NFL player Jonathan Vilma worried a gay teammate would check him out in the shower

  • metta

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    Feb 04, 2014 8:28 PM GMT
    NFL player Jonathan Vilma worried a gay teammate would check him out in the shower

    'I get dressed, naked, taking a shower, the whole nine, and it just so happens he looks at me, how am I supposed to respond?'


    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/nfl-player-jonathan-vilma-worried-gay-teammate-would-check-him-out-shower040214
  • metta

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    Feb 04, 2014 8:28 PM GMT
    https://www.facebook.com/jonathanvilma
  • starboard5

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    Feb 05, 2014 5:39 AM GMT
    Not sure why, but my first thought when I read this wasn't about homophobia but rather how screwed up we (Americans) are about nudity in general.
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    Feb 05, 2014 6:19 AM GMT
    Vilma must be on the DL
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    Feb 05, 2014 6:41 AM GMT
    Someone should just tell him that chances are, its already happened many times before.
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    Feb 05, 2014 7:35 AM GMT
    That statement is so dumb, it doesn't even warrant a response. So someone checks you out? Big deal.
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    Feb 05, 2014 12:08 PM GMT
    strongbull saidSomeone should just tell him that chances are, its already happened many times before.


    after all the threads I saw with people complaining about the towel dance I'm gonna agree they're already checking him out lol
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    Feb 05, 2014 2:25 PM GMT
    They've already seen you, Jonny. And they're not impressed. There's nothing to "respond" to.
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    Feb 05, 2014 2:54 PM GMT
    On the subject of showers, here in ATL we've got an ex-NFL player who's a sports radio host during mid-day. He will likely bring up the subject again today, in light of Vilma's remarks, but his commentary when things like Vilma or Culliver hit the news is always something like this:

    "At the end of the day, you're a professional athlete. And when you're paid to be an athlete, you expect to be 'comfortable'. If I'm the owner of a pro sports team, I want my athletes to be 'comfortable', if I expect them to play at their best. If athletes need shower partitions, or a room set aside so they can be comfortable, I don't see why they shouldn't have them."

    "Comfortable athletes" is the compelling nature of his argument. Where it gets twisted into making the argument a fallacy is the locker room feature winds up being a partition/segregation not used by the "uncomfortable" athlete(s), but for the "gay/bi/transgender" athlete that somehow makes the other player "uncomfortable". Due to his sexual orientation, the guy perfectly "comfortable" in his own skin would have to now make accommodations for the handful of guys that are only "comfortable" when he's not around.

    We're also falsely led to believe that for guys like Vilma, this alleged "discomfort" only extends to the moments they are disrobed. As an owner/GM/coach, can you demand the gay player's locker be far enough away from Vilma to minimize eye contact, or should that player be required to sit in a separate room while the "straight" guys dress "comfortably?" Is the player allowed to sit next to Vilma on the sideline, or on the team bus? Do you have to ensure they won't have to share a hotel room together? What happens during tackling drills and scrimmages? Can the gay player pat Vilma on the bum after a great play, or chest bump, or hug, without Vilma freaking out? How much "comfort" will guys like Vilma need? To the point that teammates are getting Jim Crowed?

    To fix Vilma's issue, he needs to get to the source of his "discomfort" and deal with it internally. Not externalizing his personal issues, and creating "uncomfortable" gay teammates worried about every look/step/move/gesture they make in the locker room around him.
  • hebrewman

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    Feb 05, 2014 3:14 PM GMT
    god I wish I could fix stupid.
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Feb 05, 2014 3:35 PM GMT
    Agree with others that it is likely already happening.

    That said I think his gay teammates would be more concerned with his 2012 suspension for pay for pain scandel.
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    Feb 05, 2014 3:41 PM GMT
    LuckyGuyKC saidAgree with others that it is likely already happening.

    That said I think his gay teammates would be more concerned with his 2012 suspension for pay for pain scandal.


    ^this
  • Danskerb

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    Feb 05, 2014 4:56 PM GMT
    I would probably have sex with the guy. It's the only polite reaction.
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    Feb 05, 2014 4:56 PM GMT
    Having seen his picture, I think he's flattering himself.
  • metta

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    Feb 11, 2014 8:40 AM GMT
    New Orleans Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma says he would be 'A-OK' with an openly gay teammate


    http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2014/02/new_orleans_saints_linebacker_67.html



    Jonathan Vilma on his comments about playing with a gay NFL teammate: "it is a poor example of me trying to demonstrate the dynamics of the locker room"