"Cockfighting bust yields 19 arrests"

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    Dec 16, 2008 1:42 PM GMT

    http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20081214/NEWS01/312140002/1001/NEWS01
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    Dec 16, 2008 2:20 PM GMT
    It's a mainstay of rural filipino culture. We call it sabung (which is also a noun in our language meaning a 'tussle'). The only other bloodsports gambling event that approaches its popularity here is horsefighting.

    There used to be a sabungan (cockfight ring) just 4 blocks from our house. Very noisy on Sundays.

    It's pretty vicious. The roosters have this kind of wickedly curved blade (about 3 to 4 inches long I think) attached to their feet called tari. It's not unusual for defeated roosters to come back from fights all slashed up.

    Also there was a story that circulated here once, dunno if it's urban legend. But a guy was attaching a tari on his rooster when it started struggling. It cut off his cock - his penis that is. LOL I dunno how much of that was true.

    It's dangerous, which is why the rings are usually screened off.
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    Dec 16, 2008 4:46 PM GMT
    I never understood this cruel sport when I was a child. I understand to each their own, but wouldn't want to be around when living beings are put up to sport for others perverted enjoyment.
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    Dec 16, 2008 5:20 PM GMT

    OP, you do realize that by "cocks", they mean roosters?

    Has anyone ever tried this? Does anyone here look like a criminal to you?

    ...don't answer that. icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 16, 2008 5:33 PM GMT
    2nd to dog fighting this is one of the most inhumane thing that can be done to an animal. It's sad the penalites are not stiffer!

    should be mandtory 20 years or more! icon_evil.gif
  • vindog

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    Dec 16, 2008 9:33 PM GMT
    I had friends that did this....usually more of a symptom of economic conditions than sport
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    Dec 16, 2008 9:46 PM GMT
    If knew someone doing this you would think I had holes in my pockets by how many dimes I would be dropping!

    translation: Dropping the dime means I would through under the bus, I would sing like a canary!

    No animals to deserves to treated like that. All of the rosters and chickens that they secured had to put to death because they can not be socialized.

    That's just terrible!
  • DJZ77

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    Dec 16, 2008 9:54 PM GMT
    I just don't get this form of entertainment. It's very popular in Mexico, which is where I first saw this act of cruelty. Basically, they lace up the Roosters with huge ass blades and they don't stop the fight until one of them is dead. What the hell is so entertaining about that?!? icon_mad.gif
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    Dec 16, 2008 10:04 PM GMT
    This is a barbaric and disgusting example of what some sub-humans describe as "sport", right up there with pit-bull fighting.
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    Dec 16, 2008 10:05 PM GMT
    I'd have no interest whatsoever in seeing this *sport* and I think it is barbaric.
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    Dec 17, 2008 12:38 AM GMT
    Indeed it is.

    However, to those judging it quickly, as atlnvmasc said it's less for the blood and more for the money. When you can barely get food on your table, you have more important priorities than animal rights.

    That said, thankfully it's becoming less and less popular these days in our country. Only the old folks do it. Or paradoxically, the filthy rich folks who make a livelihood of breeding the meanest roosters simply to have them die brutally. icon_neutral.gif
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    Dec 17, 2008 12:43 AM GMT
    Sedative said
    However, to those judging it quickly, as atlnvmasc said it's less for the blood and more for the money. When you can barely get food on your table, you have more important priorities than animal rights.



    I can hear what you are saying, believe me.

    But this is the same excuse that child pornographers and slave importers use.
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    Dec 17, 2008 1:06 AM GMT
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    Sedative said
    However, to those judging it quickly, as atlnvmasc said it's less for the blood and more for the money. When you can barely get food on your table, you have more important priorities than animal rights.



    I can hear what you are saying, believe me.

    But this is the same excuse that child pornographers and slave importers use.


    Yep. They're all obviously wrong of course. But cockfighting is way less serious than white slavery. Animal rights is a luxury cause most third worlders just can't afford to believe in. Same as how activists often decry 'inhumane' slaughterhouse killings in poorer countries not taking into consideration the economic status of those doing it. They don't exactly have the money to spend for better equipment now, do they?

    I'm against animal cruelty myself, but sometimes the priorities of you westerners are just ridiculous. You've probably never had to make a difficult decision in your lives other than which university to go to. When it comes to seeing a chicken die or letting your child quit school for the next semester because of lack of tuition, what would you do really?

    The sentiment is nice. Animal cruelty IS barbaric. But I wish you westerners could at least get the priorities straight. Feed the starving children first before screaming about how Ethiopians are biting the heads off cattle, you might say.

