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"For the first time in American history, a gay and lesbian band will be marching in a presidential inauguration."
Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 12:05 AM GMT "Barack Obama's Presidential Inaugural Committee has chosen the Lesbian and Gay Band Association, with members from across the country, to march in the inaugural parade in Washington on Jan. 20." http://www.ktvu.com/news/18272695/detail.html

Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 12:15 AM GMT That's happy news for a change! I do hope it's more on the promise rather than simply a mollifier on the prop 8 debacle though. Ok I'm just being pessimistic. Ignore me. This really is good news and spells better times for the GLBT rights campaign.
Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 12:25 AM GMT I think it is a way to send a signal about the attitude of this president....are ya listening Joint Chiefs of Staff???
Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 6:12 AM GMT Wow. This is great news. Thanks for the heads up Caslon.
CuriousJockAZ Posts: 3653	Dec 15, 2008 6:20 AM GMT Like no one "gay" in a marching band has ever been in an inaugural parade before???? Oh, that's right, we "gays" have to be labeled --- "The GAY & LESBIAN Marching Band". Is it just me or does this just seem silly? I don't see any groups called say "The Straight Baton Twirlers". Well, okay, admittedly, no one would ever believe that, but you get my point
Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 6:23 AM GMT CuriousJockAZ saidLike no one "gay" in a marching band has ever been in an inaugural parade before???? Oh, that's right, we "gays" have to be labeled --- "The GAY & LESBIAN Marching Band". Is it just me or does this just seem silly? I don't see any groups called say "The Straight Baton Twirlers". Well, okay, admittedly, no one would ever believe that, but you get my point Is it just me or does it seem silly for you to be on a site called "real jock: gay fitness health and life"? I mean you don't see any sites labeled "real jock: straight fitness health and life."
iguanaSF Posts: 1222	Dec 15, 2008 6:26 AM GMT CuriousJockAZ saidLike no one "gay" in a marching band has ever been in an inaugural parade before???? Oh, that's right, we "gays" have to be labeled --- "The GAY & LESBIAN Marching Band". Is it just me or does this just seem silly? I don't see any groups called say "The Straight Baton Twirlers". Well, okay, admittedly, no one would ever believe that, but you get my point Yeah. It's so much better if no gay or lesbian individual or group is ever labeled as such. It's much better if we just stay quiet about it. Then maybe everyone won't hate us as much* * Note to the reader: the above post, like all my others, is heavily ironic.
Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 6:35 AM GMT thats really cool news to hear. lol i like the part about how the Redwood high school band had no real idea they were even in the running. "Hey, btw, the White House called....we gotta go to DC in January.."
Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 6:36 AM GMT Caslon, it is a nice article... CuriousJockAZ have a good point though. Aren't we all human beings? It doesn't matter about people "Orientation." At the pride, there was no group of people "straight or gay or transsexual." People are people. Why do you want to separate them from homosexual people?
CuriousJockAZ Posts: 3653	Dec 15, 2008 6:39 AM GMT iguanaSF said CuriousJockAZ saidLike no one "gay" in a marching band has ever been in an inaugural parade before???? Oh, that's right, we "gays" have to be labeled --- "The GAY & LESBIAN Marching Band". Is it just me or does this just seem silly? I don't see any groups called say "The Straight Baton Twirlers". Well, okay, admittedly, no one would ever believe that, but you get my point Yeah. It's so much better if no gay or lesbian individual or group is ever labeled as such. It's much better if we just stay quiet about it. Then maybe everyone won't hate us as much* * Note to the reader: the above post, like all my others, is heavily ironic. Oh God, not another victim? Do you really feel like everybody hates you? Poor baby.
Sean85 Posts: 1951	Dec 15, 2008 6:46 AM GMT How do we get noticed for being gay and no different unless we stand out first? Don't we need to show people who we are to get respect before we can just blend into the background like everyone else and be "normal"? So people see the only difference is that we fuck the same sex..
Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 6:48 AM GMT CuriousJockAZ said iguanaSF said CuriousJockAZ saidLike no one "gay" in a marching band has ever been in an inaugural parade before???? Oh, that's right, we "gays" have to be labeled --- "The GAY & LESBIAN Marching Band". Is it just me or does this just seem silly? I don't see any groups called say "The Straight Baton Twirlers". Well, okay, admittedly, no one would ever believe that, but you get my point Yeah. It's so much better if no gay or lesbian individual or group is ever labeled as such. It's much better if we just stay quiet about it. Then maybe everyone won't hate us as much* * Note to the reader: the above post, like all my others, is heavily ironic. Oh God, not another victim? Do you really feel like everybody hates you? Poor baby. Oh damn Republican! lol Don't be mean... iguanaSF is really a sweet guy. Only those who hate us are Homophobia freaks.
gymguy2k Posts: 53	Dec 15, 2008 6:53 AM GMT CuriousJockAZ saidLike no one "gay" in a marching band has ever been in an inaugural parade before???? Oh, that's right, we "gays" have to be labeled --- "The GAY & LESBIAN Marching Band". Is it just me or does this just seem silly? I don't see any groups called say "The Straight Baton Twirlers". Well, okay, admittedly, no one would ever believe that, but you get my point No, I don't get your point. Could it be that you're still the most self-loathing "gay" man on here? Straights don't have to label themselves because it is always assumed everyone is straight. That's why anything otherwise is such a shock---yet! I could see your point of eventually not having to need such labels, but until then, you're not helping by playing the "special" card. We're not there yet buddy. Let's have a first ever "gay and lesbian" marching band. Could I possibly ask another "gay" man to allow it and then we'll be done with the precident?
Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 6:55 AM GMT Still waiting for you explanation for being on a gay fitness site, Curious. You need to hide out here from the big, bad straight boys on the other sites? Another victim? Do you really feel everybody hates you? Poor little thing.
Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 7:06 AM GMT CuriousJockAZ saidLike no one "gay" in a marching band has ever been in an inaugural parade before???? Oh, that's right, we "gays" have to be labeled --- "The GAY & LESBIAN Marching Band". Is it just me or does this just seem silly? I don't see any groups called say "The Straight Baton Twirlers". Well, okay, admittedly, no one would ever believe that, but you get my point LMAO I agree. Labels... I started a thread about that a week or so ago. Really just to be in the parade is an honor. How does identifying your group as gays and lesbians makes you any more special... You're still human after all. I hope some dumb ass doesn't use this as an opportunity to make a personal statement.
gymguy2k Posts: 53	Dec 15, 2008 7:30 AM GMT slapaho18 said CuriousJockAZ saidLike no one "gay" in a marching band has ever been in an inaugural parade before???? Oh, that's right, we "gays" have to be labeled --- "The GAY & LESBIAN Marching Band". Is it just me or does this just seem silly? I don't see any groups called say "The Straight Baton Twirlers". Well, okay, admittedly, no one would ever believe that, but you get my point LMAO I agree. Labels... I started a thread about that a week or so ago. Really just to be in the parade is an honor. How does identifying your group as gays and lesbians makes you any more special... You're still human after all. I hope some dumb ass doesn't use this as an opportunity to make a personal statement. But we're not at the point yet where being gay doesn't make any difference. I wish we were. But until then, how does finally being included as who you are mean "special"? We're still human after all? Not to enough people yet, I'm afraid. You guys talk like complete indifference is here. It's not. I believe they're still voting inequality into the law lately. I can see Curious in AZ is all shook up about it and I'm sure he did his best to help in Arizona.
