Former West Virginia Miner: We've Been Dumping Those Chemicals In The Water For Decades

  • metta

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    Jan 24, 2014 2:37 AM GMT
    Former West Virginia Miner: We've Been Dumping Those Chemicals In The Water For Decades


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    http://www.businessinsider.com/mchm-is-nothing-new-in-our-water-2014-1
  • PolitiMAC

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    Jan 24, 2014 6:19 AM GMT
    I tend to find unions to be corrupt and utterly untrustworthy. I'll wait until an inquiry or solid chemical analysis has come around before trusting unions who want nothing else but more money and more benefits for less work.

    Oh, and they love to blame any non-pro-union government for all their problems.
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    Jan 24, 2014 8:22 AM GMT
    Funny, it's a lack of regulation that caused this problem. Not unions.
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    Jan 24, 2014 8:33 AM GMT
    Yes, I'm sure that when cancer clusters begin to form people will be comforted by the fact that the men who dumped toxins into their drinking water were both A) Never impeded by pesky regulation, and B) Well-compensated for their hard work.

    America, fuck yeah!
  • PolitiMAC

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    Jan 24, 2014 8:40 AM GMT
    Elusium saidYes, I'm sure that when cancer clusters begin to form people will be comforted by the fact that the men who dumped toxins into their drinking water were both A) Never impeded by pesky regulation, and B) Well-compensated for their hard work.

    America, fuck yeah!


    We're gonna save the mother-fuckin'-day YEAH!
  • mybud

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    Jan 24, 2014 3:04 PM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidI tend to find unions to be corrupt and utterly untrustworthy. I'll wait until an inquiry or solid chemical analysis has come around before trusting unions who want nothing else but more money and more benefits for less work.

    Oh, and they love to blame any non-pro-union government for all their problems.
    You should stop commenting on the American form of government, and it's regulation..Since you don't know jack shit about either...Have a great day.
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    Jan 24, 2014 3:12 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    mybud said
    PolitiNerd saidI tend to find unions to be corrupt and utterly untrustworthy. I'll wait until an inquiry or solid chemical analysis has come around before trusting unions who want nothing else but more money and more benefits for less work.

    Oh, and they love to blame any non-pro-union government for all their problems.
    You should stop commenting on the American form of government, and it's regulation..Since you don't know jack shit about either...Have a great day.


    Actually, he does. And the scary thing is, he knows more about it than the majority of Americans.

    Why do you want to shut down someone else's opinions? Do they scare you that much? You've got to work on that. They're just words, they can't harm you!
    Little scares me bro..You and him keep expressing your biased non-sense..You're doing more for the liberal cause than Christy's daily revelations.
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    PolitiNerd saidI tend to find unions to be corrupt and utterly untrustworthy. I'll wait until an inquiry or solid chemical analysis has come around before trusting unions who want nothing else but more money and more benefits for less work.
    According to the article the gentleman, as the local union official, asked to make sure that workers were not being exposed to hazardous chemicals. Sounds like he was doing something noble. Why would you object?

    The problem with your line of thinking is that it is entirely unproductive because it is prejudice at its best. Observe:
    I tend to find unions to be corrupt and utterly untrustworthy.
    I tend to find politicians to be corrupt and utterly untrustworthy.
    I tend to find organized religion corrupt and utterly untrustworthy.
    I tend to find school officials to be corrupt and utterly untrustworthy.
    I tend to find corporations to be corrupt and utterly untrustworthy.
    and so on

    This kind of cynicism allows the bad apples to define any genre. It says that no-one from a particular group should be listened to. It destroys any chance for meaningful discourse among honest people who are just doing their jobs.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 24, 2014 7:27 PM GMT
    No1currs


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    But everyone will care, eventually. As the pollution in the water moves through the ecosystem we will all find ourselves living downstream. In the next few decades, we're going to be hearing a lot about water contamination, because of ongoing and past mining. This article is about coal, but shale fracking also contaminates a tremendous amount of water. Humans who live in contaminated areas can drink, cook and brush their teeth with bottled water, which in and of itself is dangerous and unsustainable, but the wildlife won't survive in these ever-deteriorating conditions. We always hear about the epic spills, like the BP oil spill, but it's these smaller permissable dumpings that accumulate over time that do the most permanent damage, and these practices are business as usual for an industry that has no way to contain or dispose the waste it creates. They have clandestine dumping practices, because the technology to create energy and the technology to unscramble eggs are two different technologies, and the latter doesn't exist.... It's the same problem with nuclear waste. Millions of tons a nuclear waste is just being stored on site, because there is nothing else that can be done with it, and it seeps into the ground every single day.
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    HottJoe saidNo1currs


