Visibility and Gay Image?

  • sideout

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    Jan 25, 2014 5:51 PM GMT
    So I was having this discussion the other day and figured it would be interesting to see other people's responses...

    We were discussing about whether a gay club on a university campus should be as visible as possible (glitter, rainbows, etc.). One guy mentioned that guys that are coming out need 'visible' gay guys to help them come out and the group should therefore be as flashy as possible. Another brought up the idea that it needs to be attractive to all gays, including those that don't identify with the flash and glitter, and should therefore be toned down. Thoughts?

    It also brought up a question of where we are in the gay rights movement. In Canada, in more places than not, gay rights are supported. I would argue that at this point in time we are past the fighting hard for recognition and we should start transitioning to expanding the gay image to more than just drag queens and stereotypes (eg: flamboyant guys at a Pride parade).
    What do you think? And also where is the world are you coming from/what's the situation in your area?
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    Jan 25, 2014 6:19 PM GMT
    Just as the fight has past for civil rights for blacks in America? Vigilance.

    But once you've gained legitimacy within your own country, the next great step ought to be exporting rights to safeguard gays in the world. Pressure your government to boycott the Olympics in gay rights-abusive Russia. You can start by boycotting your own school athletics in support of a greater boycott.

    Isn't there a large percent of Chinese immigrants now living in Canada and isn't China now investing in Africa's natural resources? How about exerting some pressures there where gays are being hunted.

    Share your gains with the world. If only because the more rights gained in the world will lessen the chance that you ever again lose yours.
  • sideout

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    Jan 25, 2014 6:30 PM GMT
    "You can start by boycotting your own school athletics in support of a greater boycott."

    lol How exactly would this support gays? The better alternative would be to support and promote initiatives like the You Can Play initiative. Encourage the two to work hand in hand, not pry them further apart.

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    Jan 25, 2014 7:05 PM GMT
    I agree with the fact that you should not be all glitter and drag queen about it. Part of the reason many gay men don't want to come out is because they don't want to be associated with those stereotypes. I think a place that just accepts gays as they are is enough. You don't need to dress it up with boas and glitter.
  • HottJoe

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    Jan 25, 2014 7:30 PM GMT
    hellass saidI agree with the fact that you should not be all glitter and drag queen about it. Part of the reason many gay men don't want to come out is because they don't want to be associated with those stereotypes. I think a place that just accepts gays as they are is enough. You don't need to dress it up with boas and glitter.

    You can't blame your decision to stay in the closet on other gay men. That's cowardly.
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    Jan 25, 2014 8:33 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    hellass saidI agree with the fact that you should not be all glitter and drag queen about it. Part of the reason many gay men don't want to come out is because they don't want to be associated with those stereotypes. I think a place that just accepts gays as they are is enough. You don't need to dress it up with boas and glitter.

    You can't blame your decision to stay in the closet on other gay men. That's cowardly.


    I was speaking in general terms. And it's not cowardly. If a man is masculine and gay and in the closet, you can't blame him for being "fearful" of coming out and being associated with those stereotypes. Because that's the first thing ignorant people do when they hear someone's gay. I'm not saying it's right, but that's just the way it is.
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    Jan 25, 2014 11:25 PM GMT
    sideout said"You can start by boycotting your own school athletics in support of a greater boycott."

    lol How exactly would this support gays? The better alternative would be to support and promote initiatives like the You Can Play initiative. Encourage the two to work hand in hand, not pry them further apart.

    Anyways off topic icon_razz.gif


    Perhaps if you put that one line back in the context it was offered, which was to create a boycott--instead of indirectly through corporate boycotts, of taking direct action against sports itself--in protest to either bring down or put more attention on Putin's Olympics as a means of influencing Russia's policy of dehumanizing gay people.

    Your question seemed to ask that now that you have some rights, what do you do with them, where do you go from here? So I thought it might make sense--and remain on topic--to export those rights so that you help gays being tormented in other parts of the world where the rights you have gained have not yet been achieved.

    But certainly if you have more drag queens being killed in Canada than gay people being killed in Russia, you should start there. I hadn't realized Canada was so colorful.
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    Jan 26, 2014 1:06 AM GMT
    ikilledcaptainplanet saidwell, i can tell you that there are gay people around here but they live their lives just like how everyone else does. no biggie.

    i don't know what's with many out guys attitudes where they're literally unempathic towards other guys that are still in the coming out process where they're ready to get them in some bullshit.

    the visibility thing is more of guys who are out and aren't afraid to let the whole world know that they're gay and etc. basically someone who doesn't mind being on a float in the gay pride parade.


    This is true. Many out gays are very inconsiderate towards guys that are still in the closet. I've commented about this before. Everyone is different and has a different situation and circumstances, hence why their coming out should be planned when they're ready.

    But, I think a lot of it also comes from the fact that there are many gays who could never be in the closet - simply because they're "obvious". Nothing wrong with that but I feel they look down at and/or more angry when it comes to guys who are closeted, probably because they could never get away with it.
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    Jan 26, 2014 1:25 AM GMT
    hellass said
    ikilledcaptainplanet saidwell, i can tell you that there are gay people around here but they live their lives just like how everyone else does. no biggie.

    i don't know what's with many out guys attitudes where they're literally unempathic towards other guys that are still in the coming out process where they're ready to get them in some bullshit.

    the visibility thing is more of guys who are out and aren't afraid to let the whole world know that they're gay and etc. basically someone who doesn't mind being on a float in the gay pride parade.


    This is true. Many out gays are very inconsiderate towards guys that are still in the closet. I've commented about this before. Everyone is different and has a different situation and circumstances, hence why their coming out should be planned when they're ready.

    But, I think a lot of it also comes from the fact that there are many gays who could never be in the closet - simply because they're "obvious". Nothing wrong with that but I feel they look down at and/or more angry when it comes to guys who are closeted, probably because they could never get away with it.



    I only hate closeted gay guys when they try to get with me. I hate them because they try to hold me back.



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    Jan 26, 2014 2:28 AM GMT
    Snaz said
    hellass said
    ikilledcaptainplanet saidwell, i can tell you that there are gay people around here but they live their lives just like how everyone else does. no biggie.

    i don't know what's with many out guys attitudes where they're literally unempathic towards other guys that are still in the coming out process where they're ready to get them in some bullshit.

    the visibility thing is more of guys who are out and aren't afraid to let the whole world know that they're gay and etc. basically someone who doesn't mind being on a float in the gay pride parade.


    This is true. Many out gays are very inconsiderate towards guys that are still in the closet. I've commented about this before. Everyone is different and has a different situation and circumstances, hence why their coming out should be planned when they're ready.

    But, I think a lot of it also comes from the fact that there are many gays who could never be in the closet - simply because they're "obvious". Nothing wrong with that but I feel they look down at and/or more angry when it comes to guys who are closeted, probably because they could never get away with it.



    I only hate closeted gay guys when they try to get with me. I hate them because they try to hold me back.





    You shouldn't hate anyone
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    Jan 26, 2014 2:48 AM GMT
    True but, I do.