CBO reports Obamacare frees up 2 million jobs and improves economy -- Republicans lie about it

  • TroyAthlete

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    Feb 04, 2014 10:27 PM GMT
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/04/1274963/-No-the-latest-CBO-report-doesn-t-say-Obamacare-kills-jobs

    No, the latest CBO report doesn't say Obamacare kills jobs

    The new report [pdf] does say that yes, by 2024 the law will reduce full-time employment by 2 million. But that's not 2 million jobs killed. In fact, the CBO actually confirms one of the things supporters of the new law said it would do: provide people who can't or don't want to work full time, who want to quit their jobs to stay at home with their children or to start a new business, the freedom to do just that. Right there in the report on page 117 (yes, that's a lot of pages for conservatives to read) it says:

    "The estimated reduction [in CBO's projections of hours worked] stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply rather than a net drop in businesses demand for labor. [...]"

    The CBO is not assuming that the law will lead employers to eliminate jobs or reduce hours, and actually says that there is "no compelling evidence that part-time employment has increased as a result of the ACA." It also says this:

    The ACA's subsidies for health insurance will both stimulate demand for health care services and allow low-income households to redirect some of the funds that they would have spent on that care toward the purchase of other goods and services—thereby increasing overall demand. That increase in overall demand while the economy remains somewhat weak will induce some employers to hire more workers or to increase the hours of current employees during that period.



    http://liberalvaluesblog.com/2014/02/04/cbo-report-shows-how-affordable-care-act-frees-employees-from-working-or-losing-employer-based-insurance/

    CBO Report Shows Affordable Care Act Frees Employees From Working Or Losing Employer-Based Insurance

    The Congressional Budget Office has a report out today which is creating a lot of attention, largely due to a misleading but sensational headline in publications such as The Hill regarding decreased employment attributed to the Affordable Care Act. They predict that there will be two million fewer full time workers by 2017...The key factor here, as described The Wall Street Journal is that “the jobs figures largely represent Americans who will choose not to work rather than those who will lose their jobs or have their workweeks reduced because of the law.”
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    Feb 05, 2014 1:31 AM GMT
    Ha, ha. Think speak to the ultimate level!

    It's not unemployment, it's freedom to look for better employment. Sounds like Nancy..... " We need to pass Obamacare to see whats in it " ..... Pelosi wrote it .
  • TroyAthlete

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    Feb 05, 2014 1:40 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidHa, ha. Think speak to the ultimate level!

    It's not unemployment, it's freedom to look for better employment. Sounds like Nancy..... " We need to pass Obamacare to see whats in it " ..... Pelosi wrote it .


    Sounds more like consevative's continued inability to deal with facts and reality. Republicans would rather people take up labor force spots just to have insurance and work until they are 90 than be able to retire early as this CBO report says Obamacare will allow, freeing up jobs for younger unemployed people.

    But count on the GOP to keep repeating a lie until they are blindsided by he fact that everyone else knows the truth (see Election 2012, unskewed polls)
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    Feb 05, 2014 2:51 AM GMT
    LOL.

    "We're not kicking you out, no. We're just inviting you not to live here anymore..."

    Frees up 2 million jobs... LOL. If that's the new definition of success, then we must be in an economic golden age.
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    Feb 05, 2014 5:21 AM GMT
    lol free up 2 million jobs ahahaha

    does this mean the Mexicans wouldn;t be picking our vegetables?
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    Feb 05, 2014 5:42 AM GMT
    Kind of a pathetic response to the ludicrous republican dis-information campaigns.

    It's far, far, far too early to be issuing any kind of evaluation. Obviously.

    ...

    Except that "Cover Oregon" is a predictable outcome of crossing the most shameless incompetent mafioso-bureaucracy outside of California with a Beltway Bandit. Why isn't anybody in jail yet? Because the prosecutors are on their side. All the top crooks are "retiring" with pensions greater than their salaries. And probably hefty "consulting" fees from the beltway bandit.

    ever devolving rant:

    After four months of trying to switch my insurance over (and two months without ANY), three weeks of waiting on hold every time I'm sitting at my desk, I FINALLY got through to someone at Cover Oregon. Who picked up the phone? A retard who I know personally from college! Well... at least I knew him before he got expelled (along with my brother and a couple of other guys) for being stoned all the time, setting off a bomb in the dormitory and blowing off a number of fingers.