iguanaSF Posts: 1222	Dec 15, 2008 9:27 AM GMT CuriousJockAZ saidOh God, not another victim? Do you really feel like everybody hates you? Poor baby. Yes, you've pegged me perfectly. It's amazing how well you characterize people. Why, just today I was walking down the sidewalk here and these scary straight boys LOOKED at me. I saw them whispering to each other. I KNEW it was about me. And just because I walk with a little swish in my hips. I was really afraid they were going to do something VIOLENT! I had my hand on my pink whistle, just in case. I was praying to Madonna (you know which one) that some big strong man would rescue me. Luckily nothing happened but it was SO CLOSE I ALMOST FAINTED! I often spend my days in fear of straight people. I log in here for comfort. I wish I had a big strong man like you to protect me! Someone who doesn't need to label himself gay. Someone who rejects labels! Oh, I'm so weak!* * Note to the reader: This post, like all my others, is heavily ironic. However, for those readers who confidently and repeatedly predicted a McCain victory, in the face of a tidal wave of opposing facts, please read the post any way you'd like, as it doesn't really matter what I say.
Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 2:54 PM GMT Reasons for having a gay & lesbian band (or a chorus, of which I'm a member): 1. Because you get to be out. Some straight bands & vocal groups won't accept a gay member, or they harass them, especially in high schools. A few of our own choral members were refused membership for being gay when they wanted to sing in church-affiliated choirs here, so they joined us instead, where they know their orientation is welcome. 2. It gives us continued visibility, at this time of gay rights struggle. And to be granted this Inaugural honor makes us appear "legitimate" and more mainstream in society, rather than marginal. Good PR is better than hiding silently in the shadows, out of sight-out of mind, if we want civil rights gains. 3. A marching band is a better public image, than a pride parade float carrying barely-clad club bois in glitter paint. And the one in question here is excellent. 4. The very fact that there is a separate gay band, rather than gay musicians integrated into other bands, might remind the public why we find this necessary, because of discrimination & hatred against us.
Ducky46 Posts: 2604	Dec 15, 2008 3:30 PM GMT You tell'em RED!
CuriousJockAZ Posts: 3653	Dec 15, 2008 3:56 PM GMT ObsceneWish saidStill waiting for you explanation for being on a gay fitness site, Curious. You need to hide out here from the big, bad straight boys on the other sites? Another victim? Do you really feel everybody hates you? Poor little thing. Not even remotely self-loathing, very comfortable in my own skin, and I don't walk around thinking the whole world hates me cuz I am gay thank you very much. I'm here on RealJock cuz I like it...ya gotta problem with that?
CuriousJockAZ Posts: 3653	Dec 15, 2008 4:05 PM GMT gymguy2k saidI believe they're still voting inequality into the law lately. I can see Curious in AZ is all shook up about it and I'm sure he did his best to help in Arizona. To be honest, I wasn't really affected one way or the other by it personally. Sure, I was disappointed that the vote went the way it did mostly for those who it is important to. Whether or not I can marry another man could not be of less importance in my life personally. Hey, I get it, it means a great deal to many of you -- go knock yourselves out. When the people vote, things don't always go the way you want it on any variety of issues. However, we live in a democracy, that's just the way it goes, that is, until it comes up for vote the next time around. Then, perhaps it will go differently, and I hope it does. I'm not going to apologize because the issue of "gay marriage" is not something that I am passionate about one way or the other.
