Gay teens on steroids, hmmmmm...

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    Feb 05, 2014 12:22 PM GMT
    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4716035/

    I remember my late 20's and 30's when I so wanted to look like 'those guys'.
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    Feb 05, 2014 12:35 PM GMT
    This is part of the reason I don't find muscles all that impressive. The psychotic obsession of so many gay men to have the most chiseled Adonis like body can lead to such a shallow criteria for a man. Why can't we focus more on personality?

    Muscles are too cliche and tell me nothing about the man other than he might be full of himself. Not all of course, but a lot icon_razz.gif
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    Feb 05, 2014 12:43 PM GMT
    I agree - also when all guys veer towards the same "body type", the combination of six-pack, muscled chest and broad shoulders gets kind of boring.... Everyone looks the same.... I like personality and divergence from the norm!

    Also, going to the gym and building muscles does NOT equal sporting prowess! It is like showing up at a tennis tournament with beautifully tailored designer clothing - but not having the fundamentals of the game, let alone any flair!

    I am somehow turned off when I see adverts for gay cruises and all the guys have the same typical buff bodies. It just looks like one big planet of inbred people!
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    Feb 05, 2014 12:45 PM GMT
    I think the reason for the disparity (in the prevalence of steroid use among heterosexual vs. other adolescent males) is two fold. First, gay & bisexual boys have an inherent need to prove their masculinity (to themselves & to society). Second, there's a greater pressure on gay men regarding their physical appearance than on straight men.
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Feb 05, 2014 2:35 PM GMT
    totally agree sweetyork.
  • Destinharbor

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    Feb 05, 2014 3:36 PM GMT
    sweetyork saidI think the reason for the disparity (in the prevalence of steroid use among heterosexual vs. other adolescent males) is two fold. First, gay & bisexual boys have an inherent need to prove their masculinity (to themselves & to society). Second, there's a greater pressure on gay men regarding their physical appearance than on straight men.

    I think there's more pressure on gay guys to look good than straights (because women are more interested in the size of your bank account) but I disagree with the second point. At least where I live outside of LA and NY. With few exceptions, the guys I know at the gym are also fairly high achieving (within the limitations of their backgrounds, education, natural talents) and the gym/body focus is just another aspect of their dedication to be better. Steroids are a bit of a different thing but not necessarily. As gym guys develop an appreciation for the aesthetic, and the work involved in getting to that degree of perfection, they're tempted to experiment with chemicals to help them get there. But to impugn gym guys as trivial is certainly counter to my experience. Most are nice, hard working, generous guys. Steroids don't do anything to develop a good body without a lot of hard, educated work being done at the same time.

    ***Now I'm totally against teens using steroids because I fear the results aren't healthy before they reach full body growth. Just like I didn't let my kids play football because the joints don't harden until about age 22.
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    Sumarokov saidI agree - also when all guys veer towards the same "body type", the combination of six-pack, muscled chest and broad shoulders gets kind of boring.... Everyone looks the same.... I like personality and divergence from the norm!

    Also, going to the gym and building muscles does NOT equal sporting prowess! It is like showing up at a tennis tournament with beautifully tailored designer clothing - but not having the fundamentals of the game, let alone any flair!

    I am somehow turned off when I see adverts for gay cruises and all the guys have the same typical buff bodies. It just looks like one big planet of inbred people!


    Can you play tennis without being a professional athlete? I think you can.

    I think you can work out, exercise and enjoy it without being a professional bodybuilder, using steroids or being "psychotic."

    The problem for these teens is not working out and steroids. It's the society that motivates them to feel they need to do it in the first place.

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    Feb 05, 2014 4:40 PM GMT
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    Sumarokov saidI agree - also when all guys veer towards the same "body type", the combination of six-pack, muscled chest and broad shoulders gets kind of boring.... Everyone looks the same.... I like personality and divergence from the norm!

    Also, going to the gym and building muscles does NOT equal sporting prowess! It is like showing up at a tennis tournament with beautifully tailored designer clothing - but not having the fundamentals of the game, let alone any flair!

    I am somehow turned off when I see adverts for gay cruises and all the guys have the same typical buff bodies. It just looks like one big planet of inbred people!


    Can you play tennis without being a professional athlete? I think you can.

    I think you can work out, exercise and enjoy it without being a professional bodybuilder, using steroids or being "psychotic."

    The problem for these teens is not working out and steroids. It's the society that motivates them to feel they need to do it in the first place.



    Uhhh...its a problem. Doing steroids at such a young age when your bodies endocrine system is still developing can lead to long-term damage and dependency on AAS in order to continue with T productions. It is unfortunate that they feel the need to use AAS to compete, but to say that working out and steroid use is not a problem is turning a blind eye to the issue.