    *sigh* It explains a lot, actually.

    *heavy sigh* I suppose that you have to actually work for a beltway bandit for a few years to be properly skeptical of this sort of thing.

    *extra heavy sight* guilty icon_redface.gif

    Damn. I'm having another drink.
    What were we talking about?
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    Feb 05, 2014 6:16 AM GMT
    Larkin saidLOL.

    "We're not kicking you out, no. We're just inviting you not to live here anymore..."

    Frees up 2 million jobs... LOL. If that's the new definition of success, then we must be in an economic golden age.



    What a mess we're in with Obama. This is what comes of choosing the wrong candidate for an essential job. The problems that ensue just keep multiplying. Poor Obama - - not qualified, not experienced, not ready for the job, and with zero integrity. What an embarrassment he's turned out to be.
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    Feb 05, 2014 6:17 AM GMT
    ^^^
    Yup. The only worse thing would have been any Republican. Ever.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Feb 05, 2014 10:32 AM GMT
    Larkin saidLOL.

    "We're not kicking you out, no. We're just inviting you not to live here anymore..."

    Frees up 2 million jobs... LOL. If that's the new definition of success, then we must be in an economic golden age.


    Except no one is being "kicked out" -- the CBO report suggests these people will leave the labor force willingly, as they are only working now to obtain or retain insurance. Its obvious to everyone except Republican liars that this will allowed unemployed people who actually need and want to work to move into those positions.

    But liars gonna lie, and we know conservatives never met a lie they did not love.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Feb 05, 2014 10:34 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Larkin saidLOL.

    "We're not kicking you out, no. We're just inviting you not to live here anymore..."

    Frees up 2 million jobs... LOL. If that's the new definition of success, then we must be in an economic golden age.


    Yeah, really. What kind of warped mind thinks losing 2 million jobs is "good?"


    What kind of warped mind thinks forcing people to stay in jobs they don't want or need but are only keeping to have insurance is good?

  • TroyAthlete

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    Feb 05, 2014 10:36 AM GMT
    somersault saidlol free up 2 million jobs ahahaha

    does this mean the Mexicans wouldn;t be picking our vegetables?


    Republicans and their sympathizers are truly stupid, and their disinformation campaigns will fail miserably as usual. Having failed on every front to ruin Obamacare, they're now turning to "Obamacare is a bailout." That will be the next failed GOP lie once this whole current labor force reduction lie collapses in a couple of weeks due to the coming round of fact-checking and Daily Show evisceration.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Feb 05, 2014 6:46 PM GMT
    venue35 saidGod i hope they don't elect a republican president next time...
    Bush made everyone hate the US...
    I don't agree with everything Obama has done so far but you can't expect one president to just come in and make everything 100% perfect..
    The conservatives are really trying hard to make him fail instead of trying to help their country. They are so cold and vicious.


    It's the result of not having a platform. Obama trolls them constantly and Republicans fall right into the trap every time. It's hilarious.

    After the Obamacare trap will come the Benghazi trap in which they will turn in into Monica Lewinsky, i.e., a President named Clinton will emerge unscathed and more popular than ever while they end up looking lost and foolish.

    Lambs to the slaughter.
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    Feb 05, 2014 6:49 PM GMT
    I'm sorry.. I am super liberal and I have to agree here.

    2 million people are just going to decide they don't want to work as much?

    That just sounds ridiculous, like we all have jobs just because it's fun. We have them because we need them.
  • Selfie77

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    Feb 05, 2014 6:54 PM GMT
    Adam228 saidI'm sorry.. I am super liberal and I have to agree here.

    2 million people are just going to decide they don't want to work as much?

    That just sounds ridiculous, like we all have jobs just because it's fun. We have them because we need them.