CuriousJockAZ Posts: 3653	Dec 15, 2008 4:07 PM GMT iguanaSF said CuriousJockAZ saidOh God, not another victim? Do you really feel like everybody hates you? Poor baby. Yes, you've pegged me perfectly. It's amazing how well you characterize people. Why, just today I was walking down the sidewalk here and these scary straight boys LOOKED at me. I saw them whispering to each other. I KNEW it was about me. And just because I walk with a little swish in my hips. I was really afraid they were going to do something VIOLENT! I had my hand on my pink whistle, just in case. I was praying to Madonna (you know which one) that some big strong man would rescue me. Luckily nothing happened but it was SO CLOSE I ALMOST FAINTED! I often spend my days in fear of straight people. I log in here for comfort. I wish I had a big strong man like you to protect me! Someone who doesn't need to label himself gay. Someone who rejects labels! Oh, I'm so weak!* * Note to the reader: This post, like all my others, is heavily ironic. However, for those readers who confidently and repeatedly predicted a McCain victory, in the face of a tidal wave of opposing facts, please read the post any way you'd like, as it doesn't really matter what I say. Well, I didn't say you were weak...but you might want to ditch the pink whistle
Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 4:08 PM GMT CuriousJockAZ saidNot even remotely self-loathing, very comfortable in my own skin, and I don't walk around thinking the whole world hates me cuz I am gay thank you very much. I'm here on RealJock cuz I like it...ya gotta problem with that? Nope, Mr. Eyeroll. Couldn't care less about your participation in a very gay, very public health and fitness site. Nor could I care less about a band whose members are all gay. But I'm not sure how you can decide the band members are "silly" while your own participation in a gay organization exempts you from the same characterization. But you're not required to extend to others the same generosity with which you treat yourself. Cue icon:
CuriousJockAZ Posts: 3653	Dec 15, 2008 4:15 PM GMT ObsceneWish said CuriousJockAZ saidNot even remotely self-loathing, very comfortable in my own skin, and I don't walk around thinking the whole world hates me cuz I am gay thank you very much. I'm here on RealJock cuz I like it...ya gotta problem with that? Nope, Mr. Eyeroll. Couldn't care less about your participation in a very gay, very public health and fitness site. Nor could I care less about a band whose members are all gay. But I'm not sure how you can decide the band members are "silly" while your own participation in a gay organization exempts you from the same characterization. But you're not required to extend to others the same generosity with which you treat yourself. Cue icon: I didn't say they were "silly" for being in the band, I said I thought it was silly to have to label it "The Gay & Lesbian Marching Band" for the same reason it would be silly to label another band "The Straight Men & Women Marching Band". When I'm at a parade watching the marching bands, personally, I don't give a fuck if the marching band members are straight, gay, or whatever. Why it has to be announced by ANY group is what I find silly. Just march for god's sake, I don't need to know who you prefer having sex with.
Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 4:46 PM GMT CuriousJockAZ said I didn't say they were "silly" for being in the band, I said I thought it was silly to have to label it "The Gay & Lesbian Marching Band" for the same reason it would be silly to label another band "The Straight Men & Women Marching Band". When I'm at a parade watching the marching bands, personally, I don't give a fuck if the marching band members are straight, gay, or whatever. Why it has to be announced by ANY group is what I find silly. Just march for god's sake, I don't need to know who you prefer having sex with. Well since you don't understand why it's necessary, let's have an explanation: Visibility (labels) leads to recognition and awareness. Awareness goes one of two ways, opposition or support, history reveals that support is usually the winner when it comes to civil rights and liberties. Never in history has any group received rights or privileges that didn't fight for them; becoming clearly visible and even quite garish in the public eye. You seem to believe that we can quietly become equals in the eyes of the law but what you don't realize is that society is a completely different animal from the individuals you interact with on a daily basis. Gays and Lesbians cannot blend in yet. You might not like it or agree with it but for the time being it is unavoidable. To achieve equality we must show ourselves off as productive members of society. A marching band is a great way to do that, it is much more wholesome and American than a gay pride parade ( I myself can't wait for them to evolve into a more mature and respectable event). You want us to blend in and not have to label ourselves as anything? Then you need to help us fight to get to that point because we aren't there yet.
DiverScience Posts: 1301	Dec 15, 2008 5:04 PM GMT Caslon8000 said"Barack Obama's Presidential Inaugural Committee has chosen the Lesbian and Gay Band Association, with members from across the country, to march in the inaugural parade in Washington on Jan. 20." http://www.ktvu.com/news/18272695/detail.html My friend's doing the choreographing/planning for that group
Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 8:11 PM GMT CuriousI didn't say they were "silly" for being in the band, I said I thought it was silly to have to label it "The Gay & Lesbian Marching Band" for the same reason it would be silly to label another band "The Straight Men & Women Marching Band". When I'm at a parade watching the marching bands, personally, I don't give a fuck if the marching band members are straight, gay, or whatever. Why it has to be announced by ANY group is what I find silly. Just march for god's sake, I don't need to know who you prefer having sex wit Oh, that explains it. It's silly for them to choose the label. They're not silly. It's silly that they're choosing to announce it. But they're not silly. What ever. You're not silly for belonging to a gay fitness site. It's silly for the site to label itself this way. Have I got it now?
