, 2014 2:19 AM GMT
    bachian said- What natural procedure are you using to brush your teeth?
    - What natural procedure are you using to wash your hair?
    - What natural procedure do you use to go to work or school? God forbid you use unnatural things like cars or buses!
    - Are your teeth straight? Got it straightened? God forbid you use something unnatural like braces!
    - Ever got some serious bacterial infection? I'm sure you never resorted to artificially produced antibiotics, not to mention most medicines.
    - What natural foods have you ingested in the last 10 years to get this "skinny" body you have? I'm sure during all this time you never consumed unnatural things like sodas, artificially sweetened foods and beverages, salty snacks, fast foods and a range of artificial foods. I'm sure you must be 100% vegan, unless you eat meat that you obtained by killing the animal with your natural bare hands -- God forbid the animal is killed by artificial (but merciful) means like electrocution followed by unconsciousness.

    There is something very naive in every person who defends an "absolutely natural" approach to anything.

    PS: recommended reading on this subject: The Decay of Lying by Oscar Wilde


    Kudos to you bro for improving your body like that. See, I would be happy to have a body like yours. Now coming down to what you said, I do half the things naturally what you mentioned in the list and other half made me realized my silliness, lol. So, did you take supplements? And I would definitely check out The Decay of Lying.
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    Jan 19, 2014 2:20 AM GMT
    Webster666 saidIf you're doing everything correctly, you could have it within a year.
    1) Split routine (Do half your body parts on Monday/Thursday and the other half on Tuesday/Friday. Do sit ups each workout day, before your workout.
    2) Use good form (Learn how to do the exercises correctly).
    3) Push yourself to lift heavier weights (still using good form).
    4) EAT.


    I'll try the sit ups tip, rest I am trying to do my best.
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    Jan 19, 2014 4:34 AM GMT
    Jeetjeet saidKudos to you bro for improving your body like that. See, I would be happy to have a body like yours. Now coming down to what you said, I do half the things naturally what you mentioned in the list and other half made me realized my silliness, lol. So, did you take supplements? And I would definitely check out The Decay of Lying.


    I take many supplements! Without maltodextrin, dextrose and whey protein, it would be nearly impossible to ingest the 5000Kcals (plus all protein and fats) I need to keep my mass from being devoured by my metabolism. I don't have the appetite to eat this much. I wouldn't be able to work. To provide my current diet through natural means, I would need plantations of cashew, almond, corn, olive, banana, beet, sweet potato, apple, orange, strawberry, açaí berry, plus a few chickens and cows (for meat, eggs and milk), plus a salmon pond and a tuna pond to top if off -- all at my disposal every single day. I would have to be a damn good farmer and I would work all day just to produce my food! Don't get me started on what natural means I would use to make these plantations produce regardless of season! icon_lol.gif

    Since your frame is not too big and your goal isn't too muscular, maybe you can get away with not using any supplements. Taller men or those who want more muscularity are obliged. Just be ready to eat chicken and sweet potatoes all day, not to mention the time to prepare them...
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    Jan 19, 2014 4:56 AM GMT
    [quote]Taller men or those who want more muscularity are obliged[/quote]
    just saw that you are 6.2". Well your hard work it paying off nice man. Keep up the good work. If I ever get a chance to visit Brazil, I won't mind to sweat it out with you...lol.
  • mmmship

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    Jan 19, 2014 5:06 AM GMT
    Know a thing or two? It's a strange way to put it.

    You workout 5 times a week? Really? How long has it been? Since the beginning of 2014? What "workout" are you doing to develop that body? Don't put it all on the diet yet.

    Judging from ur build, I would suggest you take up crossfit. If it's not for you, try mui Thai or some type of boxing class. Heck, yoga class. Learn how to elongate and squeeze your muscles.

    Supplements. Whey protein is derived from cows milk. How is it unnatural? You don't have to use the protein that have every bcaa added to it. You have options. Go visit your local organic stores before you say these things are "unnatural".
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    Jan 19, 2014 5:50 AM GMT
    mmmship saidKnow a thing or two? It's a strange way to put it.

    You workout 5 times a week? Really? How long has it been? Since the beginning of 2014? What "workout" are you doing to develop that body? Don't put it all on the diet yet.

    Judging from ur build, I would suggest you take up crossfit. If it's not for you, try mui Thai or some type of boxing class. Heck, yoga class. Learn how to elongate and squeeze your muscles.

    Supplements. Whey protein is derived from cows milk. How is it unnatural? You don't have to use the protein that have every bcaa added to it. You have options. Go visit your local organic stores before you say these things are "unnatural".


    Thanks for tough love mate! I'll ask the trainer at my gym if they provide crossfit classes. Don't know what 'elongate' means but i'll google it. Thanks man.
  • mmmship

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    Jan 19, 2014 5:58 AM GMT
    No problem man.

    No, gyms DONT offer crossfit classes. It is a separate entity all by itself. Just google crossfit near you. It is not something a typical gym has the space for.