    Actually, an unintended (?) consequence of Obamacare is that people near the top range of where they get an Obamacare subsidy for their health insurance might actually REFUSE a raise or additional hours just to stay right below the cutoff line for receiving the subsidy. What an insane way to grow an economy!
  • TroyAthlete

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    Feb 05, 2014 6:58 PM GMT
    Adam228 saidI'm sorry.. I am super liberal and I have to agree here.

    2 million people are just going to decide they don't want to work as much?

    That just sounds ridiculous, like we all have jobs just because it's fun. We have them because we need them.


    Translation: facts don't matter. Which is exactly why there's still too many Republicans in Congress.

    The phenomenon that conservatives prefer where people continue working well past age 65 to not lose insurance and working mothers who'd rather stay home with their children do the same is not at all ridiculous, and you shouldn't have to be sick and elderly or a woman to get it.
  • jock_1

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    Feb 05, 2014 10:46 PM GMT
    venue35 saidGod i hope they don't elect a republican president next time...
    Bush made everyone hate the US...
    I don't agree with everything Obama has done so far but you can't expect one president to just come in and make everything 100% perfect..
    The conservatives are really trying hard to make him fail instead of trying to help their country. They are so cold and vicious.


    Yes, just like all the democrats loved Bush and wanted him to succeed. Democrats are so cold and vicious.
  • jock_1

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    Feb 05, 2014 10:54 PM GMT
    venue35 saidDo you really believe that obama has done exactly what he intended to do with obama care?? If it is a trap explain please because the republicans on these forums are calling it a complete failure.
    Here in greece everyone has healthcare...it may not be as slick as having private insurance but it does work..and that's what is important.
    I get the feeling that is what obama also wants for the american people.
    Why are the republicans fighting him so hard on this i don't understand.


    Because, before Obamacare everyone had healthcare. All one had to do if they werent insured is go to a Hospital and they would not be refused care. Now with Obamacare, those who got free heathcare before now have to pay for insurance to get any type of healthcare. They can't afford it, they get subsidies(taxpayers money) to purchase it, everyone pays more, becomes unaffordable, no one signs up and it falls apart. Kind of like its beginning to. Havent seen anything yet untill small businesses dump people of insurance plans and larger companies do the same in the next year or 2. Thats why the delays, Obama wants to wait untill after the elections.
  • Destinharbor

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    Feb 05, 2014 10:54 PM GMT
    I believe this. All my working life I've seen people hang on to jobs they hated because they or someone in their family had cancer or some other "pre-existing" condition. Same with some older workers who took demotions or some other abuse and didn't quit because of insurance issues. I've been a banker for 30 years and can't tell you how many people have been trapped in their jobs because of insurance issues or the many, many I've seen ruined by medical expenses because the didn't have insurance. No other country in the developed world allows that but us.
  • turtleneckjoc...

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    Feb 05, 2014 11:25 PM GMT
    A badly needed program to provide relief to those less fortunate and to the struggling middle class is consistently criticized by Republicans. Why? Because it came under the watch of a mixed race President and Republicans want to eradicate the poor and middle class anyway!

    When asked for their proposal or plan, conservatives are left scratching their balls and propose giving huge tax breaks to the wealthy (and letting the poor and middle class foot the bill).

    Today, I heard a conservative mouthpiece say, "If we HAD an alternative (they admit they don't have a substitute for the Affordable Healthcare Act), it would LIKELY SEE A JOB LOSS TOO!"

    Amazing...the shit that rolls out of their mouths.
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    Feb 05, 2014 11:38 PM GMT
    jock_1 said
    venue35 saidDo you really believe that obama has done exactly what he intended to do with obama care?? If it is a trap explain please because the republicans on these forums are calling it a complete failure.
    Here in greece everyone has healthcare...it may not be as slick as having private insurance but it does work..and that's what is important.
    I get the feeling that is what obama also wants for the american people.
    Why are the republicans fighting him so hard on this i don't understand.