GQjock Posts: 5769	Dec 15, 2008 8:27 PM GMT Wow ... what a great honor and to be seen out in the open and standing tall at one of the Most Prestigious inauguratiobns in recent history .... and to have certain people who call themselves gay questioning it really disturbs me WTF? We get a moment to shine and you all some people can say is that "there have been gay baton twirlers before" ??????? That I expect to hear from teenagers who pee in their pants when they have their sexuality questioned not from a supposed proud gay man
McGay Posts: 5115	Dec 15, 2008 8:29 PM GMT
Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 8:36 PM GMT What the fuck. How can a marching band be controversial? Frankly, I am stymied. If they want to call themselves the Carpet Munching Bagel Bitches Basically Dykey Doodling Doorstops what difference does it make? Why do the ten self-proclaimed Conservative Republicans get to transform every hang-nail and love-lorn-teenage crush into an occasion for some wailing screed against what-the-fuck ever. Your conservative, you like dick, you don't want to be called gay, you don't like liberalism (whatever that is), and you do like conservatism (whatever that is). Alright already, we get it. We got it a year ago. Coke or Pepsi, lets have a fucking humorless debate like it is the end of the god-damned world if some faggots want to march around with a tuba stuck in their mouth and blast John Philip Souza at the new President. What is up with the Southwest these days. Every second cum-guzzling bitch all of the sudden thinks they are Onan the Barbarian. You boys need a UN airdrop of dildos and xanax stat. Sheesh, Christ almighty GOD in heaven it is a MARCHING BAND. OF COURSE THEY ARE GAY.
Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 8:42 PM GMT samerphx saidCaslon, it is a nice article... CuriousJockAZ have a good point though. Aren't we all human beings? It doesn't matter about people "Orientation." At the pride, there was no group of people "straight or gay or transsexual." People are people. Why do you want to separate them from homosexual people? I dont want to separate them as people. Society has separated us as homosexuals. If society stopped distinguishing us and stopped discriminating against us as people, then there would be no separation. And we wouldnt have to be invited as a gay band to demonstrate the president-elects support of equal participation in our society by all.
Hidden member	Dec 15, 2008 9:03 PM GMT President-Elect Obama is not the first President of the United States but he is the first Black President. Sorry but that is historic. So is the marching band.
CuriousJockAZ Posts: 3653	Dec 15, 2008 10:57 PM GMT GQjock saidWow ... what a great honor and to be seen out in the open and standing tall at one of the Most Prestigious inauguratiobns in recent history .... and to have certain people who call themselves gay questioning it really disturbs me WTF? We get a moment to shine and you all some people can say is that "there have been gay baton twirlers before" ??????? That I expect to hear from teenagers who pee in their pants when they have their sexuality questioned not from a supposed proud gay man Man, some of you really take this GAY thing seriously. If that's your thing, hey, it's cool. March in the parade, wave rainbow flags, paste pink triangles all over yourselves, WHATever, it's all good. Just don't get your panties in a wad if not every gay on the planet feels the need, or desire, to shout their gayness from the rooftops to anyone who will listen. We are all entitled to be GAY in whatever degree we see fit that works for us personally.
