The Low-Carbohydrate Diet and Cardiovascular Risk Factors: Evidence from Epidemiologic Studies

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    Feb 03, 2014 5:34 PM GMT
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0939475313003153?np=y

    Recent randomized controlled trials document that low-carbohydrate diets not only decrease body weight but also improve cardiovascular risk factors. In light of this evidence from randomized controlled trials, dietary guidelines should be re-visited advocating a healthy low carbohydrate dietary pattern as an alternative dietary strategy for the prevention of obesity and cardiovascular disease risk factors.
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    Feb 04, 2014 1:22 AM GMT
    Carbs and fats are not made equal.
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    Feb 06, 2014 3:10 PM GMT
    It is a fact that, for most folks with blood lipid issues (high LDL, or more precisely high LDL-P), a low carb approach will yield better results than a low fat approach. Carbohydrate exposure triggers the liver to produce small LDL particles.

    Overreliance on saturated fats can be an issue for people with some genetic makeups, as can overconsumption of protein.
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    Feb 06, 2014 4:35 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidhttp://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0939475313003153?np=y

    Recent randomized controlled trials document that low-carbohydrate diets not only decrease body weight but also improve cardiovascular risk factors. In light of this evidence from randomized controlled trials, dietary guidelines should be re-visited advocating a healthy low carbohydrate dietary pattern as an alternative dietary strategy for the prevention of obesity and cardiovascular disease risk factors.


    The Paleo diet is not low carb as many think . It's no on synthetic, processed carbs which is a big difference. Eating uprocessed veggies meets anyone's carb requirement.
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    Feb 06, 2014 4:40 PM GMT
    I assume this doesn't apply to "good carbs" live veggies. Yes?
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    Feb 06, 2014 4:44 PM GMT
    ^ It depends on what you're worried about.

    In general (and I mean general), carbohydrate other than fiber is carbohydrate, and will have similar effects on your blood lipid profile. The value of "complex" carbohydrates (even "primal" or "paleo" ones) in this realm has been overstated. I had problems even on a paleo diet.

    If you don't have blood lipid issues, you may not need to worry so much about this.

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    Feb 06, 2014 5:13 PM GMT
    More data needed.


    One twin gave up sugar, the other gave up fat. Their experiment could change YOUR life
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3656565

    "Well-respected scientists will tell you that if you cut out carbohydrates (thus lowering your insulin levels), it's almost impossible to gain weight.

    These scientists believe reducing our sugar intake is the only way to solve the obesity epidemic.

    But, as our results show, it's a bit more complicated than this."



    "What we discovered is that the real reason we're all getting fatter isn't fat or sugar."
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    Feb 06, 2014 7:12 PM GMT
    ^ I put my thoughts about that "experiment" in the other thread.
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    Feb 06, 2014 7:23 PM GMT
    showme said^ I put my thoughts about that "experiment" in the other thread.

    The twin who went on it said he lost weight but also lost a lot of mental acuity. Then he got sent to Kentucky. A sad end all 'round.
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    Feb 06, 2014 8:17 PM GMT
    I watched that Horizon documentary with the twins.

    It was scary because the low carb twin had a higher chance of becoming diabetic which doesn't add up with a lot of low carb advocate evidence.

    Honestly any extreme diet either way just confuses the fuck out of me pros and cons wise but there's plenty of evidence to suggest carbs and in particular sugar can up risk factors.
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    Feb 06, 2014 8:21 PM GMT
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    showme said^ I put my thoughts about that "experiment" in the other thread.

    The twin who went on it said he lost weight but also lost a lot of mental acuity. Then he got sent to Kentucky. A sad end all 'round.


    Kentucky, you say? 'Tis a pity. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 06, 2014 8:26 PM GMT
    showme said
    Aristoshark said
    showme said^ I put my thoughts about that "experiment" in the other thread.

    The twin who went on it said he lost weight but also lost a lot of mental acuity. Then he got sent to Kentucky. A sad end all 'round.


    Kentucky, you say? 'Tis a pity. icon_biggrin.gif

    Yes, and no one ever heard from him again. No cellphone reception down in the holler, you know.
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    Feb 06, 2014 8:29 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    showme said
    Aristoshark said
    showme said^ I put my thoughts about that "experiment" in the other thread.

    The twin who went on it said he lost weight but also lost a lot of mental acuity. Then he got sent to Kentucky. A sad end all 'round.


    Kentucky, you say? 'Tis a pity. icon_biggrin.gif

    Yes, and no one ever heard from him again. No cellphone reception down in the holler, you know.


    I hear you can get a fabulous coat of many colors if you live in the holler. I'm gonna put in for one.
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    Feb 06, 2014 8:33 PM GMT
    metta8 saidMore data needed.