    Because, before Obamacare everyone had healthcare. All one had to do if they werent insured is go to a Hospital and they would not be refused care. Now with Obamacare, those who got free heathcare before now have to pay for insurance to get any type of healthcare. They can't afford it, they get subsidies(taxpayers money) to purchase it, everyone pays more, becomes unaffordable, no one signs up and it falls apart. Kind of like its beginning to. Havent seen anything yet untill small businesses dump people of insurance plans and larger companies do the same in the next year or 2. Thats why the delays, Obama wants to wait untill after the elections.




    Are you simple, dense , stupid.....or a GOP plant?
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    Feb 06, 2014 12:15 AM GMT
    What I find shocking is that republicans will support a war effort that was a dumb idea from the start and demand we stay in that war for over decade, loosing trillions of dollars and thousands of lives, with the idiotic concept that we will kill off all terrorism and bring democracy to a country that does not want it. After all that waste, we will not succeed in either.
    But when it comes to bringing healthcare to almost all Americans, the republicans demand perfection within weeks.
  • Zinc

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    Feb 06, 2014 12:26 AM GMT
    "frees" the employee from work? We don't eat that double-speak.
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    Feb 06, 2014 12:30 AM GMT
    jock_1 said
    venue35 saidDo you really believe that obama has done exactly what he intended to do with obama care?? If it is a trap explain please because the republicans on these forums are calling it a complete failure.
    Here in greece everyone has healthcare...it may not be as slick as having private insurance but it does work..and that's what is important.
    I get the feeling that is what obama also wants for the american people.
    Why are the republicans fighting him so hard on this i don't understand.

    Because, before Obamacare everyone had healthcare. All one had to do if they werent insured is go to a Hospital and they would not be refused care. Now with Obamacare, those who got free heathcare before now have to pay for insurance to get any type of healthcare. They can't afford it, they get subsidies(taxpayers money) to purchase it, everyone pays more, becomes unaffordable, no one signs up and it falls apart. Kind of like its beginning to. Havent seen anything yet untill small businesses dump people of insurance plans and larger companies do the same in the next year or 2. Thats why the delays, Obama wants to wait untill after the elections.

    Wait a second--do you think that the cost of Emergency Room visits were donated by the doctor's, nurse's, staff's and EMS's good will? That kind of treatment was paid for by all of us, often at a state and/or county level through taxes. The old way seems much closer to socialism than wanting individuals to take responsibility for covering their own health insurance.
  • Zinc

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    Feb 06, 2014 12:37 AM GMT
    "The head of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office delivered a damning assessment Wednesday of the Affordable Care Act, telling lawmakers that ObamaCare creates a "disincentive for people to work," adding fuel to Republican arguments that the law will hurt the economy. "

    LOL

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/05/budget-office-chief-obamacare-creates-disincentive-to-work/?intcmp=latestnews

    Hey, if you're going to quote from the dailykos, then let's hear Fox News to balance it out!
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    Feb 06, 2014 12:44 AM GMT
    I wonder if the Southbeaches of the world will ever realize that the patent inanity of their argument, combined with the vitriolic delivery, are actually just hurting the cause they champion.

    The category of people the CBO is talking about is mostly comprised of people nearing retirement. They have saved up enough money to retire, but if they do that, they may be too young to get Medicare. Formerly, they couldn't afford to lose employer coverage because they wouldn't have been able to get individual insurance at all or only much more expensively.

    With Obamacare, they can retire, get Obamacare, and wait until they get moved to Medicare. A quick check tells me there are 144 million people gainfully employed in the United States, so 2 million people is about 1.4% of the workforce. About right, I'd say for the case described.

    If these two million retire, their jobs will go to someone else. Anyone that claims two million workers are getting kicked out of their jobs, or that this means two million jobs are getting destroyed is either an idiot, or thinks you and I are.

    Similarly, when Southbeach points out that there are going to be more people uninsured under Obamacare than before, he leaves out the simple fact that this is because of those States that refused to expand Medicaid. That leaves me with the impression that Republicans chose to screw over their own poor so Fox News would have a talking point against Obamacare.

    Again, it's surprising they are surprised when voters nix them at the polls. I imagine a lot of people in red States will realize they didn't get affordable health care because of Fox News Agitprop.