The billionaire brothers trying to buy America

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    Feb 01, 2014 1:41 PM GMT
    Two billionaire brothers have poured their fortune into a network of charitable organisations that are dedicated to supporting Republican causes and candidates.

    A recent study by the Washington Post and the Centre for Responsive Politics estimated that in the 2012 election cycle some 17 different Koch-backed groups, all under charitable social welfare status, spent a combined $400m trying to influence the outcome of the presidential race and scores of other elections across the US.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/charles-and-david-koch-the-billionaire-brothers-trying-to-buy-america-9100238.html
  • metta

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    May 20, 2014 7:13 PM GMT
    Koch Brothers Revealed In Damning Film Exposé

    "Koch Brothers Exposed"




    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/20/koch-brothers-movie_n_5353595.html


    You can watch this documentary here:

    http://www.bravenewfilms.org/koch_filmsignup
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    May 21, 2014 1:57 AM GMT
    Doesn't anyone have a problem with George Soros or Michael Bloomberg funding various groups? Or, that's ok because they're left wing groups?
  • topathlete

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    May 21, 2014 2:46 AM GMT
    14 of America’s 25 Biggest Campaign Donors Are Unions
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3822142/

    It turns out the 'Evil' Koch Bros. are only the 59th biggest donors in American politics. Can you guess who is number one?
    the six biggest union donors in American politics gave 15 times more to mostly Democrats than the Evil Koch Bros.
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/it-turns-out-the-evil-koch-bros.-are-only-the-59th-biggest-donors-in-american-politics.-can-you-guess-who-is-number-one/article/2544025
  • metta

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    May 21, 2014 5:09 AM GMT
    Blakes7 saidDoesn't anyone have a problem with George Soros or Michael Bloomberg funding various groups? Or, that's ok because they're left wing groups?



    I would like to see all forms of political donations become illegal, however, Soros and Bloomberg are not in the same league as the Koch brothers that are doing their best to harm this country and planet for their own self interest. With the hundreds of millions of dollars they are spending, they are one of the biggest enemies in trying to protect a decent quality of life for future generations.
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    May 21, 2014 5:17 AM GMT
    Not to be a judgmental stereotyping bitch but, look at them (their skin sag and eyes)

    Those are signs of too many nights in dimly lit smoke filled bars

    Good customers but, only when they're paying
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    May 21, 2014 5:21 AM GMT
    Koch is bad, mmkay?
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    May 21, 2014 10:40 AM GMT
    metta8 said
    Blakes7 saidDoesn't anyone have a problem with George Soros or Michael Bloomberg funding various groups? Or, that's ok because they're left wing groups?



    I would like to see all forms of political donations become illegal, however, Soros and Bloomberg are not in the same league as the Koch brothers that are doing their best to harm this country and planet for their own self interest. With the hundreds of millions of dollars they are spending, they are one of the biggest enemies in trying to protect a decent quality of life for future generations.



    So it's ok because they're left wing groups. Can't you see the double standard?
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    May 21, 2014 4:15 PM GMT
    Blakes7 said
    metta8 said
    Blakes7 saidDoesn't anyone have a problem with George Soros or Michael Bloomberg funding various groups? Or, that's ok because they're left wing groups?



    I would like to see all forms of political donations become illegal, however, Soros and Bloomberg are not in the same league as the Koch brothers that are doing their best to harm this country and planet for their own self interest. With the hundreds of millions of dollars they are spending, they are one of the biggest enemies in trying to protect a decent quality of life for future generations.



    So it's ok because they're left wing groups. Can't you see the double standard?


    Please reread what I wrote.
  • metta

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    May 21, 2014 4:16 PM GMT
    "In the 2012 presidential election cycle, the Koch’s right-wing donor network spent $400 million on electioneering."

    11 things the Koch brothers don’t want you to know
    http://www.salon.com/2014/05/21/11_things_the_koch_brothers_dont_want_you_to_know_partner/

    Here are 11 things the Kochs don’t want you to know about them.

    1. The family’s $100 billion fortune comes mostly from a massive network of oil and gas pipelines, and investments in other polluting industries like paper and plastics. The brothers inherited the seed money for their holdings from their father Fred Koch, who made his first fortune building oil pipelines for the Russian dictator Joseph Stalin in the 1930s. Back in the states, Fred Koch supported racial segregation and white supremacist groups like the John Birch Society.

