Cops Run amok again.

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    Feb 01, 2014 8:15 AM GMT
    Another reason to decriminalize or legalize.

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/roadside-violation-drivers-passengers-say-police-s/nc7kd/
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    Feb 01, 2014 12:56 PM GMT
    There are almost 18,000 state and local law enforcement agencies in the US. Is it any wonder there are inconsistencies to be found in the application of the criminal law?
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    Feb 01, 2014 5:06 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidAnother reason to decriminalize or legalize.

    Decriminalize or legalize what? That makes no sense.

    Ex_Mil8 saidThere are almost 18,000 state and local law enforcement agencies in the US. Is it any wonder there are inconsistencies to be found in the application of the criminal law?

    I agree. There are always going to issues, additional training needed, renegades that do their own thing and in this case it seems that there might be an issue that needs addressing.

    I don't see any reason when pulling someone over to search them in this manner. If you've pulled someone over for a moving violation or vehicle violation, why would you be patting them down? You issue a warning or a ticket and move on. If you are concerned with safety then a 'pat down' is just that, a pat down, not a cavity search. I would think that with the exception of the one case here where they felt the drive had drugs, the others were clearly 4th amendment violations. As for the other guy, if they didn't have probable cause to arrest him and they had no 'plain view' PC then a pat down for safety would be as far as they should be going. If the informant was enough PC to stop him then it should have been enough to arrest or at least detain him and take him to a more appropriate place for the full search.
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    Feb 01, 2014 5:11 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidAnother reason to decriminalize or legalize.

    Decriminalize or legalize what? That makes no sense.

    Ex_Mil8 saidThere are almost 18,000 state and local law enforcement agencies in the US. Is it any wonder there are inconsistencies to be found in the application of the criminal law?

    I agree. There are always going to issues, additional training needed, renegades that do their own thing and in this case it seems that there might be an issue that needs addressing.

    I don't see any reason when pulling someone over to search them in this manner. If you've pulled someone over for a moving violation or vehicle violation, why would you be patting them down? You issue a warning or a ticket and move on. If you are concerned with safety then a 'pat down' is just that, a pat down, not a cavity search. I would think that with the exception of the one case here where they felt the drive had drugs, the others were clearly 4th amendment violations. As for the other guy, if they didn't have probable cause to arrest him and they had no 'plain view' PC then a pat down for safety would be as far as they should be going. If the informant was enough PC to stop him then it should have been enough to arrest or at least detain him and take him to a more appropriate place for the full search.


    Take a wild guess at what I meant.

    Forfeiture laws have made a big incentive to turn minor traffic law violations into drug violation searches and then into seizure of property with much of the proceeds going to the local LEO agency.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 01, 2014 5:25 PM GMT
    American law enforcement is getting out of control, they are becoming too fascist. It is time to revisit these forfeiture laws and make revisions to them to prevent this kind of unruly, unconstitutional behavior by law enforcement officials. I blame both democrats and republicans for feeding popular hysteria by turning our country into a fascist police state where everyone and everything is under constant surveillance. I am sick and damned tired of hearing that same old song and dance that we need to be tough and it will save lives and make communities safer. The government on all levels has too much power over we the people. It is like the US wants to be exactly like Russia under Vladimir Putin's dictatorship. This is wrong.
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    Feb 01, 2014 5:36 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidAmerican law enforcement is getting out of control, they are becoming too fascist. It is time to revisit these forfeiture laws and make revisions to them to prevent this kind of unruly, unconstitutional behavior by law enforcement officials. I blame both democrats and republicans for feeding popular hysteria by turning our country into a fascist police state where everyone and everything is under constant surveillance. I am sick and damned tired of hearing that same old song and dance that we need to be tough and it will save lives and make communities safer. The government on all levels has too much power over we the people. It is like the US wants to be exactly like Russia under Vladimir Putin's dictatorship. This is wrong.

    I thought forfeiture laws were only applicable if someone broke the law. If someone is stopped for a moving violation and they aren't in possession of drugs or something else illegal then there's no forfeiture right? Wouldn't it be easier if people just quit trying to get away with doing things illegal? Perhaps being held accountable is viewed as being wrong and creates a dictatorship to you.
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    Feb 01, 2014 5:41 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidAmerican law enforcement is getting out of control, they are becoming too fascist. It is time to revisit these forfeiture laws and make revisions to them to prevent this kind of unruly, unconstitutional behavior by law enforcement officials. I blame both democrats and republicans for feeding popular hysteria by turning our country into a fascist police state where everyone and everything is under constant surveillance. I am sick and damned tired of hearing that same old song and dance that we need to be tough and it will save lives and make communities safer. The government on all levels has too much power over we the people. It is like the US wants to be exactly like Russia under Vladimir Putin's dictatorship. This is wrong.


    Yep, and they're capable of lying (and as with the word hate, I don't use that word lightly or often) as much as the common criminal .... when incentivized to do so.
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    Feb 02, 2014 7:53 AM GMT
    Given the right type and size of "incentive", the line between police and criminal gets REAL FUZZY....and NOT in a good way.
    Absolute authority corrupts absolutely.....icon_rolleyes.gif
  • chadwick1985

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    Feb 02, 2014 11:29 AM GMT
    What is supposed to happen is police officers are supposed to abide by the 4th amendment. Pulling someone over for a traffic violation while looking for drugs or impaired drivers is common place it seems the officers in these incidents need to be brought in for more training on what meets PC and what doesn't.

    While on a stop I can understand performing a weapons patdown for safety especially if the officer is alone and in the middle of no where however a search inside someones pockets / down the pants is not correct and unless proper PC can be articulated anything found during a search of this nature can be thrown out in court as fruit from the poison tree. Once a search is done improperly or without PC then any evidence found subsequent to said search is null and void.

    Im not even going to get into reasonable suspicion.

    Sounds like these officers need some more training and to be reminded of their oath to not only enforce laws but to protect and abide by the constitution.
  • PolitiMAC

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    Feb 02, 2014 12:18 PM GMT
    Sporty_G saidGiven the right type and size of "incentive", the line between police and criminal gets REAL FUZZY....and NOT in a good way.
    Absolute authority corrupts absolutely.....icon_rolleyes.gif


    It's 'absolute power corrupts absolutely'.

    Authority is not the problem. It's how people use it.