making an hourly wage is considered poor?

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    Jan 19, 2014 11:46 PM GMT

    In what year or decade did the hourly wage worker become stigmatized as poor? Most employees some 20 years ago were hourly paid, now its a stigma if your an hourly worker that you are poor? coming from the 'elite' no doubt, horrible icon_rolleyes.gif

    Why you can't "bootstrap" yourself out of poverty
    http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/no--you-can-t-just--bootstrap--yourself-out-of-poverty-172104522.html
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    Jan 20, 2014 12:05 AM GMT
    How can a person making an hourly wage be considered and stigmatized as poor? most of the baby boom generation were paid by the hour and sent their kids to college on all that time and half paid over time, my grandparents and parents deserve more credit than that.

    I just think that is a shame that the 'divide' of the haves and have nots has gone this far, rich vs poor are classified on a exempt or non exempt pay status, America has sunk to a new low icon_twisted.gif
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    Jan 20, 2014 12:15 AM GMT
    it depends on which kind of job. if you get tips they can give you less then the minamum. but its up to 8.25 now for reguler.
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    Jan 20, 2014 12:22 AM GMT
    nah lawyers, therapists, hookers and cops get paid by the hour
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    Jan 20, 2014 12:26 AM GMT
    sure bet they all get alot more then minamum
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    Jan 20, 2014 1:12 AM GMT
    Who ever said that?
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    Jan 20, 2014 1:20 AM GMT
    Oh my gravy.. I'm poor.. Lol..
    I'll play Lotto Max then..
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    Jan 20, 2014 4:27 AM GMT
    This is a laughable joke, who in the hell set the 'standard of living' so freaking low?

    A 'living wage' for one person in Los Angeles county is $12.00 an hr?, maybe on skid row, LMFAO icon_lol.gif

    Me thinks this was done by design, to keep the poor, poor icon_twisted.gif

    (hmm, management positions are up to $50 min an hour!, no wonder they all love their jobs and are the happiest)
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    Jan 20, 2014 4:43 AM GMT
    Congrats, CEOs! You’re making 273 times the pay of the average worker.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/26/congrats-ceos-youre-making-273-times-the-pay-of-the-average-worker/

    •CEO pay is now also closely tracking the S&P 500 index, which didn't used to be the case. icon_lol.gif
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    Jan 20, 2014 4:49 AM GMT
    We're in the new Gilded Age.
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    Jan 20, 2014 5:01 AM GMT
    That article is loaded with crap! I'm in healthcare and get an hourly wage. I'm thankful that I am hourly and the healthcare industry does too! Because if we were salaried, no one would bother to work extra hours to care for the high volume of patients! And I get a generous wage when I work extra.
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    Jan 20, 2014 5:04 AM GMT
    Elusium saidWe're in the new Gilded Age.



    maybe a 'redefined' age as compared to the 'new' one

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Age

    Increased mechanization of industry is a major mark of the Gilded Age's search for cheaper ways to create more product. Frederick Winslow Taylor observed that worker efficiency in steel could be improved through the use of machines to make fewer motions in less time. His redesign increased the speed of factory machines and the productivity of factories while undercutting the need for skilled labor. This mechanization made some factories an assemblage of unskilled laborers performing simple and repetitive tasks under the direction of skilled foremen and engineers. Machine shops grew rapidly, and they comprised highly skilled workers and engineers. Both the number of unskilled and skilled workers increased, as their wage rates grew.[6] Engineering colleges were established to feed the enormous demand for expertise. Railroads invented modern management, with clear chains of command, statistical reporting, and complex bureaucratic systems.[7] They systematized the roles of middle managers and set up explicit career tracks. They hired young men ages 18–21 and promoted them internally until a man reached the status of locomotive engineer, conductor or station agent at age 40 or so. Career tracks were invented for skilled blue-collar jobs and for white-collar managers, starting in railroads and expanding into finance, manufacturing and trade. Together with rapid growth of small business, a new middle class was rapidly growing, especially in northern cities
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    Jan 20, 2014 5:22 AM GMT
    Erik101 saidThat article is loaded with crap! I'm in healthcare and get an hourly wage. I'm thankful that I am hourly and the healthcare industry does too! Because if we were salaried, no one would bother to work extra hours to care for the high volume of patients! And I get a generous wage when I work extra.


