What happens in the womb can make you gay?

  • Paperless_Pen

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    Jan 19, 2014 5:46 PM GMT
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10582504/Smoking-increases-chances-of-child-being-gay-in-adulthood.html

    Thoughts?
    My mum was very healthy when she was pregnant...
  • Tropicalcium

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    Jan 19, 2014 6:09 PM GMT
    Everyone is different. Everyone wants explanations why it happens. Many straight men just want to have sex with women all the time. It's a biological impulse. It happens. Not everyone is "normal".
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    Jan 19, 2014 6:10 PM GMT

    Their pregnant Moms listened to showtunes.
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    Jan 19, 2014 6:13 PM GMT


    Seriously, smoking has been on the decline since I was young. Logic would dictate that by now, then, there would a lot less gay people than there were in the mid 20th century.
  • MikeW

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    Jan 19, 2014 6:38 PM GMT
    Paperless_Pen saidThoughts?

    Kind of a non-article. Is anyone surprised that a toxic intrauterine environment could have a deleterious affect on a developing fetus? What is more bothersome is that 'gay' is tossed in the mix of pathologies with "increased risk" of occurrence, along with lowered IQ and autism. Even the neuroscientist quoted knows "increased risk" is not causation, as evidenced by the last and least read paragraph:

    Swaab said lifestyle factors are just one influence, with genetics playing the most important role, but said the research proves that the development of the brain during pregnancy is directly linked to adult lifestyles.


    No reference to the research is cited.
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    Jan 19, 2014 6:38 PM GMT
    This just in from the New England Journal of Medicine:

    "Higher outcomes of homosexuality have been reported in fetuses developing in prenatal environments where the uterine walls were papered in florals."
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    Jan 19, 2014 6:42 PM GMT
    Dick Swaab
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    Jan 19, 2014 7:49 PM GMT
    This is an old theory that's been around for awhile. I heard it years ago.

    Years ago there was also a German researcher saying that homosexuality is the result of genetics. He believed (i.e., hadn't proven) that it came from the mother's genes.

    I agree with Pazzy that it's disturbing that it's treated as some abnormality, but I think we're stuck with that.

    I read an article that showed a study in India and they correlated abortions with gender testing. If the parents had tested and the fetus was a girl they were much more likely to get an abortion than when it was a boy. If there was a test for homosexuality in the fetus I don't doubt that many/most parents would opt for an abortion.
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    Jan 19, 2014 7:53 PM GMT
    I find the argument that homosexuality is caused by genes more appealing than the argument that it's caused by environment (womb or later).

    But there was a thread here about identical twins and there was at least one guy who had an identical twin who wasn't gay. Kind of throws a monkey wrench in both arguments.
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    Jan 19, 2014 8:51 PM GMT
    Attempted abortions and your parents having sex and saying dirty things.
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    Jan 19, 2014 9:04 PM GMT
    Crap, can't you just be born gay naturally and that's it? Can it not just be a case of your pre-determined destiny? A random outcome?
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    Jan 19, 2014 9:17 PM GMT
    eagermuscle saidThis just in from the New England Journal of Medicine:

    "Higher outcomes of homosexuality have been reported in fetuses developing in prenatal environments where the uterine walls were papered in florals."


    Thank you... coffee went shooting out of my nose when I read this. Thank you for the best laugh I've had all week, *AND* for clearing my sinuses.

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    Jan 19, 2014 9:35 PM GMT
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    eagermuscle saidThis just in from the New England Journal of Medicine:

    "Higher outcomes of homosexuality have been reported in fetuses developing in prenatal environments where the uterine walls were papered in florals."


    Thank you... coffee went shooting out of my nose when I read this. Thank you for the best laugh I've had all week, *AND* for clearing my sinuses.

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    If the original cocked-up article came from Amsterdam University College, I can see why it's such a joke! If it's University of Amsterdam, then, I have no excuse for the idiocy of my countrymen!

    Having said that, I do have two older brothers! icon_eek.gif
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    Jan 19, 2014 9:38 PM GMT
    Not everyone wants to know why. Some are enlightened enough to ask "why not?".
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    Jan 19, 2014 9:39 PM GMT
    My mother did not want me. She smoked and drank all through. Im surprised i wasn't born with a coat hanger in my head! She gave me up for adoption.
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    Jan 19, 2014 9:40 PM GMT
    What drivel!

    When my mom was pregnant with me in the early Sixties just about everyone smoked. As near as can tell that didn't result in a huge wave of gay kids all of a sudden.

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    Jan 19, 2014 9:42 PM GMT
    hairyandym saidMy mother did not want me. She smoked and drank all through. Im surprised i wasn't born with a coat hanger in my head! She gave me up for adoption.



    Well, how about a little perspective. Back then most people drank and smoked and the dangers weren't as well known. I could think of a million reasons why some pregnant girl might want to give up a kid for adoption with the biggest reason being that they wanted the kid to have a better life than they could otherwise.
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    Jan 19, 2014 9:45 PM GMT
    Just find all those mums who did not smoke and had gay kids. Not hard.
  • 1AlanZSky

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    Jan 19, 2014 10:03 PM GMT
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/01/17/lgbt_smokers_why_are_so_many_gay_people_smoking.html

    It's not just that... gay people smoke more. I just wish tobacco companies would stop making them, the government would ban them and people would stop smoking them. The idealist in me.
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    Jan 19, 2014 10:04 PM GMT
    McGay saidNot everyone wants to know why. Some are enlightened enough to ask "why not?".


    This.

    While I think it is important to look at possible scientific explanations and test theories, I think the real reason people are born non-heterosexual is a lot simpler than we think.

    It seems to be that there are very few laws in the universe that are all-encompassing. Meaning that in every circumstance X must = Y. Biology suggests that being born heterosexual is imperative for us to reproduce. Therefore it's understandable that parts of history condemned homosexuality and viewed it as unnatural. But if we reject heterosexuality as an all-encompassing law granted by nature, then we can learn to expect that there will be exceptions to that rule. And also that those who are among the "exceptions" will not necessarily be alike to one another as far as their own preferences go.

    Just a thought I've been working on.
  • bburg34

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    Jan 19, 2014 10:23 PM GMT
    maybe a dick cumming in there over and over during early months pregnancy would make a difference.
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    Jan 20, 2014 5:15 AM GMT
    ikilledcaptainplanet saidif being gay is so unnatural, then something must be wrong with straight people for making them.

    Ahahaha, YES.
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    Jan 20, 2014 5:22 AM GMT
    Dick Swaab, professor of neurobiology...

    How does he account for his hilariously gay name?

    Aren't we basically born inter-sex in the womb, meaning our primary sex characteristics develop in utero? I mean, why else do men have nipples, and why are some people born hermaphroditic?
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    Jan 20, 2014 6:04 AM GMT
    Paperless_Pen saidhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10582504/Smoking-increases-chances-of-child-being-gay-in-adulthood.html

    Thoughts?
    My mum was very healthy when she was pregnant...


    I attempted to write a response, and it was very short on information anyway, so I'd best not say anything yet. But I'll try to think of something...
  • Paperless_Pen

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    Jan 20, 2014 6:58 PM GMT
    There is another thread about the same thing. Use the search function before you post a similar topic.