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    But everyone will care, eventually. As the pollution in the water moves through the ecosystem we will all find ourselves living downstream. In the next few decades, we're going to be hearing a lot about water contamination, because of ongoing and past mining. This article is about coal, but shale fracking also contaminates a tremendous amount of water. Humans who live in contaminated areas can drink, cook and brush their teeth with bottled water, which in and of itself is dangerous and unsustainable, but the wildlife won't survive in these ever-deteriorating conditions. We always hear about the epic spills, like the BP oil spill, but it's these smaller permissable dumpings that accumulate over time that do the most permanent damage, and these practices are business as usual for an industry that has no way to contain or dispose the waste it creates. They have clandestine dumping practices, because the technology to create energy and the technology to unscramble eggs are two different technologies, and the latter doesn't exist.... It's the same problem with nuclear waste. Millions of tons a nuclear waste is just being stored on site, because there is nothing else that can be done with it, and it seeps into the ground every single day.


    Joe, say it another 10,000 times. That should do it.
  • PolitiMAC

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    Jan 24, 2014 9:28 PM GMT
    Nivek said
    PolitiNerd saidI tend to find unions to be corrupt and utterly untrustworthy. I'll wait until an inquiry or solid chemical analysis has come around before trusting unions who want nothing else but more money and more benefits for less work.
    According to the article the gentleman, as the local union official, asked to make sure that workers were not being exposed to hazardous chemicals. Sounds like he was doing something noble. Why would you object?

    The problem with your line of thinking is that it is entirely unproductive because it is prejudice at its best. Observe:
    I tend to find unions to be corrupt and utterly untrustworthy.
    I tend to find politicians to be corrupt and utterly untrustworthy.
    I tend to find organized religion corrupt and utterly untrustworthy.
    I tend to find school officials to be corrupt and utterly untrustworthy.
    I tend to find corporations to be corrupt and utterly untrustworthy.
    and so on

    This kind of cynicism allows the bad apples to define any genre. It says that no-one from a particular group should be listened to. It destroys any chance for meaningful discourse among honest people who are just doing their jobs.


    No. I just don't trust unions. Don't know where you got the other positions from.
  • conservativej...

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    Jan 25, 2014 12:23 AM GMT
    Survival of the fittest in the face of environmental carcinogens. Mother nature tends to solve problems by perhaps creating problems -- sometimes with man's rather careless assistance. The study of population genetics is becoming rather interesting. icon_question.gif
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    Jan 25, 2014 5:18 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    wvufan87 saidFunny, it's a lack of regulation that caused this problem. Not unions.


    No. There ARE regulations on the books. And in most cases, the EPA grants waivers or REGULATES the amount of chemicals that can be dumped into a river / stream.

    In addition, the West Virginia plant had not been inspected FOR DECADES. What good are regulations when the EPA doesn't even bother to send an inspector AS REQUIRED BY LAW.


    OK, let me clarify my statement. It's a lack of enforcement of those regulations caused by a business-friendly environment. Unions deal with contracts for workers, not how chemicals are disposed.
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    Jan 25, 2014 5:37 PM GMT
    PolitNerd said "unions who want nothing else but more money and more benefits for less work"

