Would you say golf is a sport or a sporting event?

  • PipHop

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    Dec 17, 2008 7:19 PM GMT
    A friend and I have been debating about whether or not golf is a sport. He says yes, it's a sport because it's a physically grueling competition. I say no; because a man in his 50's or 40's really can't physically compete with one in his 20's or 30's (with the exception being strong man competitions and marathons) and win. What do you think?
  • reliable1

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    Dec 17, 2008 9:59 PM GMT
    Golf is a sport, not one of my favorites, but it is one. Other than for the pitcher and catcher, baseball isn't necessarily grueling for most players either, but few people would argue it isn't a sport because of that.
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    Dec 17, 2008 10:46 PM GMT
    Not a sport. Just an excuse for men to get out of the house or work.
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    Dec 17, 2008 10:48 PM GMT
    YES! You try driving a little bitty ball down the green and be intoxicated!!!! Sheesh!!!
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    Dec 17, 2008 10:49 PM GMT
    Not a sport nor anything. It's just dumb, dumb, dumb, and a total waste of time.
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    Dec 17, 2008 10:49 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidNot a sport nor anything. It's just dumb, dumb, dumb, and a total waste of time.


    I LOVE Golfing!!!!


    See previous post
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    Dec 17, 2008 10:55 PM GMT
    Even though Tiger Woods has been athlete of the year and sportsman of the millennium and more, I always think of golf as a ...

    game.

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    Dec 18, 2008 12:56 AM GMT
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    Dec 21, 2008 5:50 AM GMT
    I don't understand how people can watch golf. It may be slightly entertaining to play but geez, to watch it? It's not like it's baseball where you got beefy guys with 'staches slapping each others' asses.
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    Dec 21, 2008 9:52 AM GMT
    Buckwheet saidI don't understand how people can watch golf. It may be slightly entertaining to play but geez, to watch it? It's not like it's baseball where you got beefy guys with 'staches slapping each others' asses.



    "beefy guys with 'staches slapping each others' asses." yuckO!

    Golf is a game where people in ugly clothes hang out in beautifully landscaped area. Sport? not really.
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    Dec 31, 2008 4:34 PM GMT
    If golf is a sport, then I'd put it on the low end of "physically grueling" sports.

    I don't see the appeal of golf...
  • irishboxers

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    Jan 01, 2009 4:30 PM GMT
    While I respect everyone's opinion...

    Golf requires a high amount of core strength (yes, John Daly, too), mental and physical stamina (have you ever played 18 holes in July heat without a cart? Try to do it 4 days in a row), hand/eye coordination, strategy, and technical skill. You can play it and suck at all of those things, but to play it well you need them. Those requirements would be similar to football, soccer, baseball, basketball.

    Newer golf players (Tiger, Adam Scott, Brandt Snedeker, Eric Axley, even Phil) take their fitness more seriously than ten years ago when bellies were common (Craig Stadler, anyone?). When millions of dollars are on the line, they don't want to blow a shot because they're tired or out of shape. Think some of these guys aren't in good shape? Have you not seen Tiger's abs?

    Is golf a sport? Is it covered on ESPN and SportCenter?

    Yes.
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    Jan 02, 2009 12:16 AM GMT
    I don't see the appeal of golf...

    Ah, but few do until they play it.
  • Bunjamon

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    Jan 02, 2009 12:27 AM GMT
    Golf is not a sport. Do the guys who play golf look like athletes? The vast majority of them are overweight men who grew up in America's finest country clubs (there are a few exceptions, but not many...). Plus, golf is far from physically grueling. Most PGA guys don't even walk the course or carry their own clubs. Physically grueling my ass.

    Golf is a game. It requires a lot of patience and skill to master. So does poker. And poker is covered on TV, too. But poker is not a sport, and neither is golf.
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    Jan 02, 2009 12:41 AM GMT
    I could ask whether Snooker is a sport. Or Darts. At another thread, someone asked why Hiking is not a sport, despite that where hills and tough terrain is concerned, Hiking can be very strenious. I explained that the reason Hiking is not a sport was because it is not competitive. I have not heard of a hiking foot-race.
    But Golf is a sport, as with Darts, Snooker, Football, Athletics etc. where one competes against another, usually for a prize, whether cash or a trophy.
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    Jan 02, 2009 7:16 AM GMT
    Most PGA guys don't even walk the course or carry their own clubs

    I tend to agree with you, bunjamon, that golf is a game - though most any really good golfer is an athlete.

    But in fact, tournament golf in the PGA is played without the aid of motorized carts, and the course must be walked. Hence the controversy in the cases cited below:

    Two recent federal court decisions related to the use of golf carts in professional competition have produced significantly different outcomes. The U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals (March 6, 2000) in San Francisco upheld a lower court's decision that Casey Martin, who had been diagnosed with a degenerative circulatory disorder of his right leg, should be allowed to use a golf cart on the Professional Golf Association (PGA) Tour (Case Number 98-35309).