McGay Posts: 5115	Dec 15, 2008 11:04 PM GMT That's right, some of us are darned right happy to be bashed and disrespected. If not for that, we'd get no attention at all.
iguanaSF Posts: 1222	Dec 16, 2008 12:41 AM GMT CuriousJockAZ saidWe are all entitled to be GAY in whatever degree we see fit that works for us personally. I think most of us would totally agree with you on that point. But then I get all confused when you chimed in on this pleasant discussion, not with "hey, to each his own, whatever works for him personally, but I'd never join a gay marching band", but with: CuriousJockAZ saidLike no one "gay" in a marching band has ever been in an inaugural parade before???? Oh, that's right, we "gays" have to be labeled --- "The GAY & LESBIAN Marching Band". Is it just me or does this just seem silly? I don't see any groups called say "The Straight Baton Twirlers". Well, okay, admittedly, no one would ever believe that, but you get my point. With your patented condescending eye roll added for extra vinegar. Yours was a judgmental and inflammatory statement that didn't seem to be in the spirit of "whatever works for us personally." I don't recall anyone in this thread slamming people for NOT joining a gay marching band. If you REALLY believe that "we are all entitled to be GAY in whatever degree we see fit that works for us personally" then I don't understand why you and slaphappyho never miss an opportunity to tut tut and eye roll whenever anyone feels proud to have the opportunity to say they are out and gay. Nobody is asking you to get your "panties in a wad" or "play the victim" or be a "baby" or be "self loathing" or not be "comfortable in your skin" or to "apologize for the way you are" or "wave rainbow flags" or "shout your gayness from the rooftops" or "paste pink triangles all over themselves". These are all YOUR issues (quoted from this thread). Real mavericks don't have to declare themselves mavericks or constantly remind everyone else they are not mavericks. People who are REALLY comfortable with who they are never have to post snipey comments with elementary school playground taunts to show how "comfortable with themselves" they are and how everyone else isn't. I'll come right out and say it: you have a textbook case of homophobia. I recommend some desensitization therapy with a pack of fierce, glitter-laden, rainbow-flag-waving, eye-gouging drag queens ASAP.
Hidden member	Dec 16, 2008 12:46 AM GMT CuriousJockAZ said gymguy2k saidI believe they're still voting inequality into the law lately. I can see Curious in AZ is all shook up about it and I'm sure he did his best to help in Arizona. To be honest, I wasn't really affected one way or the other by it personally. Sure, I was disappointed that the vote went the way it did mostly for those who it is important to. Whether or not I can marry another man could not be of less importance in my life personally. Hey, I get it, it means a great deal to many of you -- go knock yourselves out. When the people vote, things don't always go the way you want it on any variety of issues. However, we live in a democracy, that's just the way it goes, that is, until it comes up for vote the next time around. Then, perhaps it will go differently, and I hope it does. I'm not going to apologize because the issue of "gay marriage" is not something that I am passionate about one way or the other. You have to be the dumbest human being known to man. there are easily over 1100 reason why the ability to marry a man affects you. You are mildly pretty but your ignorance and stupidity takes that glaze away quite fast.
Hidden member	Dec 16, 2008 2:45 AM GMT "The GAY & LESBIAN Marching Band". Is it just me or does this just seem silly" ....so does this mean gay parades should re-named after a corporation, like, er, Macy's? We're thinking someone's not quite out of the closet.
Miasma Posts: 590	Jan 07, 2009 1:59 AM GMT He'll give us this little joy but still deprive us of rights sarcastically applauds
auryn Posts: 1883	Jan 07, 2009 3:18 AM GMT Miasma saidHe'll give us this little joy but still deprive us of rights sarcastically applauds

Hidden member	Jan 07, 2009 3:34 AM GMT Yeah, sorry, Curious but I'm 100% with Iguana and Obscene and the others on this one. You wouldn't be able to get on with your quiet little gay life if brave men and women hadn't stood up to incredible discrimination and hatred and identified themselves with pride as gay men and lesbians. There'd be no circuit parties, no gay clubs, no gay bookstores and you could be locked up in prison for a lot of years if you were found having bumsex. If you think for a second that homphobia dried up and died the day you bought your first tight-fitting calvins you're in for a surprise. Gaybashing continues, recall that lesbian was just gang raped, transgender kids get murdered, our rights are still denied us. And Obama invites Rick Warren to speak for the fundies...and we get a marching band.