    Fact of the matter is many people on roids have caused long-term damage to themselves because of using it at such a young age. While society does need to change, these individuals also need to take responsibility for their actions as well.
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    Feb 05, 2014 4:53 PM GMT
    No photos??? What the fuck
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    Feb 05, 2014 4:56 PM GMT
    Sadly steroids are the new teen drug.

    The pressure of men and teens to look good, to get a six-pack, is enormous due to peer pressure, mens health mags and seeing other guys in the gym. I think by making themselves bigger with steroids they are reaffirming their masculinity over other guys. Guys are under the belief that taking steroids will automatically make the user become more muscular, which is not so. While using steroids, the user must still exercise. Here in the UK, Using steroids are not illegal, but selling them is and they are easy to find online, with overseas pharmacies shipping the class C drugs to customers in here in the UK.

    There has been some news here on this subject and on Sky News there was an article showing protien powder and a anabolic steroid together, this article gives the impression that bodybuilding food supplements contain traces of steroids. If this was true, the companies selling them would be under serious scrutiny! Also, the picture used in the article shows protein powder! Sadly, every one including the media are to blame for this poor judgement on what is or is not correct. Organisations such as the media (TV and mens fitness magazines should be setting an example into taking steroids as a teenager is completely wrong.
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    Feb 05, 2014 5:27 PM GMT
    Where would Arnold Schwarzenegger be if it weren't for steroids? No bodybuilder titles - not movie career - no governorship. It can't be all bad.
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    Feb 05, 2014 5:35 PM GMT
    HikerSkier saidWhere would Arnold Schwarzenegger be if it weren't for steroids? No bodybuilder titles - not movie career - no governorship. It can't be all bad.

    I don't think it is bad for adults. Just not for kids while they're still developing.
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    Feb 05, 2014 5:41 PM GMT
    Destinharbor said
    HikerSkier saidWhere would Arnold Schwarzenegger be if it weren't for steroids? No bodybuilder titles - not movie career - no governorship. It can't be all bad.

    I don't think it is bad for adults. Just not for kids while they're still developing.


    I certainly believe that people have the choice to alter their hormonal state if they want, but you are right. Kids can cause tons of damage to themselves and they aren't really prepared to commit to the lifestyle.

    Not to mention the fact that T is already roaring in their systems and they should be able to build muscle without outside help. Usually what happens is their diet and training is not correct, so they turn to AAS to build on the pounds, gain tons of water weight in their muscles, lose it all, then rinse and repeat.

    Sad cycle
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 05, 2014 5:43 PM GMT
    I think part of it is wanting to grow up too fast.... Here's a secret, it actually gets a lot easier to put on muscle and keep it as you get into your late twenties and thirties.... One of the perks of being a man, imo.

    (hang overs get a lot worse though.)
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    Feb 05, 2014 5:46 PM GMT
    HikerSkier saidWhere would Arnold Schwarzenegger be if it weren't for steroids? No bodybuilder titles - not movie career - no governorship. It can't be all bad.


    True, but the main point of this thread is the use of steroids by teenagers, something that is truly risky and potentially very harmful.

    If you learn as a teenager how to eat properly and train naturally, there's no reason to use steroids if you're under the age of 30, unless of course you're determined to be a pro-bodybuilder, and even then the heavy use of steroids by such guys in their teens and twenties has been proven to shorten the average lifespan of many pro-bodybuilders by at least 15 years.

    For older guys who've established the basis for a healthy lifestyle and good physique, steroids if used properly can supplant the decline of natural hormones like testosterone and HGH and provide good benefits, as long as you know how to cycle, get regular bloodwork done and stick to realistic goals. That many of them are still illegal in the US is a matter of some debate, but has as much to do with misinformation and public hysteria as it does with legitimate health concerns and issues of sports doping.

    In fact, testosterone replacement therapy is now a multi-billion $ business aimed mostly at straight men-- it's a safe, legal, mainstream application of steroid use for older guys. And most bodybuilding steroids are just slight chemical tweaks of the testosterone molecule. The same is true for HGH replacement, although HGH is technically not a steroid. Real HGH is hugely expensive, but the health benefits for older people, and not just in terms of muscle growth, are truly significant.

    The sad thing here is that so many gay youths are in such a panic about looking as good as possible as soon as possible that they never learn the basics and go right to dangerous short-cuts. Those short-cuts, imho, become less dangerous and more justifiable with age and experience, in the gym and in life.

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    Feb 05, 2014 5:46 PM GMT
    It's a known fact that 'pretty' opens doors. 'Pretty' goes to the front of the line. 'Pretty' gets served first. Given the option, I can see where many would choose to be 'Pretty'.
    I don't like, but I can understand it.
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    Feb 05, 2014 5:48 PM GMT
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    HikerSkier saidWhere would Arnold Schwarzenegger be if it weren't for steroids? No bodybuilder titles - not movie career - no governorship. It can't be all bad.