    If it were done in an affluent country, like the news above for example. Then yes, it's unnecessary cruelty. Probably more psychotic bloodlust in part of the participant than need.

    But... *sigh*

    Never mind. Sometimes, I really think you first worlders have been so insulated. icon_confused.gif I dunno if that makes you lucky or not.
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    Dec 17, 2008 1:20 AM GMT
    Sedative said
    cronker said
    Sedative said
    However, to those judging it quickly, as atlnvmasc said it's less for the blood and more for the money. When you can barely get food on your table, you have more important priorities than animal rights.



    I can hear what you are saying, believe me.

    But this is the same excuse that child pornographers and slave importers use.


    Yep. They're all obviously wrong of course. But cockfighting is way less serious than white slavery. Animal rights is a luxury cause most third worlders just can't afford to believe in. Same as how activists often decry 'inhumane' slaughterhouse killings in poorer countries not taking into consideration the economic status of those doing it. They don't exactly have the money to spend for better equipment now, do they?

    I'm against animal cruelty myself, but sometimes the priorities of you westerners are just ridiculous. You've probably never had to make a difficult decision in your lives other than which university to go to. When it comes to seeing a chicken die or letting your child quit school for the next semester because of lack of tuition, what would you do really?

    The sentiment is nice. Animal cruelty IS barbaric. But I wish you westerners could at least get the priorities straight. Feed the starving children first before screaming about how Ethiopians are biting the heads off cattle, you might say.

    If it were done in an affluent country, like the news above for example. Then yes, it's unnecessary cruelty. Probably more psychotic bloodlust in part of the participant than need.

    But... *sigh*

    Never mind. Sometimes, I really think you first worlders have been so insulated. icon_confused.gif I dunno if that makes you lucky or not.


    What a load of shit. I am calling bullshit upon you right now.

    Animal rights don't even exist in the third world, because every animal is precious and if they choose to eat them, they will eat the whole animal. Tripe, anyone?

    If I were you, I would stop putting words or actions into our "westerns" mouths and start looking at what the world would be without this "westerners" stuff.

    Attack the issue (which was cockfighting, by the way) instead of making fucking ignorant rants against a society which you have no fucking knowledge of.

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    Dec 17, 2008 1:38 AM GMT

    Uuuugh, who to agree with and slam the other, I like them both!
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    Dec 17, 2008 1:52 AM GMT
    Sedative for he does NOT speak for all people who was raised in the 3rd world countries. I now live in America (and proud to be a gay flag-waving Citizen) and proud to have both points of views, East & West, but I do not speak for both.

    Sedative has some points but some of it came across as preachy, attacking other culture's view and playing the 'woe-is-me-card'. Animal cruelty for sport so you can feed the children? It's a bet, so the person is going to think its either this money could be used for the kids but Im gonna gamble it for more, or I'm so stupid I lost all of it so therefore the kids are going to starve. Then the fucking manongs and manangs should cook that chicken so the children wouldn't starve.

    It's a sick sport, period. That was the point of this posting. Stick with it.

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  • SkyMiles

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    Dec 17, 2008 1:53 AM GMT
    It is, was, kind of a cultural thing down here in SC but more in decades past. Don't forget, there are still parts of America that are or were until recent times extremely rural.

    Hopefully playstations and cable tv will shunt this barbaric activity into history's dustbin.
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    Dec 17, 2008 2:03 AM GMT
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    What a load of shit. I am calling bullshit upon you right now.

    Animal rights don't even exist in the third world, because every animal is precious and if they choose to eat them, they will eat the whole animal. Tripe, anyone?


    Exactly my point. icon_rolleyes.gif I'm sure you guys only eat the best cuts, the best parts, the most edible portions, because... well, there's plenty of em around at prices where you can literally have steak breakfast, lunch, and dinner, right? All killed humanely of course.

    cronker said
    If I were you, I would stop putting words or actions into our "westerns" mouths and start looking at what the world would be without this "westerners" stuff.

    Attack the issue (which was cockfighting, by the way) instead of making fucking ignorant rants against a society which you have no fucking knowledge of.


    Whoa. I think it may do well to look at yourself first before calling anyone ignorant, sir. How much do you really know about our conditions? Ever visited a real slum? I betcha I know a lot more about your country than you do about oh.. any of the other third world countries out there, eh?

    By westerners, I meant first world citizens. By first world citizens, I mean people who are rich enough that they have the time and money to worry about things like animal rights in other countries.

    And jeez... pottymouth.