    Coming from a union state like NY, you are 100% correct. In fact most union cities in America are headed for bankruptcy (like Detroit) or have huge deficits because of unions.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 25, 2014 6:00 PM GMT
    West Virginia is largely to blame for this environmental crises because the wonderful leaders in Charleston both democrat and republican have flatly refused to enact tough environmental and safety regulations on the state level. Instead of reducing the state's almost total reliance on chemicals and extraction industries by diversifying the state's economy, the Charleston lawmakers have maintained their fierce opposition to tougher state laws and have allowed these corporate polluters to get away with it. They have made no effort to boost the Mountain State's image by attracting different types of business into West Virginia. It has been the status quo of being reliant on the chemical and extraction industries. This is very sad because West Virginia is a very beautiful, scenic, mountainous state that is being destroyed square mile by square mile. If current trends continue, West Virginia will end up a lot like Niagara Falls, NY. It will become a massive toxic waste dump. When the corporations are done extracting all the coal and natural gas and the mineral reserves are all played out, these corporations will simply close up their facilities and move out of West Virginia in much the same way that the chemical industry abandoned Niagara Falls, NY. They will leave behind environmentally shattered, impoverished, dying cities and counties who will be forced to fend for themselves. These corporations will not help pay for any toxic brownfield remediation which is required for any type of revitalization of these communities.
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    Jan 25, 2014 7:07 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    roadbikeRob saidWest Virginia is largely to blame for this environmental crises because the wonderful leaders in Charleston both democrat and republican have flatly refused to enact tough environmental and safety regulations on the state level. Instead of reducing the state's almost total reliance on chemicals and extraction industries by diversifying the state's economy, the Charleston lawmakers have maintained their fierce opposition to tougher state laws and have allowed these corporate polluters to get away with it. They have made no effort to boost the Mountain State's image by attracting different types of business into West Virginia. It has been the status quo of being reliant on the chemical and extraction industries. This is very sad because West Virginia is a very beautiful, scenic, mountainous state that is being destroyed square mile by square mile. If current trends continue, West Virginia will end up a lot like Niagara Falls, NY. It will become a massive toxic waste dump. When the corporations are done extracting all the coal and natural gas and the mineral reserves are all played out, these corporations will simply close up their facilities and move out of West Virginia in much the same way that the chemical industry abandoned Niagara Falls, NY. They will leave behind environmentally shattered, impoverished, dying cities and counties who will be forced to fend for themselves. These corporations will not help pay for any toxic brownfield remediation which is required for any type of revitalization of these communities.


    Is WV exempt from Federal EPA laws?
    No it is not exempt from EPA laws although many Charleston lawmakers apparently act like they are exempt. That still doesn't excuse the state government from taking on responsibility by either enacting tough environmental and safety laws on the state level or enforcing the EPA laws.
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    Jan 25, 2014 9:12 PM GMT
    Even worse is that we constantly hear the line that it's not in the best interest of corporations to poison, harm, or exploit you because it makes for bad business and opens them up for lawsuits. That's why we don't need regulation. The profit principle will ensure that big business acts on the up-and-up.

    This as the parent company is actively trying to declare bankruptcy so that it can move its funds into another entity and thus absolve itself of any wrongdoing.

    Try being an average citizen who develops cancer from the toxins leaked into that river. Number one, your home will likely not be worth what it once was before this happened. Then you have to hope that whatever lawyer you're able to afford with your medical bills mounting will be able to take on a veritable army of highly-paid sharks who will quite literally bury you in paperwork and lengthy continuances for decades as your health fails daily.

    Who do you think's going to be the last one standing in that scenario?
  • metta

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    Jan 27, 2014 10:00 PM GMT
    Erin Brockovich interviewed by Bill Maher

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    Jan 27, 2014 10:13 PM GMT
    conservativejock saidSurvival of the fittest in the face of environmental carcinogens. Mother nature tends to solve problems by perhaps creating problems -- sometimes with man's rather careless assistance. The study of population genetics is becoming rather interesting. icon_question.gif


    You might feel more concern if your own children were
    involved.

    And WTF is this:
    " Mother nature tends to solve problems by perhaps creating problems -- sometimes with man's rather careless assistance."

    I think your mind has been poisoned.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 27, 2014 10:20 PM GMT
    metta8 saidErin Brockovich interviewed by Bill Maher


    I love her, and "Last Call at the Oasis" should be mandatory viewing in schools, in order to keep people up to speed on what's going on right now, particularly in the fracking industry. She's absolutely right that these people are criminals who were put in power by Bush/Cheney. They're more hostile than terrorists and drug cartels, and their crimes could bring the whole nation to it's knees.
  • metta

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    Jan 30, 2014 12:56 AM GMT
    Scientist: Carcinogenic formaldehyde found in WV drinking water source

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/29/1273416/-Scientist-Carcinogenic-formaldehyde-found-in-WV-drinking-water-source