    Once you are a bit settled with a training regiment, you will want to adjust your diet to a new you. Then, you ask what you should eat and avoid eating. Sometimes, you have to make conscious change to your body first and then react. And sometimes you want to be proactive but that is when u already know what to do.

    You have lots to learn. Don't get discouraged!
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    Jan 19, 2014 7:48 PM GMT
    Crossfit looks very promising, but it's expensive for me. The mandatory foundation course is $280 + tax! Then it moves to average of $140/month across all the gyms here in Surrey BC
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    Jan 20, 2014 8:15 AM GMT
    You can get pretty ripped just doing push ups, cycling, and lifting weights.
    You don't really ever even need to step foot in a gym, technically. My old man has NEVER been to a gym and he's huge. Partly genetics though.
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    Jan 20, 2014 7:36 PM GMT
    Ajjax saidYou can get pretty ripped just doing push ups, cycling, and lifting weights.
    You don't really ever even need to step foot in a gym, technically. My old man has NEVER been to a gym and he's huge. Partly genetics though.


    I know genetics play a critical part. There were guys in high schools who wouldn't even put that much effort in sports or workout, but their bodies were naturally cut and fit. Kind of unfair to some extent. But there are guys who are like me, who were naturally skinny and got huge by pushing hard. So, there is no excuse.
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    Jan 20, 2014 7:37 PM GMT
    stacked312 said1.Creatine is natural, u naturally produce it. 2. I'd get a personal trainer and enter a training program so u can learn proper form and safety, to get the most of out of your workouts, and develop properly.


    I wish I could afford a trainer bro. Oh well...
  • strikerfan24

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    Jan 20, 2014 8:45 PM GMT
    I used to be a little bigger about 5 years ago, 190 lbs but more fat with some strength behind it, and was able to change my body almost completely. It does help that I still play sports competitively but thats more so for my cardio than strength.

    As far as working out, when I was bigger I started out with a lot of high rep, low(er) weight workouts. High intensity - meaning little breaks in between sets. A lot of supersets and/or circuit workouts. That should help build a base and foundation of strength and muscle stamina. YOu can also do body weight workouts (push ups, pull ups, chin ups, dips). Throw in some ab workouts.

    Hit the treadmill/bike.

    And of course, your food intake.

    As said above, your body generates creatine - so it's natural to take it, not harmful at all. Neither is protein - I've never taken protein and have only taken creatine for like 5 years ago when I truly started working out.

    After building that foundation, I started to do a lot more heavier, slower paced workouts to really build my strength.

    Hope that helps
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    Jan 20, 2014 11:30 PM GMT
    Strikerfan24 saidI used to be a little bigger about 5 years ago, 190 lbs but more fat with some strength behind it, and was able to change my body almost completely. It does help that I still play sports competitively but thats more so for my cardio than strength.

    As far as working out, when I was bigger I started out with a lot of high rep, low(er) weight workouts. High intensity - meaning little breaks in between sets. A lot of supersets and/or circuit workouts. That should help build a base and foundation of strength and muscle stamina. YOu can also do body weight workouts (push ups, pull ups, chin ups, dips). Throw in some ab workouts.

    Hit the treadmill/bike.

    And of course, your food intake.

    As said above, your body generates creatine - so it's natural to take it, not harmful at all. Neither is protein - I've never taken protein and have only taken creatine for like 5 years ago when I truly started working out.

    After building that foundation, I started to do a lot more heavier, slower paced workouts to really build my strength.

    Hope that helps

    Very insightful and ur stats are killer. So break the myth for me, is easier for heavy guys to become fit or skinny guys.
  • strikerfan24

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    Jan 21, 2014 3:28 AM GMT
    Jeetjeet said
    Strikerfan24 saidI used to be a little bigger about 5 years ago, 190 lbs but more fat with some strength behind it, and was able to change my body almost completely. It does help that I still play sports competitively but thats more so for my cardio than strength.

    As far as working out, when I was bigger I started out with a lot of high rep, low(er) weight workouts. High intensity - meaning little breaks in between sets. A lot of supersets and/or circuit workouts. That should help build a base and foundation of strength and muscle stamina. YOu can also do body weight workouts (push ups, pull ups, chin ups, dips). Throw in some ab workouts.

    Hit the treadmill/bike.

    And of course, your food intake.

    As said above, your body generates creatine - so it's natural to take it, not harmful at all. Neither is protein - I've never taken protein and have only taken creatine for like 5 years ago when I truly started working out.

    After building that foundation, I started to do a lot more heavier, slower paced workouts to really build my strength.

    Hope that helps

    Very insightful and ur stats are killer. So break the myth for me, is easier for heavy guys to become fit or skinny guys.


    Meant that I've only taken creatine once 5 years ago.

    It depends on your definition of fit and what you're trying to do. If to gain muscle and strength, I'd say that it's generally easier for heavier guys to do so because you already have the "meat" and weight that you can convert to muscle. Some skinner guys have a hard time gaining weight and takes them longer. Again, its what you're goal is.