'Gay’ boy, 11, tries to kill himself over My Little Pony bullying

  • metta

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    Feb 05, 2014 6:40 PM GMT
    'Gay’ boy, 11, tries to kill himself over My Little Pony bullying


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    A North Carolina child is in intensive care after being hanging himself because he could not deal with the homophobic bullying at school any longer


    - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/gay-boy-11-tries-kill-himself-over-my-little-pony-bullying050214



    http://www.chicagonow.com/portrait-of-an-adoption/2014/02/11-yr-old-boy-bullied-for-being-a-brony-fighting-for-life-after-suicide-attempt-how-you-can-help/

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  • Selfie77

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    Feb 05, 2014 6:52 PM GMT
    We need anti-bullying laws. I'm sure they would prevent things like this from happening.
  • hdurdinr

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    Feb 06, 2014 12:18 AM GMT
    I really hope he fully recovers. Bullying really needs to be made a bigger issue.
  • PolitiMAC

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    Feb 06, 2014 12:21 AM GMT
    Why would an 11 year old try to kill himself? That just seems a little crazy for someone so young to contemplate it. When I was around that age, NO ONE was bullied enough to get to that stage. I don't think we ever thought about killing ourselves.

    Whatever happened to going to parents of other adults to help? Why has killing oneself become so fashionable as the answer to every problem that boys this one's age resort to this kind of crap?
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    Feb 06, 2014 12:24 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidWhy would an 11 year old try to kill himself? That just seems a little crazy for someone so young to contemplate it. When I was around that age, NO ONE was bullied enough to get to that stage. I don't think we ever thought about killing ourselves.

    Whatever happened to going to parents of other adults to help? Why has killing oneself become so fashionable as the answer to every problem that boys this one's age resort to this kind of crap?

    Fashionable? You think people kill themselves because it's the big thing this year??icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
  • Chainers

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    Feb 06, 2014 12:29 AM GMT
    ^^Aristo, Im not going to quote you because it has that total troll in your post, but I just wanted to say this about the whole bullying issue. While I agree it is wrong to bully other students, there gets to a point where you can't blame other people for your own actions. I think that this is a very tragic incident, but to go after the bully's teaches people that the only way to get revenge is to take your own life.

    I think the kid's that bullied are total douchemongers and it is inappropriate, but to blame them directly for this kid's suicide attempt is too extreme.

    People also need to take responsibility for their own actions.
  • Chainers

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    Feb 06, 2014 12:35 AM GMT
    shaggyfromscoobydooisgay said
    Chainers said^^Aristo, Im not going to quote you because it has that total troll in your post, but I just wanted to say this about the whole bullying issue. While I agree it is wrong to bully other students, there gets to a point where you can't blame other people for your own actions. I think that this is a very tragic incident, but to go after the bully's teaches people that the only way to get revenge is to take your own life.

    I think the kid's that bullied are total douchemongers and it is inappropriate, but to blame them directly for this kid's suicide attempt is too extreme.

    People also need to take responsibility for their own actions.


    but he's only 11 years old dude though.


    So because he is 11 the other kid's forced this person to kill himself?

    Bullying is hard, it really is. It is easy for us to feel empathy for this kid because we have all been there but damn? Really? You try to hang yourself because of some assholes at school?

    That is extreme. This behavior is being learned. The reason being is that children are learning that suicide is the only way for society to listen to their complaints. Fact of the matter is the bullies should be punished for bullying, but not blamed for the kid's death.
  • FRE0

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    Feb 06, 2014 12:40 AM GMT
    Selfie77 saidWe need anti-bullying laws. I'm sure they would prevent things like this from happening.


    Not necessarily. A law may be a good first step, but there would be the problem of enforcement.
  • irishkcguy

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    Feb 06, 2014 12:41 AM GMT
    I was a high school teacher and coach for ten years, so I feel like I have some insight. The parents of these kids have got to take the most intensive legal action possible with these schools. Schools are legally responsible for keeping kids safe when they are on campus. If these schools are demonstrably negligent in preventing this kind of bullying, parents need to go after these assholes to the furthest extent of the law. It's just like any other workplace. I'm not just talking about civil court either. If a negligent school principal's inaction to provide basic safety results in a kid killing him/herself, that administrator should be held criminally responsible. The worst part of all the right wing anti-gay hate speech that's out there is it creates the idea that gay kids in school are lesser and don't deserve being protected. Deep down I think a lot of homophobic school administrators believe bullying might force kids straight. The first time a school has to pay out a multi-million dollar settlement or somebody goes to jail, things will change.
  • WhoDey

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    Feb 06, 2014 12:41 AM GMT
    What happened to punching your bully in the face?
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    Feb 06, 2014 12:42 AM GMT
    FRE0 said
    Selfie77 saidWe need anti-bullying laws. I'm sure they would prevent things like this from happening.