    One twin gave up sugar, the other gave up fat. Their experiment could change YOUR life
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3656565

    "Well-respected scientists will tell you that if you cut out carbohydrates (thus lowering your insulin levels), it's almost impossible to gain weight.

    These scientists believe reducing our sugar intake is the only way to solve the obesity epidemic.

    But, as our results show, it's a bit more complicated than this."



    "What we discovered is that the real reason we're all getting fatter isn't fat or sugar."


    Regardless of what diet one recommends, someone will object. It makes no sense to make radical changes to one's diet every time a new study is published.

    What we really need is balance. If we reduce carbohydrates excessively, we will have to increase the amount of fat and / or protein we eat. It has been established that, at least for some people, excessive protein can cause kidney damage. Excessive fat, especially saturated and trans fats, increases low density cholesterol leading to clogged arteries. Quite likely the optimal diet is not the same for everyone. Fortunately there is considerable flexibility so if a diet deviates only slightly from optimal, it probably doesn't much matter.

    Probably the major portion of one's diet should be carbohydrates, but not simple sugars which, of course, are also carbohydrates.

    I have never been even slightly overweight yet my diet is heavy on carbohydrates. However, I eschew sugar and products which contain added sugar and sodium.
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    Feb 06, 2014 8:36 PM GMT
    whateveryo saidI watched that Horizon documentary with the twins.

    It was scary because the low carb twin had a higher chance of becoming diabetic which doesn't add up with a lot of low carb advocate evidence.

    Honestly any extreme diet either way just confuses the fuck out of me pros and cons wise but there's plenty of evidence to suggest carbs and in particular sugar can up risk factors.


    With the emphasis on "...and in particular sugar...".
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    metta8 saidMore data needed.


    One twin gave up sugar, the other gave up fat. Their experiment could change YOUR life
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/3656565

    "Well-respected scientists will tell you that if you cut out carbohydrates (thus lowering your insulin levels), it's almost impossible to gain weight.

    These scientists believe reducing our sugar intake is the only way to solve the obesity epidemic.

    But, as our results show, it's a bit more complicated than this."



    "What we discovered is that the real reason we're all getting fatter isn't fat or sugar."


    Regardless of what diet one recommends, someone will object. It makes no sense to make radical changes to one's diet every time a new study is published.

    What we really need is balance. If we reduce carbohydrates excessively, we will have to increase the amount of fat and / or protein we eat. It has been established that, at least for some people, excessive protein can cause kidney damage. Excessive fat, especially saturated and trans fats, increases low density cholesterol leading to clogged arteries. Quite likely the optimal diet is not the same for everyone. Fortunately there is considerable flexibility so if a diet deviates only slightly from optimal, it probably doesn't much matter.

    Probably the major portion of one's diet should be carbohydrates, but not simple sugars which, of course, are also carbohydrates.

    I have never been even slightly overweight yet my diet is heavy on carbohydrates. However, I eschew sugar and products which contain added sugar and sodium.


    I think there are a few things to note about this article. The findings reported here actually are not from a singular study. Rather, this article is a systematic review of research, where the authors went through databases where studies are typically published, and basically summarized and reported their findings. It's a study of studies, essentially. And what they are saying here is that based on the set of studies that they've chosen to include in their synthesis (randomized control trials comparing low-carb diets to isocaloric low-fat diets published in the MEDLINE database from Jan 1966 - Nov 2013), low carbohydrate diets decrease body weight and reduce cardiovascular risk factors (e.g., fasting levels of blood glucose, LDL cholesterol, and blood pressure).

    The article also addresses the different types of carbohydrates one can consume. The article notes that, "carbohydrates derived from the intake of nutrient-rich fruits, vegetables, legumes and some whole grains are often accompanied by significant amounts of dietary fiber," are associated with many health benefits. Meanwhile, they discourage the consumption of refined grain products. They even provide a list of some dietary choices worth considering: "In summary, a healthy low-carbohydrate dietary pattern should emphasize dietary fiber intake derived from whole grains, fiber-rich fruit, low-carbohydrate vegetables (such as green leafy vegetables, legumes, and cruciferous vegetables), avocado, olive and vegetable oils, soy, fish and chicken, and restrict or eliminate consumption of processed and unprocessed red meat as well as starchy vegetables and refined grains."

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    Feb 26, 2014 6:13 PM GMT
    Dumb it down. We were evolved a long time ago and would have to eat what we found. Animals and plants (although some plants don't want to be eaten and either poison us instantly or over a Long time). If you can't find it in nature you shouldn't be eating it. Part of the problem is just that our bodies are actually too efficient in processing what we put into them that the stuff we shouldn't be eating still gets used it just takes a long time for most of the negatives to show up.