    2. Koch Industries is the second largest privately held company in America, worth upwards of $80 billion. It is one of the country’s top 15 polluters, responsible for more than 300 oil spills. It has paid over $100 million in fines and been found guilty by a federal jury of stealing oil from Native American lands.

    3. The Kochs have invested multi-millions in more than 85 right-wing organizations over the years to push an anti-government, libertarian agenda. Many local Tea Party chapters were fronts for Americans for Prosperity, one of their groups. Another big recipient, ALEC, or the American Legislative Exchange Council, drafts bills and talking points that Republican officials cite again and again. In the 2012 presidential election cycle, the Koch’s right-wing donor network spent $400 million on electioneering.

    4. The brothers work to create legal decisions to empower their efforts. They brought two U.S. Supreme Court Justices, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, to give speeches at their invitation-only gatherings for libertarian industrialists. That was before the Court issued itsCitizens Unitedruling, gutting federal laws that restricted the kinds of outside campaigns they bankroll. They funded groups that filed thousands of pages of legal briefs to attack those election laws. After the Court threw out federal campaign restrictions in 2010—a ruling they help to write—the Kochs began to spend unprecedented sums to sway elections.

    5. Americans for Prosperity led a successful takeover of the school board in Wake County, North Carolina in 2009, which then ended student busing to resegregate high schools. They resurrected the coded rhetoric of the old South, using terms like “forced busing” and “neighborhood schools.” After hundreds of students were sent to other schools, the uproar was so great the AFP slate was voted out two years later, but not before the kids experienced racism and prejudice.

    6. As donors to higher education, the Kochs have designed grant agreements with more than 150 colleges and universities where they restrict academic freedom by exerting control over who gets hired. The programs they fund present only their views in class, curricula and in their research. They promote pro-business, libertarian inquiry, which does not allow the facts and results to lead to their own conclusions. Faculties at many universities have protested these donations and threats to academic freedom.

    7. AFP was one of the lead groups in Wisconsin, encouraging Republican Gov. Scott Walker to revoke collective bargaining agreements with public employees—except for police and firefighters, who tend to support the GOP and law-and-order politicians. Through national legal advocacy groups like ALEC, they have introduced scores of reactionary anti-union bills in dozens of states.

    8. Other Koch-funded efforts include the Republican national effort to unduly police the voting process to discourage young people, minorities and senior from casting ballots. The reactionary voting rights bills they have introduced in dozens of states impose stricter voter ID requirements, which do not prevent people from registering to vote but will keep them from getting a ballot if they cannot present specific paperwork. AFP and other Koch-funded groups, such as True The Vote, have recruited and trained mostly white poll watchers to challenge the credentials of mostly non-white voters, creating a climate of fear and intimidation around voting.

    9. The Koch brothers make $13 million a day from their investments, but they want to eliminate minimum wage laws and oppose any increases. People earning the federal minimum wage earn about $60 a day. A minimum wage worker would have to work almost 700 years to earn what the Kochs make in a day. (Koch-funded politicians have proposed 67 bills in 25 states to reduce the minimum wage.)

    10. The Koch brothers want to destroy the most popular government program of all, Social Security, by funding right-wing think tanks that spread misinformation about Social Security’s long-term financial health, claiming it will not survive. They want people to invest their retirement savings on Wall Street, which is riskier and would earn billions in fees for investment firms. They want to raise the retirement age for Social Security to 70, which would especially penalize blue-collar workers who do manual labor, as their bodies wear out more quickly than white-collar workers.

    11. The Koch brothers’ massive investments and holdings are literally killing the planet, because their primary business is transporting gas and oil. That includes the Canadian oil tar sands, which is the dirtiest source of fossil fuel on earth. If these sands are developed for the U.S. or Chinese markets, it would be the biggest carbon bomb in decades, hastening the progress of global climate change.
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    May 21, 2014 4:21 PM GMT
    metta8 said
    Blakes7 said
    metta8 said
    Blakes7 saidDoesn't anyone have a problem with George Soros or Michael Bloomberg funding various groups? Or, that's ok because they're left wing groups?



    I would like to see all forms of political donations become illegal, however, Soros and Bloomberg are not in the same league as the Koch brothers that are doing their best to harm this country and planet for their own self interest. With the hundreds of millions of dollars they are spending, they are one of the biggest enemies in trying to protect a decent quality of life for future generations.



    So it's ok because they're left wing groups. Can't you see the double standard?