    True, but the main point of this thread is the use of steroids by teenagers, something that is truly risky and potentially very harmful.

    If you learn as a teenager how to eat properly and train naturally, there's no reason to use steroids if you're under the age of 30, unless of course you're determined to be a pro-bodybuilder, and even then the heavy use of steroids by such guys in their teens and twenties has been proven to shorten the average lifespan of many pro-bodybuilders by at least 15 years.

    For older guys who've established the basis for a healthy lifestyle and good physique, steroids if used properly can supplant the decline of natural hormones like testosterone and HGH and provide good benefits, as long as you know how to cycle, get regular bloodwork done and stick to realistic goals. That many of them are still illegal in the US is a matter of some debate, but has as much to do with misinformation and public hysteria as it does with legitimate health concerns and issues of sports doping.

    In fact, testosterone replacement therapy is now a multi-billion $ business aimed mostly at straight men-- it's a safe, legal, mainstream application of steroid use for older guys. And most bodybuilding steroids are just slight chemical tweaks of the testosterone molecule. The same is true for HGH replacement, although HGH is technically not a steroid. Real HGH is hugely expensive, but the health benefits for older people, and not just in terms of muscle growth, are truly significant.

    The sad thing here is that so many gay youths are in such a panic about looking as good as possible as soon as possible that they never learn the basics and go right to dangerous short-cuts. Those short-cuts, imho, become less dangerous and more justifiable with age and experience, in the gym and in life.



    Very well said, thank you.
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    Feb 05, 2014 5:57 PM GMT
    I'm not surprised at all by this information. I know whenever I was about 19 I started working out because I wanted to feel confident. I was having a hard time accepting myself and I felt like going to the gym and getting stronger might be able to help. I would never go as far as steroids to do this but I understand where they're coming from.
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    HikerSkier saidWhere would Arnold Schwarzenegger be if it weren't for steroids? No bodybuilder titles - not movie career - no governorship. It can't be all bad.


    True, but the main point of this thread is the use of steroids by teenagers, something that is truly risky and potentially very harmful.

    If you learn as a teenager how to eat properly and train naturally, there's no reason to use steroids if you're under the age of 30, unless of course you're determined to be a pro-bodybuilder, and even then the heavy use of steroids by such guys in their teens and twenties has been proven to shorten the average lifespan of many pro-bodybuilders by at least 15 years.

    For older guys who've established the basis for a healthy lifestyle and good physique, steroids if used properly can supplant the decline of natural hormones like testosterone and HGH and provide good benefits, as long as you know how to cycle, get regular bloodwork done and stick to realistic goals. That many of them are still illegal in the US is a matter of some debate, but has as much to do with misinformation and public hysteria as it does with legitimate health concerns and issues of sports doping.

    In fact, testosterone replacement therapy is now a multi-billion $ business aimed mostly at straight men-- it's a safe, legal, mainstream application of steroid use for older guys. And most bodybuilding steroids are just slight chemical tweaks of the testosterone molecule. The same is true for HGH replacement, although HGH is technically not a steroid. Real HGH is hugely expensive, but the health benefits for older people, and not just in terms of muscle growth, are truly significant.

    The sad thing here is that so many gay youths are in such a panic about looking as good as possible as soon as possible that they never learn the basics and go right to dangerous short-cuts. Those short-cuts, imho, become less dangerous and more justifiable with age and experience, in the gym and in life.

    I believe Arnold started as a (late) teenager. I'm not recommending it, but probably not anymore harmful to a young man who has achieved maximum bone growth, than any other.
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    Feb 05, 2014 6:05 PM GMT
    HikerSkier said
    Alexxx5 said
    HikerSkier saidWhere would Arnold Schwarzenegger be if it weren't for steroids? No bodybuilder titles - not movie career - no governorship. It can't be all bad.


    True, but the main point of this thread is the use of steroids by teenagers, something that is truly risky and potentially very harmful.

    If you learn as a teenager how to eat properly and train naturally, there's no reason to use steroids if you're under the age of 30, unless of course you're determined to be a pro-bodybuilder, and even then the heavy use of steroids by such guys in their teens and twenties has been proven to shorten the average lifespan of many pro-bodybuilders by at least 15 years.

    For older guys who've established the basis for a healthy lifestyle and good physique, steroids if used properly can supplant the decline of natural hormones like testosterone and HGH and provide good benefits, as long as you know how to cycle, get regular bloodwork done and stick to realistic goals. That many of them are still illegal in the US is a matter of some debate, but has as much to do with misinformation and public hysteria as it does with legitimate health concerns and issues of sports doping.

