48 year old man infects 17 year old with HIV.

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    Dec 16, 2008 8:40 AM GMT
    Here's the link to the article.

    http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2798&u_sid=10513894


    And since Nebraska has no law criminalizing the intentional transmission of HIV, they couldn't arrest him for that. And 16 is the age of consent.
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    Dec 16, 2008 11:22 AM GMT
    I am not sure passing a law criminalizing it would have helped prevent this tragedy. The rising incidence of HIV among the population seems to be directly linked to the increasing popularity of unsafe sexual practices (anal sex without a condom). The 48 year old should have used a condom and the 17 year old should have insisted on it. Or better still not have anal sex at all to be even safer.

    Of course there is the whole "creepy" factor of a 48 year old having sex with a teenager, but that is another discussion.
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    Dec 16, 2008 12:35 PM GMT
    It raises an interesting question, how would one prove that they informed their partner?
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    Dec 16, 2008 12:56 PM GMT
    Blame part of it on the conservative agenda. Refusing to allow teachers to teach fact based sex education in the school room. I would bet that they have an abstinence based education program there, and not fact based.

    I guess I am one of those people who thinks teenagers are going to have sex, I know me and my friends that's all we thought of. Lets give them the basics so they know what to do. This kid should accept blame for his part in this sad tale.
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    Dec 16, 2008 2:52 PM GMT
    Koaa2 saidBlame part of it on the conservative agenda. Refusing to allow teachers to teach fact based sex education in the school room. I would bet that they have an abstinence based education program there, and not fact based.

    I guess I am one of those people who thinks teenagers are going to have sex, I know me and my friends that's all we thought of. Lets give them the basics so they know what to do. This kid should accept blame for his part in this sad tale.


    True, but with the internet kids have so much information at their fingertips. The cautious ones are doing their research, but others seem to be totally oblivious.

    It never ceases to amaze me how HIV has managed to drop off people's radar in terms of a potential health hazard. Even in the gay community among adults risky practices seem to be on the increase.
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    Dec 16, 2008 5:42 PM GMT
    Insane!
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    Dec 16, 2008 5:47 PM GMT
    I seem to remember a thread where all the positive guys were begging for a second chance...

    Anyone here still think it's a reasonable request?
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    Dec 16, 2008 5:51 PM GMT
    I don't understand the lack of culpability of HIV folks. Folks with any other communicable disease seem to get it but because they're SO self-centered.

    Gosh, I'm compassionate, but, the self-indulgence, and the self-centeredness of some folks just is appalling.

    HIV folks love to portray themselves as victims, and perhaps they are, at some level, of self-indulgence, carelessness, or maybe just being unlucky.

    In the U.S., there is NO EXCUSE for the way HIV is traveling.

    Here in Dallas, Dallas County has the highest HIV rate in Texas. CDC estimates 1/4 of all gay black and latino men are infected. FULLY 1/4. That's crazy.
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    Dec 16, 2008 5:56 PM GMT
    I feel like everyone should be responsible for themselves. Do I agree the positive guy didn't tell? No I dont agree....but even if someone thats positive doesnt tell...anytime you have unprotected sex your at risk.

    The last time I checked it takes two to have anal sex and if you dont want aids then you should be responsible enough to protect yourself, otherwise your taking the risk wether someone tells you they are positive or not.
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    Dec 16, 2008 5:56 PM GMT
    this is just disgusting and sad. i feel so bad for all parties involved but that older man needs to burned. SAFE SEX or NO SEX.
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    Dec 16, 2008 6:05 PM GMT
    chuckystud3 saidI don't understand the lack of culpability of HIV folks. Folks with any other communicable disease seem to get it but because they're SO self-centered.

    Gosh, I'm compassionate, but, the self-indulgence, and the self-centeredness of some folks just is appalling.

    HIV folks love to portray themselves as victims, and perhaps they are, at some level, of self-indulgence, carelessness, or maybe just being unlucky.

    In the U.S., there is NO EXCUSE for the way HIV is traveling.