    Come on really... didn't you just call the people who engage in it 'sub-humans'? What about KFC then?

    Plus the other posters of course, being animal lovers that they are, advocate 20 years imprisonment with accompanying righteous indignation?! I mean seriously? And that is exactly the problem. You only see one issue at a time. You are blind to everything else. I suggested a sense of perspective and you take it as an insult? Sheesh.

    You're reacting like I just said cockfighting is a good honest living. I did NOT. I am as much of an animal lover as most of you, probably more than most of you. I just said step back from the comfort of your first-world amenities for a bit... and see the larger picture.

    As I said, cool. Go ahead. Because of course, animal lives are really top priority in countries where almost everyone is subsistence farming. icon_rolleyes.gif Really.
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    Dec 17, 2008 2:19 AM GMT
    withHonor saidSedative for he does NOT speak for all people who was raised in the 3rd world countries. I now live in America (and proud to be a gay flag-waving Citizen) and proud to have both points of views, East & West, but I do not speak for both.

    Sedative has some points but some of it came across as preachy, attacking other culture's view and playing the 'woe-is-me-card'. Animal cruelty for sport so you can feed the children? It's a bet, so the person is going to think its either this money could be used for the kids but Im gonna gamble it for more, or I'm so stupid I lost all of it so therefore the kids are going to starve. Then the fucking manongs and manangs should cook that chicken so the children wouldn't starve.

    It's a sick sport, period. That was the point of this posting. Stick with it.

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    I never said it isn't. Christ. How much contact did you have really with the people who engage in this? I live in a farming town, and I knew a lot of those people. The people who raise the roosters are mostly rich people, and the poorer folk only bet. It's gambling sure, but temptingly easy money for someone who ain't getting it from anywhere else anyway. You're filipino, you should know that. I'm not excusing it.

    There is a world of difference between gambling because you've got the money for it, to gambling because you really need more money... fast.

    Again, who's coming across as preachy here really?

    Me who advocates a wider perspective on the issue of animal cruelty in 3rd world countries or them who advocated 20 years imprisonment?

    I am not anti-western. It just amazes me how some people expect everyone else on the world to be as animal rights-conscious as they are. <- THAT is attacking their culture?

    P.S. I repeat. I have never condoned it, nor any other form of animal cruelty. We were raised to respect animals, though we are landowners and take our living primarily from farming.

    But before you wrinkle your nose at something barbaric, think of the context. That's all.
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    Dec 17, 2008 2:22 AM GMT
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    Hopefully playstations and cable tv will shunt this barbaric activity into history's dustbin.


    Word. LOL. We're just waiting for the old folks to die out, and then we'll start fighting wars in virtual reality. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 17, 2008 2:31 AM GMT
    Sedative said
    Colbert_Nation said
    Hopefully playstations and cable tv will shunt this barbaric activity into history's dustbin.


    Word. LOL. We're just waiting for the old folks to die out, and then we'll start fighting wars in virtual reality. icon_lol.gif


    Oh, YEAH! ;) Two words -- VIRTUAL COCKFIGHTING! Is there a video game designer in the house??! It could be the next Grand Theft Auto...at least in the south, and appalachia icon_biggrin.gif

    You can get a Hog/Dog expansion set! (eeeeeeeeew)
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    Dec 17, 2008 8:05 AM GMT
    withHonor said

    Sedative has some points but some of it came across as preachy, attacking other culture's view and playing the 'woe-is-me-card'. Animal cruelty for sport so you can feed the children? It's a bet, so the person is going to think its either this money could be used for the kids but Im gonna gamble it for more, or I'm so stupid I lost all of it so therefore the kids are going to starve. Then the fucking manongs and manangs should cook that chicken so the children wouldn't starve.



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    Give a man a cock, he eats for a day. Give him a good fighting cock he eats for a long time.

    He wasn't preachy, just giving a third-world perspective that most Americans don't get.

    Where I knew people that did this was rural southern ohio that had very little. I have lived and traveled in many places in the world where people don't even have walls for their homes. I was an anthropology major. So, I try and look at all sides of things, and have found that economics play a bigger role in decision making than what is "right."

    I think mechanized dairy production is torture, but no one can be without their cheese so here it is, accepted and profited, like cockfighting in other places.

    But if it wasn't for Westerners, where would the rest of the world be? I mean, how did it survive without America for 10,000 years?
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  • leatherman05

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    Dec 26, 2008 2:03 PM GMT
    i hate to see animals mistreated but i get a hardon watching men fight each other. guess i am seriously mixed up.