    Please reread what I wrote.

    Oh, Metta, you should know that you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
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    May 21, 2014 6:06 PM GMT
    I think the answer lies with why did they cared about 1 particular school district in North Carolina enough to influence the school board elections. And then after the board did the Kochs work, the people in the district were so angry that they voted out the board.

    So why would the Kochs care about something that small in a state that hey have no personal connections?
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    May 21, 2014 7:00 PM GMT
    Double standards ok as long as your agenda is promoted=hypocrisy.

    So the end justifies any means. What's it like to be so inconsistent? Ever hear of fairness?
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    May 21, 2014 7:11 PM GMT
    ^^
    What double standard?

    I avoid politics
    Post about Michael Blomberg, I might hate what he is doing too.
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    May 21, 2014 7:13 PM GMT
    That Koch family is quite the mess. Interesting that no one ever talks about the eldest brother, Fred, who is super gay, but this was just published in Vanity Fair.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/society/2014/05/frederick-koch-brothers
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    May 21, 2014 7:14 PM GMT
    Snaz saidNot to be a judgmental stereotyping bitch but, look at them (their skin sag and eyes)

    Those are signs of too many nights in dimly lit smoke filled bars

    Good customers but, only when they're paying


    lol George Soros looks like a corpse too
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    May 21, 2014 7:22 PM GMT
    Lol basically the other koch cares about interior design and luxury living yet flies commercial, boring but, I suppose it must be nice... opulence and all

    I felt slightly bitter for a moment then was like, ehh I hate fundraisers.

    Lol Lol serious yes corpse like is exactly it.

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    May 21, 2014 7:23 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidDouble standards ok as long as your agenda is promoted=hypocrisy.

    So the end justifies any means. What's it like to be so inconsistent? Ever hear of fairness?


    The topic of this thread is the Kochs and their actions that have and are having in politics which are affecting Americans. Why can't you stay on topic? We know lots of others do similar things from all different angles. If you want to talk about Soros, fine, go start another thread. This one is about the Kochs. From their involvement in segregating a North Carolina School district to the Keystone Pipeline where they will profit $100 billion while putting precious eco-systems in danger to their opposition of potential aid for the city of Detroit by the state of Michigan to the unusually high rate of lung cancer deaths in non-smokers on a small road near a deregulated Georgia-Pacific power plant in Crossett, Arkansas to their personal connection with Chief Justice Robers and Justice Thomas who were both invited to one of their close door gathering, and those two justices who ruled in favor of the Kochs and their big money by giving us the Citizens United ruling, a ruling that has allowed the Kochs to further buy politicians to instill their political ideology even if it goes against the majority of this nation and it's people.

    So if you want to post similar stories about Soros or any other liberal billionaires, such as the Gates or Buffet, then please start a thread and share them with us. We would love to hear their harmful effects on the lives of Americans.

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    May 21, 2014 7:31 PM GMT
    ^^

    we like our bickering balanced lol

    metta only posted the Koch's because they are right-wing douche bags instead of left-wing douche bags
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    May 21, 2014 7:34 PM GMT
    tj85016 said^^

    we like our bickering balanced lol

    metta only posted the Koch's because they are right-wing douche bags instead of left-wing douche bags


    Metta didn't start this thread.
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    May 21, 2014 7:37 PM GMT
    The true villains are lazy voters who can't be bothered to make an informed decision. My dad was a stereotypic proud union activist who stumped for the left-ish party in Canada every election and while he constantly railed against Big Business and their political lackeys he reserved his contempt for lazy and indifferent voters. They're the biggest threat to democracy.
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    May 21, 2014 8:58 PM GMT
    All I did was ask why it's ok to complain about the rich donating to right leaning groups but not ok to ask about the rich donating to left wing groups. In other words, I challenged his premise, which is taboo in a leftist world. Double standards abound.
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    May 21, 2014 9:14 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidAll I did was ask why it's ok to complain about the rich donating to right leaning groups but not ok to ask about the rich donating to left wing groups. In other words, I challenged his premise, which is taboo in a leftist world. Double standards abound.


    Please reread what I typed, especially the very 1st sentence.
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    May 21, 2014 10:18 PM GMT
    So basically blakes wants to make a statement about politics in general

    Anyway so Koch are nay :/ right, yes, correct?
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    May 22, 2014 12:04 AM GMT
    I got a kick out of this.