    Here in Dallas, Dallas County has the highest HIV rate in Texas. CDC estimates 1/4 of all gay black and latino men are infected. FULLY 1/4. That's crazy.

    Chucky - are we talking about this insensitive older man? or Are you talking about people with HIV in general?
    Why do you harbor such hatred toward those with HIV? I read numerous times the same rhetoric from you in many forums.
    Are you saying that someone with HIV should just not have sex at all?
    Please clarify why you are so mad - and I don't mean this incident that really angers me also and doesn't surprise me - there are too many "children" running around thinking they are invulnerable or many wanting it for whatever reasons.

    AND BTW EVERYONE....being HIV+ like myself doesn't mean I am dead, unable to live life to the fullest or be as productive a member as anyone on this site. SO please get over yourself and the status you have. Seems like many who are Negative think they have it one up on those who are positive.
    It's this mentality that made me think I had so little to live and I was some kind of leper. I am not asking to have sex with anyone who is a UB2 fanatic. Who really thinks they can get away with being sexually active and not having sex with someone HIV+?

    In the end, I can outlive many of you...and plan on it ...not in a wheel chair and not drooling in a vegetative state...but God-willing passing out over my last uncompleted artistic endeavor.
    No one here can tell me the possibilities in 5 years or 10 years of what can happen to this disease's progress in research and science.
    So stop being so Damned "negative!"
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    Dec 16, 2008 6:05 PM GMT
    A law requiring disclosure wont solve any problems, though I would love to see statistics comparing states with such legislation against those that do not. HIV is just one of many infections you can get from unprotected sex. Legislators would better spend their time looking at ways of educating the populace. This is band-aid legislation.

    Koaa2 saidBlame part of it on the conservative agenda. Refusing to allow teachers to teach fact based sex education in the school room. I would bet that they have an abstinence based education program there, and not fact based.


    Much of sex education policy is not determined on the federal or even state level. Most is made in the community. While working in a suburban school here in ultra-liberal New York I got to sit in on a sex ed class. Safe sex was not mentioned, but a syllabus of STI's was mentioned. Condoms got zero air time because abstinence-only education was determined by that particular community. If this outrages you, as it did me, it should highlight how important school board elections are. Though no one votes in those except teachers, preachers, and soccer moms.
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    Dec 16, 2008 6:09 PM GMT
    I think there are a few bad apples in every bunch. This Moore guys actions don't have anything to do with other HIV positive people. He's just.. an asshole. Assholes find all sorts of ways to fuck up peoples lives, regardless of their STD status.

    What I find disturbing about this story, is that apparently there were like.. eight thousand teenagers willing to do the dirty with a 48 year old dude. Where were these kids parents? When I was 16,17, my folks weren't around much either... but they had still taught me well enough not to be doing stuff like that.

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    Dec 16, 2008 6:16 PM GMT

    Wait, 16 year olds are legal...call me DaddyGear from now on.
    However, I get tested every six months.
    Still, something might be happening soon that will take me out of the scene for the next 10 to 20, I'll reveal information as it becomes relevant in pertinence to this issue.

    I've always said that if your going to go older, go older than 50, because 48 year olds are just like 20 year olds...cept hornier.

    Forgive me, that was a generalization, no one group can be pinpointed. I mean, I would have thought a sixteen year old was pretty safe, I bet he'd have said he was a virgin too....i'da been dead wrong wouldn't I?

    Whatever, I'm rambling....I STILL WOULD NEVER TOUCH A SIXTEEN YR OLD.
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    Dec 16, 2008 6:21 PM GMT
    No hatred here. Just wondering why folks with HIV think it's o.k. to be so sefl-indulgent. Why is it that so many choose to ignore virtue / rising to the higher level? Gosh. That's how they got it in the first place, in the me,me,me concept of life.
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    Dec 16, 2008 6:25 PM GMT
    chuckystud3 saidNo hatred here. Just wondering why folks with HIV think it's o.k. to be so sefl-indulgent. Why is it that so many choose to ignore virtue / rising to the higher level? Gosh. That's how they got it in the first place, in the me,me,me concept of life.