    In fact, testosterone replacement therapy is now a multi-billion $ business aimed mostly at straight men-- it's a safe, legal, mainstream application of steroid use for older guys. And most bodybuilding steroids are just slight chemical tweaks of the testosterone molecule. The same is true for HGH replacement, although HGH is technically not a steroid. Real HGH is hugely expensive, but the health benefits for older people, and not just in terms of muscle growth, are truly significant.

    The sad thing here is that so many gay youths are in such a panic about looking as good as possible as soon as possible that they never learn the basics and go right to dangerous short-cuts. Those short-cuts, imho, become less dangerous and more justifiable with age and experience, in the gym and in life.

    I believe Arnold started as a (late) teenager. I'm not recommending it, but probably not anymore harmful to a young man who has achieved maximum bone growth, than any other.


    Incorrect. As stated before, using steroids at such a young age can destroy your endocrine system and cause permanent dependency on AAS in order to achieve erections or maintain any kind of muscle growth. Without T, many people become suicidal and depressed. Waiting until you are fully developed does help mitigate against this and using it at such a young age can cause your body to slow down/stop your hormonal development.

    You are falling into the trap of being hot=being healthy. It is far from the truth.
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    Alexxx5 said
    HikerSkier saidWhere would Arnold Schwarzenegger be if it weren't for steroids? No bodybuilder titles - not movie career - no governorship. It can't be all bad.


    True, but the main point of this thread is the use of steroids by teenagers, something that is truly risky and potentially very harmful.

    If you learn as a teenager how to eat properly and train naturally, there's no reason to use steroids if you're under the age of 30, unless of course you're determined to be a pro-bodybuilder, and even then the heavy use of steroids by such guys in their teens and twenties has been proven to shorten the average lifespan of many pro-bodybuilders by at least 15 years.

    For older guys who've established the basis for a healthy lifestyle and good physique, steroids if used properly can supplant the decline of natural hormones like testosterone and HGH and provide good benefits, as long as you know how to cycle, get regular bloodwork done and stick to realistic goals. That many of them are still illegal in the US is a matter of some debate, but has as much to do with misinformation and public hysteria as it does with legitimate health concerns and issues of sports doping.

    In fact, testosterone replacement therapy is now a multi-billion $ business aimed mostly at straight men-- it's a safe, legal, mainstream application of steroid use for older guys. And most bodybuilding steroids are just slight chemical tweaks of the testosterone molecule. The same is true for HGH replacement, although HGH is technically not a steroid. Real HGH is hugely expensive, but the health benefits for older people, and not just in terms of muscle growth, are truly significant.

    The sad thing here is that so many gay youths are in such a panic about looking as good as possible as soon as possible that they never learn the basics and go right to dangerous short-cuts. Those short-cuts, imho, become less dangerous and more justifiable with age and experience, in the gym and in life.

    I believe Arnold started as a (late) teenager. I'm not recommending it, but probably not anymore harmful to a young man who has achieved maximum bone growth, than any other.


    Incorrect. As stated before, using steroids at such a young age can destroy your endocrine system and cause permanent dependency on AAS in order to achieve erections or maintain any kind of muscle growth. Without T, many people become suicidal and depressed. Waiting until you are fully developed does help mitigate against this and using it at such a young age can cause your body to slow down/stop your hormonal development.

    You are falling into the trap of being hot=being healthy. It is far from the truth.


    +1 In addition, for every Arnold there are ten guys who started juicing early who are now six feet under.
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    Feb 05, 2014 6:12 PM GMT
    Gixxer1K saidIt's a known fact that 'pretty' opens doors. 'Pretty' goes to the front of the line. 'Pretty' gets served first. Given the option, I can see where many would choose to be 'Pretty'.
    I don't like, but I can understand it.


    People want to bang a hot body. They want to marry a hot face.

    Steroids ain't gonna change that!
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    Gixxer1K saidIt's a known fact that 'pretty' opens doors. 'Pretty' goes to the front of the line. 'Pretty' gets served first. Given the option, I can see where many would choose to be 'Pretty'.
    I don't like, but I can understand it.


    People want to bang a hot body. They want to marry a hot face.

    Steroids ain't gonna change that!


    But if you're fugly with a bad body, you get neither. So often it's easier to fix the body than the face.
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Feb 05, 2014 6:22 PM GMT
    I think the biggest issue here is that they, and older gay guys, equate muscles and a smoking physique as a pathway to happiness and fulfillment.... and acceptance. Factor in marketing and advertising, especially towards the gay community, and anything less that physical perfection is unacceptable. You are just asking for a recipe of depression and lack of self-confidence, amongst other more serious issues.