Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

  • metta

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    Jan 26, 2014 1:52 AM GMT
    Indiana GOP passes law making it a crime for clergy to perform gay weddings

    http://americablog.com/2013/07/indiana-makes-crime-preacher-conduct-gay-marriage.html
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    Jan 26, 2014 2:16 AM GMT
    Homophobic Republicans just get nastier and nastier, to gays, as well as to women, Blacks, other minorities, the poor, everyone who isn't a White 1-percenter. And there are guys here who actually support these characters? And urge gays to vote for them? icon_rolleyes.gif
  • PolitiMAC

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    Jan 26, 2014 2:17 AM GMT
    "In what appears to be a rather massive violation of the freedom of religion, the Republican party in Indiana appears to have amended the state criminal code to either make it a crime, or confirm that it remain a crime, for clergy to conduct weddings for gay couples."

    So did they actually criminalise it or just not change it?

    There's a large difference. I hope this wasn't an attempt to demonise Republicans more icon_wink.gif

    That said, I still think they should do away with the law and let gay people get married. Social conservatism is not something I subscribe to often icon_razz.gif
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    Jan 26, 2014 2:20 AM GMT
    ART_DECO saidHomophobic Republicans just get nastier and nastier, to gays, as well as to women, Blacks, other minorities, the poor, everyone who isn't a White 1-percenter. And there are guys here who actually support these characters? And urge gays to vote for them? icon_rolleyes.gif


    Why yes, because you see, being able to support the country or state financially is important to some people. There needs to be change in certain members of the Republican Party, just as there needs to be in the Democratic Party.

    Again, the Leftist tars all conservatives with one brush as evil straight men who hate gays and half the population icon_razz.gif

    Really representative of reality icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jan 26, 2014 2:36 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd said

    Again, the Leftist tars all conservatives with one brush as evil straight men who hate gays and half the population icon_razz.gif

    Really representative of reality icon_rolleyes.gif



    ^
    I'm on the left and I have never believed that.
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    Jan 26, 2014 2:41 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd said
    Again, the Leftist tars all conservatives with one brush as evil straight men who hate gays and half the population icon_razz.gif

    That's because in this country (about which you know very little) it's largely true. Stick to Ozzie politics.
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    Jan 26, 2014 2:56 AM GMT
    metta8 said
    PolitiNerd said

    Again, the Leftist tars all conservatives with one brush as evil straight men who hate gays and half the population icon_razz.gif

    Really representative of reality icon_rolleyes.gif
    ^
    I'm on the left and I have never believed that.

    Well in my view the Republicans tar themselves with that brush. This was a law passed by the Republican majority in the Indiana State government. Not by ONE Republican, but by a MAJORITY. THAT'S the reality, which I merely report. Didn't you read that in Oz?

    And the same thing can be seen in State houses all across the US. Can someone give us an opposite example, where a Republican legislative majority initiated and passed something that was PRO gay rights? That was PRO same-sex marriage, and not ANTI same-sex marriage, as was done in Indiana?

    When the Republican Party is consistently the author of anti-gay bills, while Democrats never are, can we not make some common sense observations & conclusions?

    And BTW, don't try the smoke & mirrors of the DADT & DOMA argument regarding Clinton. The former was the best solution Clinton could devise, against impossible Congressional resistance to his desire to let gays serve openly, which did at least relax the existing military ban on gay service. And DOMA was veto-proof, a Congressional bill he didn't propose and couldn't oppose. He should have vetoed it anyway, on principle, but chose to accept the political realities at a time when Democrats were struggling.
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    Jan 26, 2014 2:59 AM GMT
    This actually does constitute a violation of religious freedom. They would really make a criminal out of a clergyman who opted to marry a gay couple? Church or minister officiated weddings are not subject to government regulation, sure, said government doesn't have to recognize them, but they can't stop a clergyman from officiating one.
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    Jan 26, 2014 3:21 AM GMT
    condom_king saidThis actually does constitute a violation of religious freedom. They would really make a criminal out of a clergyman who opted to marry a gay couple? Church or minister officiated weddings are not subject to government regulation, sure, said government doesn't have to recognize them, but they can't stop a clergyman from officiating one.