    Not necessarily. A law may be a good first step, but there would be the problem of enforcement.

    He was trolling.
  • FRE0

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    Feb 06, 2014 12:43 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidWhy would an 11 year old try to kill himself? That just seems a little crazy for someone so young to contemplate it. When I was around that age, NO ONE was bullied enough to get to that stage. I don't think we ever thought about killing ourselves.

    Whatever happened to going to parents of other adults to help? Why has killing oneself become so fashionable as the answer to every problem that boys this one's age resort to this kind of crap?


    I thought about killing myself when I was that age. Going to may parents would have been unthinkable. If my brother, sister, or I went to our parents about a problem, we were blamed; they thought that they had all the answers. Many parents are incompetent.

    Adults were always saying that childhood is the happiest time of life. Obviously that implied that things would become worse.
  • FRE0

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    Feb 06, 2014 12:49 AM GMT
    Chainers said
    shaggyfromscoobydooisgay said
    Chainers said^^Aristo, Im not going to quote you because it has that total troll in your post, but I just wanted to say this about the whole bullying issue. While I agree it is wrong to bully other students, there gets to a point where you can't blame other people for your own actions. I think that this is a very tragic incident, but to go after the bully's teaches people that the only way to get revenge is to take your own life.

    I think the kid's that bullied are total douchemongers and it is inappropriate, but to blame them directly for this kid's suicide attempt is too extreme.

    People also need to take responsibility for their own actions.


    but he's only 11 years old dude though.


    So because he is 11 the other kid's forced this person to kill himself?

    Bullying is hard, it really is. It is easy for us to feel empathy for this kid because we have all been there but damn? Really? You try to hang yourself because of some assholes at school?

    That is extreme. This behavior is being learned. The reason being is that children are learning that suicide is the only way for society to listen to their complaints. Fact of the matter is the bullies should be punished for bullying, but not blamed for the kid's death.


    It's not just the bullying at school that drives kids to suicide. The indifference of adults often contributes to it. In this case, the kid's parents did seem to care, but they were not able to deal with it adequately. Probably the teachers saw what was happening and ignored it; that would be hard to take.

    In any case, it makes little case to blame an 11 year old kid for being unable to handle such difficult situations.
  • metta

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    Feb 06, 2014 12:50 AM GMT
    Update on Michael Morones: The Complications of Bullying, Suicidal Ideation, and Causality

    "In the absence of other known factors other than bullying that might have been upsetting Michael, there is now heavy pressure being exerted on the Wake County Public Schools to make a public response to Michael’s case. It has come to light that in March 2000, Christopher Joyner, a student at Michael’s same middle school hanged himself in the school gym, apparently because he'd been bullied. Not enough has changed in the fourteen years separating Joyner ‘s time at Zebulon Middle School from Morones’s time there."

    http://www.chicagonow.com/portrait-of-an-adoption/2014/02/update-on-michael-morones-the-complications-of-bullying-suicidal-ideation-and-causality/
  • FRE0

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    Feb 06, 2014 12:53 AM GMT
    WhoDey saidWhat happened to punching your bully in the face?


    When I was a preppy at a boarding school, I did just that. I cut my knuckles on the bully's teeth and because I had no first aid kit, I had to see the school nurse. I was blamed.

    There are many cases in which a bullied kid fights back and is blamed; it is not unusual. Sometimes that happens even after the bullied kid has asked school personnel for help and has been denied help.
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    Feb 06, 2014 12:59 AM GMT
    At 11 years old this boy is being labeled gay? What kind of shit is that? Amazing how fast people are to take the innocence away from children nowadays. I hope he recovers fast and gets back on all fours. The bullying is bad but people trying to label a child who in all likelihood doesn't even know what gay is makes me sick...
  • WhoDey

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    Feb 06, 2014 1:02 AM GMT
    FRE0 said
    WhoDey saidWhat happened to punching your bully in the face?


    When I was a preppy at a boarding school, I did just that. I cut my knuckles on the bully's teeth and because I had no first aid kit, I had to see the school nurse. I was blamed.

    There are many cases in which a bullied kid fights back and is blamed; it is not unusual. Sometimes that happens even after the bullied kid has asked school personnel for help and has been denied help.


    Did he keep bullying you after that?
  • FRE0

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    Feb 06, 2014 1:06 AM GMT
    shaggyfromscoobydooisgay said
    WhoDey saidWhat happened to punching your bully in the face?


    not every kid is built like that though or for that matter is violent.


