South Dakota Republicans Propose Allowing Businesses To Refuse To Serve Gays

  • metta

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    Jan 27, 2014 5:01 PM GMT
    South Dakota Republicans Propose Allowing Businesses To Refuse To Serve Gays

    "State Senator Ernie Otten said his bills were necessary in case a court overturns the state's ban on such unions."

    http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=17620&MediaType=1&Category=26



    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Steve-Hickey-for-South-Dakota/108298052537374
  • tazzari

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    Jan 28, 2014 1:26 AM GMT
    It's that big GOP tent again...

    Idiots like this write the GOP into irrelevance and do a great disservice to their party and the country.

    But it won't go anywhere...
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    Jan 28, 2014 1:33 AM GMT
    LOL it's South Dakota. There are like what...5 people that live there?
  • waccamatt

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    Jan 28, 2014 2:22 AM GMT
    libertpaulian saidLOL it's South Dakota. There are like what...5 people that live there?


    It doesn't matter how many people that live there, there are some of our brothers and sisters that live there who would be negatively impacted by this hateful legislation.
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    Jan 28, 2014 2:24 AM GMT
    waccamatt said
    libertpaulian saidLOL it's South Dakota. There are like what...5 people that live there?


    It doesn't matter how many people that live there, there are some of our brothers and sisters that live there who would be negatively impacted by this hateful legislation.

    It was a snide and snarky comment. Of course I hate the law that's being proposed It was more of a swipe at South Dakota and its culture rather than a disregard for any LGBTQ South Dakotans that would be affected.
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    Jan 28, 2014 4:06 AM GMT
    Article: “Religious rights need to continue to trump gay rights,” Hickey said. “Otherwise, we're heading down the road of Iran, where it's convert or die, be quiet or die. If we want to talk about church and state,
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    this is a bill that keeps the state out of my church.”
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    Jan 28, 2014 5:05 AM GMT
    Well, my Dad's family came from South Dakota. I spent a few summers there at my Great Grandparent's house. You have to understand, it's impossible stay sane there. Imagine being in the middle of a huge corn field. No matter how fast or far you can run, it's just a sea of corn, over your head, and you can't see farther than your shoulder. The leaves grasp at you. Nobody can hear you scream...

    And if you can survive long enough to break out of the corn, you're in the badlands. And then a tornado comes along.

    And still, nobody can hear you scream.
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    Jan 28, 2014 5:56 AM GMT
    Broseph saidYet they're quite comfortable telling US to convert into straight people or go to hell (or have a relationship that can never exceed friend status).

    Dicks!


    Only this isn't about converting, it is about subverting.

    article: “Religious rights need to continue to trump gay civil rights,”

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    Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. Exodus 21:2-6

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. Ephesians 6:5

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    Jan 28, 2014 6:35 AM GMT
    [quote][South Dakota Republicans have introduced two bills which seek to allow clergy, church officials and businesses to refuse to take part in gay marriages and related events.[/quote]

    Why is this a bad thing? If someone isn't comfortable with gay marriage then why force them to? Wouldn't you want to use vendors that, I don't know, actually SUPPORT and CELEBRATE with you? Or is it some kind of added thrill in forcing someone to do something they don't want to do? icon_rolleyes.gif



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    Jan 28, 2014 2:32 PM GMT
    james565 said(quoting article: ) South Dakota Republicans have introduced two bills which seek to allow clergy, church officials and businesses to refuse to take part in gay marriages and related events.

    Why is this a bad thing? If someone isn't comfortable with gay marriage then why force them to? Wouldn't you want to use vendors that, I don't know, actually SUPPORT and CELEBRATE with you? Or is it some kind of added thrill in forcing someone to do something they don't want to do? icon_rolleyes.gif


    Because the church is seeking to subvert the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Otherwise it wouldn't be a problem.

    In protecting citizens from tyranny, the state rightfully restricts some freedoms. So religion is not free to sacrifice humans in Aztec rites; religion is not free to enslave black people who have long fought for their civil rights. Religion doesn't get to do whatever the fuck it wants.

    Religion does get a lot of leeway, a hell of a lot more than gets the general public. But even still, we can't use religion to hide behind in subverting the rights of others. Even what might be allowed religion, that they might discriminate within their own organization, they don't get to export that discrimination into the general population. Because we have rights too.

    So while a religion might be able to fire a gay priest, a religious business owner doesn't get to refuse service to a black str8 man, nor, as we gain our rights, to us either, because we're people too who by God deserve protection from religion. That we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights, which neither religion nor their religious may trample. As Thomas Jefferson so eloquently put it in the vernacular of his day: "Fuck them!"
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jan 28, 2014 4:27 PM GMT
    These right wing republicans are hopelessly stupid. Why propose a law that is not only wrong and offensive but also prone to get thrown out by the courts anyways. I see this as an attempt to keep the lawsuit business alive and well.
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    Jan 28, 2014 4:49 PM GMT
    james565 said
    Why is this a bad thing? If someone isn't comfortable with gay marriage then why force them to? Wouldn't you want to use vendors that, I don't know, actually SUPPORT and CELEBRATE with you? Or is it some kind of added thrill in forcing someone to do something they don't want to do?
    I understand your point. In my business, for example, I would want to be able to decide that I do not want to do business with a chemical company that has a bad safety record, or with an organization known for corruption. As a business owner I want to come down on the side of ethics, according to what I consider ethical. So isn't the issue of services for gay weddings similar? Really it is not. In this case you have service providers who want to provide a service, but not to people who are a certain minority. They want to refuse service not because the customers are corrupt or dishonest, or do bad things to other people, or have bad credit, but because they are different in a way they cannot control. Can you imagine a cake maker refusing to make a cake for a heterosexual black wedding, citing the pre-civil war tradition of not allowing blacks to legally marry in some states?