    Well it's interesting that one argument Republicans falsely use against same-sex marriage bills is that the clergy will be FORCED to marry gays, when their religious tenets prohibit it. That lie was used in California with Prop 8. And I believe that phony argument has been used in the UK, too.

    But here the clergy are being forced NOT to marry gays, even when their beliefs permit it. Seems like Republicans want to have it both ways, their goal being to oppose gay marriage at all costs.

    Can't have gay marriage because dissenting churches might have to perform them. Can't have gay marriages because we won't LET approving churches perform them. HUH???

    And guys here argue that the Republican Party isn't anti-gay to its core? What do we need, audio/visuals???
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    Jan 26, 2014 4:36 AM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    metta8 said
    PolitiNerd said

    Again, the Leftist tars all conservatives with one brush as evil straight men who hate gays and half the population icon_razz.gif

    Really representative of reality icon_rolleyes.gif
    ^
    I'm on the left and I have never believed that.

    Well in my view the Republicans tar themselves with that brush.


    Well, I have friends that are Republican. I was a registered Republican at one point in my life. Actually, there was a political office that temporarily opened up next to one of my father's offices and my dad walked me in to get me registered to vote. The form already had Republican checked on it. lol. I grew up in an city that is primarily Republican. I grew up in a household that was mostly Sagebrush Republican (not a term that is really used anymore). I currently have friends/neighbors that are registered Republicans. But I will say that most of them would not vote against civil rights.
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    Jan 26, 2014 5:58 AM GMT
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    Well, I have friends that are Republican. I was a registered Republican at one point in my life. Actually, there was a political office that temporarily opened up next to one of my father's offices and my dad walked me in to get me registered to vote. The form already had Republican checked on it. lol. I grew up in an city that is primarily Republican. I grew up in a household that was mostly Sagebrush Republican (not a term that is really used anymore). I currently have friends/neighbors that are registered Republicans. But I will say that most of them would not vote against civil rights.

    I wonder. SOMEBODY is voting against gay civil right in lots of Red States. If it's not the Republicans, who is it? I mean, SOMEBODY is. Who do you think is voting against gays? Democrats?

    And BTW, my own parents were lifelong Republicans. And Republican elected officeholders. I helped in their campaigns. And the first time I ever voted it was for my Mother, on the Republican ticket.

    But that was then, this is now. As many people say, they didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left THEM. And so it was with me, a Republican until my 40s.

    Republicans hate gays. It's in their official national party platform. Their leaders and candidates make horrible homophobic statements, like an Indiana candidate for the US House just last week, who thinks gays cause tornadoes. It just doesn't stop, one incident after another.

    And the worst thing is that Republicans vote in lockstep. You can say your own Member of Congress is a good guy. But when he or she gets to Washington, they'll vote the Party line as they're told. And that Party line is anti-gay, anti-women, anti-Black, anti-minorities, anti-labor, anti-everything. And only pro-1 percenters. No gay should support that.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 26, 2014 3:38 PM GMT
    Haven't these right wing retards in the Indiana GOP ever heard of the separation of church and stateicon_question.gif
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    Jan 28, 2014 1:39 AM GMT
    Indiana is the Texas of the Midwest. If it weren't for Indy, Evansville, the college towns, and The Region, it'd be the Mississippi of the Midwest.
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    Jan 28, 2014 4:55 PM GMT
    libertpaulian saidIndiana is the Texas of the Midwest. If it weren't for Indy, Evansville, the college towns, and The Region, it'd be the Mississippi of the Midwest.
    How about Fort Wayne, that is a pretty large city.icon_question.gif
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    Jan 28, 2014 6:04 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob said
    libertpaulian saidIndiana is the Texas of the Midwest. If it weren't for Indy, Evansville, the college towns, and The Region, it'd be the Mississippi of the Midwest.
    How about Fort Wayne, that is a pretty large city.icon_question.gif

    Yeah, I suppose. Throw in Fort Wayne and South Bend as well.