    Because they are people, and people by nature are self indulgent.
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    Dec 16, 2008 6:29 PM GMT
    Sad beyond words... At the same time Magic Johnson is still alive...
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    Dec 16, 2008 6:29 PM GMT
    chuckystud3 saidNo hatred here. Just wondering why folks with HIV think it's o.k. to be so sefl-indulgent. Why is it that so many choose to ignore virtue / rising to the higher level? Gosh. That's how they got it in the first place, in the me,me,me concept of life.

    I see - that I can't argue with, even I have been self - indulgent at times. And not just sex. I just can't believe any 16-17 year old has the "balls" to have sex!
    I was so frightened by the idea of intimacy at that age. I was SOOO unsure of myself.

    Thanks for the clarification Chucky.
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    Dec 16, 2008 6:33 PM GMT
    This is such a horrid story I cannot believe this man purposely gave others HIV. I understand the "minors" should have enforced protection during intercourse but it's disgusting a 48 year old man with a disease which is still lethal is having sex with 16-17 year olds from what we know. I'd hate to say this but I hope he feels God's wrath from what he committed and then hopefully realizing spreading a disease on purpose is morally and unjustly wrong.
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    Dec 16, 2008 6:41 PM GMT
    The problem is we gave a virus civil rights. If you have any other VD you would have to tell your partners if you can remember them HIV/AIDS should be no diferent
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    Dec 16, 2008 6:53 PM GMT
    chuckystud3 saidNo hatred here. Just wondering why folks with HIV think it's o.k. to be so sefl-indulgent. Why is it that so many choose to ignore virtue / rising to the higher level? Gosh. That's how they got it in the first place, in the me,me,me concept of life.


    the same question could be asked of HIV- guys too!
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    Dec 16, 2008 6:54 PM GMT
    I'm positive. I've accepted that it was my fault. I'm fully culaple. I was stupid once, but not any longer.
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    Dec 16, 2008 6:59 PM GMT
    joeindallas nailed it.

    If someone has the flu (a virus), and it's contagious, they stay home.
    If someone has a cold (a virus), and it's contagious, they stay home.

    From where I live, getting HIV would be one of the single worst things I could do to myself. I'd lose my lifestyle; I'd die younger, etc. Why would anyone choose to be so careless? I just don't get it.

    When a lineman works on a power line, does he do it in the rain? Fuck no.
    When a lineman works on a power line, does he do it without rubber gloves? Fuck no.
    When a lineman works on a power line, does he ground it down if he's taking it cold? Fuck yes.

    Why it that so many of the HIV folks place such a low value on quality of life, and view it as survivable if they get it? Why is it that they taunt an early death?

    I just don't come to grips with the me,me,me, or just plain stupidity, that behavior most certainly entails. I just don't get it.

    Then, they act like they should have special treatment.

    No matter what, anyone with HIV is sick (read the dictionary definition), and they're often contagious, but, so many would have us embrace their ongoing irresponsibility. No matter how you cut it, to me, that means so wrong.
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    Dec 16, 2008 7:02 PM GMT
    I read that story.

    My impression is that one of the benefits of being seventeen is that you get to change the story to suit the circumstances.

    Safe sex is a bilateral obligation.

    If you stand deliberately stand in front of a loaded handgun and ask somebody to pull the trigger then it isn't entirely the fault of the guy (or gal) holding the pistol.

    Responsibility has to be shared.

    By the way, if the State feels it is appropriate to prosecute minors for capital crimes or major felonies as adults, send kids to war, etc. then I don't see the moral difference (from the social perspective) between a 17 year old and a 48 year old.

    This story is tragic and nothing more.
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    Dec 16, 2008 7:04 PM GMT
    I wonder if the infected teenager could sue Moore in a civil lawsuit, for causing his infection? True, it would be a he said-he said case, but I'll bet a jury would be happy to nail trash like Moore. Not that the kid would likely get much money, but at least the satisfaction.