    A day later, however, the U.S. Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago denied Ford Olinger the right to use a golf cart in the United States Golf Association (USGA) sponsored tournament-the U.S. Open. Olinger, also recognized nationally as a highly skilled golfer, plays with a severe degenerative condition, significantly impairing his ability to walk (Case Number 99-2580). There is no dispute that both Martin and Olinger have profound disabilities. Both golfers sued under Title TII of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).
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    Jan 02, 2009 7:46 AM GMT
    A lot of interesting and varied criteria for "what is a sport" or "what is a game."

    Some from above:

    1) Physically demanding
    2) Not be possible for "old guys" (40's 50's) to beat young guys (20's 30's)
    3) On ESPN
    4) Enjoyable to watch for the person making the "sport or not" decision
    5) Enjoyable to play for the person making the "sport or not" decision
    6) The players must "look like" athletes (i.e. no "guts")
    7) Must not be "dumb" or a "waste of time"

    There's a lot more I'm sure. For example:

    8 ) The IOC thinks its a sport
    9) People can make a living playing it
    10) There are organized competitions at the high school and college level

    Etc.

    I've actually thought about this a lot (unprofessionally -- I'm not a licensed sports philosopher), and I think sports and games, like beauty, are in the eye of the beholder. So, like beauty, the topic provides endless discussion fodder, but never any real conclusion.

    To that end, I'll toss in my own idiosyncratic criteria: a sport has to be scored objectively, not judged subjectively. This, of course, rules out gymnastics, diving, bodybuilding, and others I'm sure. But my criteria is no more or less goofy than any of the other previous ones mentioned. For example, rule # 6 above would rule out American football.

    So, by my goofy criteria: golf is a sport.*

    * Full disclosure: I golf. Love to play it, but can't stand watching it.**

    **Random observation: My own personal shorthand definition of a "masculine gay guy" is that he golfs, or at least doesn't look at me like I killed a puppy when I say I do.

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    Jan 02, 2009 4:43 PM GMT
    iguana, you remind me that in high school I was able to drop Phys Ed by going out for the golf team. This required that instead of 45 minutes of dodgeball or archery or rope climbing twice a week, I would walk the approximately 1.5-2 mile length of the nine hole course while shooting my vastly over par best, losing a few balls in the water and coming home drained from the experience most days, as the course, outside a small Nebraska town, generally was plagued by stiff winds. The early months of the spring season were particularly unpleasant!

    But still, it was out of the gym, out of school and kind of fun. It would have been more fun if I had gotten some coaching!

    The two brothers who were the backbone of the team, both state champions and both later pros for a number of years, were track and cross-country runners and basketball players as well as golfers.

    I must say watching the great ones on TV inspires some kind of amazement: firing a two-inch hardball hundreds of yards by swinging a stick at it, and with the accuracy of a rifle? Astounding at times. Then the same muscle control goes into tapping that ball 35 feet across grass to a hole no larger than those on a billiard table ...

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    Jan 02, 2009 4:51 PM GMT
    What started as a big waste of land space is now both: a sport and a sporting event, but then aren't they all both??
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    Jan 02, 2009 4:52 PM GMT
    Sure it's a sport... this is even a question?
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    Jan 02, 2009 5:07 PM GMT
    pedro, I'd amend your comment to say that golf didn't start out as a waste of land, but rather has turned into that - in some places anyway. More accurately, a hog of water - in some localities a serious drain on water resources. But well-planned golf facilities can be an environmental benefit, of a kind, if the use of pesticides and herbicides and water is carefully regulated.
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    Jan 02, 2009 5:14 PM GMT
    LeBron James,Kobe Bryant.Derek Jeter,Rafael Nadal,Randy Moss are athletes, John Daly isn't. Just because Tiger Woods is a fitness Marvel doesn't qualify a casual event he plays as a sport. Defense is played in every sport, no defense in golf, it's not a real sport that is usually played for casual means only.
  • dhinkansas

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    Jan 02, 2009 5:37 PM GMT
    Try pulling your golf bag around for 18 holes...a good four hours...skip the cart and try this. I never thought it was a sport either until I played it. Don't worry about chipping your nails boys and get out and try it.
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    Jan 02, 2009 5:38 PM GMT
    It's a sport.

    Yes that makes John Daly an athlete, but that doesn't make him athletic.
  • MuslDrew

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    Jan 02, 2009 5:53 PM GMT
    I've always viewed it as more of a game than a sport. Mainly due to the alcohol consumption by golfers prior to and during the game.