    Many in salaried positions have complained in the past and present of having to work without pay, many, especially in corporate are "required" to work a certain amount of "gratuitous" hours over the 40 hour work week and not get paid for those hours, in return, corporate gives salaried employees tons of flexibility, flexibility that hourly based workers dont receive because their working conditions are set by state and federal labor departments, another thing corporate republicans complains about, the inflexibility of of its non exempt labor force due to "regulations", this has been the thorn in corporate managements side for a few decades now, as we see in the demise of the unions, the demise of higher wages and the demise of the middle class

    The corporate elite have managed to make the "hourly wage worker" associated with poor or second class citizen
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    Jan 20, 2014 5:23 AM GMT
    Definitely whether "hourly" means "poor" depends on what wage gets paid per hour. Personally, I would love to be paid by the hour. I'm salaried, and I don't get paid extra for overtime (which I often must work). Other than that, though, I love my job!
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    Jan 20, 2014 5:25 AM GMT
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    Elusium saidWe're in the new Gilded Age.



    maybe a 'redefined' age as compared to the 'new' one

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Age

    Increased mechanization of industry is a major mark of the Gilded Age's search for cheaper ways to create more product. Frederick Winslow Taylor observed that worker efficiency in steel could be improved through the use of machines to make fewer motions in less time. His redesign increased the speed of factory machines and the productivity of factories while undercutting the need for skilled labor. This mechanization made some factories an assemblage of unskilled laborers performing simple and repetitive tasks under the direction of skilled foremen and engineers. Machine shops grew rapidly, and they comprised highly skilled workers and engineers. Both the number of unskilled and skilled workers increased, as their wage rates grew.[6] Engineering colleges were established to feed the enormous demand for expertise. Railroads invented modern management, with clear chains of command, statistical reporting, and complex bureaucratic systems.[7] They systematized the roles of middle managers and set up explicit career tracks. They hired young men ages 18–21 and promoted them internally until a man reached the status of locomotive engineer, conductor or station agent at age 40 or so. Career tracks were invented for skilled blue-collar jobs and for white-collar managers, starting in railroads and expanding into finance, manufacturing and trade. Together with rapid growth of small business, a new middle class was rapidly growing, especially in northern cities


    A new middle class is not growing.

    This is an era of Have vs. Have Not.
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    Jan 20, 2014 5:26 AM GMT
    You can be poor even making six figures when you purchase everything on credit and do not have any savings.
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    Jan 20, 2014 5:39 AM GMT
    mnrunnerguy saidDefinitely whether "hourly" means "poor" depends on what wage gets paid per hour. Personally, I would love to be paid by the hour. I'm salaried, and I don't get paid extra for overtime (which I often must work). Other than that, though, I love my job!


    I dont think higher paying hourly rate matters, according to these people, its the stigma associated with the hourly status itself, much like the stigma associated with a trailer park home.


    Put the two together: which man is probably poor?

    Man is an hourly non exempt union worker
    Man and his family live in a mobile home (aka trailer) in a park

    Man is a salaried exempt worker
    Man and his family live in a home built in a suburban cul-de-sac


    both nice homes, but one is a trailer, more affordable and stigmatized

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    Jan 20, 2014 5:46 AM GMT
    Hope this means I won't ever get asked for money again. I'm just another poor bitch. icon_wink.gif
    Break out the manufactured home brochures! Haha

    Ridiculous!
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    Jan 20, 2014 5:54 AM GMT
    why are you saying nobody should get payed more when they get to be a boss? oviously the whole reason being motorvated to work more is so you get to move up and get a raise.

    I only get little raises just for being there longer, not really worth it even.
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    Jan 20, 2014 6:18 AM GMT
    and also I watched the video and its like saying that if your poor then your dumb and don't know not to eat mcds. that guy is the dumb one. just cause you don't have lots of school just means you aren't good with school not that you are dumb about reguler things.
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    Jan 20, 2014 6:18 AM GMT
    j170 saidwhy are you saying nobody should get payed more when they get to be a boss? oviously the whole reason being motorvated to work more is so you get to move up and get a raise.

    I only get little raises just for being there longer, not really worth it even.



    The hourly 'designation' does not work that way, there is no where to go as an hourly, any pay raise is usually not based on merit or performance especially if represented by a union, wage increases are negotiated, another reason corporate america despises unions, unions and their wage negotiations made the middle class.

    The problem for an hourly is when that employee outperforms their peers when performance is not counted for wage increase, this created the stigma associated with the 'lazy union worker', to the unions detriment, all members are treated the same, no one gets more money regardless of ability or performance, so the union worker that out performs gets screwed, there is no incentive to work hard for a raise because scheduled raises will be coming anyway.

    For a go-getter, hourly based work is not advised


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    Jan 20, 2014 6:23 AM GMT
    j170 saidand also I watched the video and its like saying that if your poor then your dumb and don't know not to eat mcds. that guy is the dumb one. just cause you don't have lots of school just means you aren't good with school not that you are dumb about reguler things.



    well, that is the whole point of this thread, they are stigmatizing the hourly worker status as inferior to that of salaried icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 20, 2014 6:24 AM GMT
    well mine isn't a union so theres noone making rules about you have to get a raise.
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    Jan 20, 2014 7:00 AM GMT
    j170 saidwell mine isn't a union so theres noone making rules about you have to get a raise.


    that is even worse, you should reward your performers icon_mad.gif
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    Jan 20, 2014 8:09 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidWhat about therapists who charge 150 to 200 dollars an hour? And the same applies to escorts too, right? :-)


    You talking about me again???? icon_lol.gif