    Quite true.

    When I was a senior in a boarding school, in night study hall a boy who probably weighed about 200 pounds was bullying a boy who couldn't have weighed much more than 100 pounds. Obviously the smaller boy was physically incapable of adequately defending himself. There were about 25 other boys in the study hall, but none did anything. I was afraid to do anything but anger forced me to do something anyway; I had been in that position myself and related to the victim. Fortunately, I was able to stop the bullying verbally by telling the bully off and, to my surprise and relief, I was not attacked.

    Actually, I was just as angry with the other boys for doing nothing as I was with the bully. Anti-bullying procedures in schools should including telling kids what to do when the see bullying; it should also include rôle playing to enable witnesses to bullying to respond effectively.

    It is quite true that many school personnel don't have a clue as to how to prevent handle bullying; that is partly their fault. There has been plenty written on the subject and if school personnel don't know what to do, that is because they have chosen not to learn what to do.

    School administrators should see to it that all school personnel can deal appropriately with bullying and that bullying prevention programs are implemented.
  • FRE0

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    Feb 06, 2014 1:10 AM GMT
    Steel101 saidAt 11 years old this boy is being labeled gay? What kind of shit is that? Amazing how fast people are to take the innocence away from children nowadays. I hope he recovers fast and gets back on all fours. The bullying is bad but people trying to label a child who in all likelihood doesn't even know what gay is makes me sick...


    Good point. At that age, it is often impossible to determine what someone's sexual orientation is. In any case, kids that young should not be much concerned about it.
  • FRE0

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    Feb 06, 2014 1:20 AM GMT
    WhoDey said
    FRE0 said
    WhoDey saidWhat happened to punching your bully in the face?


    When I was a preppy at a boarding school, I did just that. I cut my knuckles on the bully's teeth and because I had no first aid kit, I had to see the school nurse. I was blamed.

    There are many cases in which a bullied kid fights back and is blamed; it is not unusual. Sometimes that happens even after the bullied kid has asked school personnel for help and has been denied help.


    Did he keep bullying you after that?


    No, but that didn't keep other kids from doing so. That happened when I was a senior.

    When I was a junior, I had a senior for a roommate. The previous year he and been a known bully but for reasons to which I am not privy, the dean put him in a position of authority. He bullied me and even attempted to force me to give him a "blow job." I successfully refused. I was afraid to report it because I could have been blamed. He also did other things, including sitting my pillow and breaking wind. After a few months I succeeded in changing rooms.

    Until I changed rooms, I was in a rather helpless situation. I didn't dare write or 'phone my parents since I couldn't trust them to do something reasonable. And, if they had tried to take action, the school might have done something that would have made things worse.

    When I was in public school, I wanted to take up weight lifting but my parents saw no point in it so I was not able to. Looking back, I think that it would have made a significant difference. Too often parents don't have a clue.
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    Steel101 saidAt 11 years old this boy is being labeled gay? What kind of shit is that? Amazing how fast people are to take the innocence away from children nowadays. I hope he recovers fast and gets back on all fours. The bullying is bad but people trying to label a child who in all likelihood doesn't even know what gay is makes me sick...


    Listen to gay and bi men and they will tell you not only did they know they were gay or bi at puberty but before puberty as well.

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    Feb 06, 2014 3:39 AM GMT
    This child isn't gay. He just likes My Little Pony correct?
    I feel really sad for this child. He generally relates to this character Pinkie Pie. But because this show is branded for little girls he's "gay." I'm so sorry. I hope he recovers.
  • WhoDey

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    Feb 06, 2014 4:17 AM GMT
    Calling someone gay is bullying?
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    Feb 06, 2014 4:24 AM GMT
    Fre0 said, "In any case, it makes little case to blame an 11 year old kid for being unable to handle such difficult situations."

    Bingo.

    ..and, from one link, "A group of his peers at school have been taunting and bullying the boy about his fandom. His stepfather, Shannon Suttle, said, “Michael was upset because the kids were calling him gay for liking a girls’ TV show."


    This is one kid trying to deal with a group of kids.
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    Feb 06, 2014 6:31 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidWhy would an 11 year old try to kill himself? That just seems a little crazy for someone so young to contemplate it. When I was around that age, NO ONE was bullied enough to get to that stage. I don't think we ever thought about killing ourselves.

    Whatever happened to going to parents of other adults to help? Why has killing oneself become so fashionable as the answer to every problem that boys this one's age resort to this kind of crap?


    From an article titled "Teenage Suicide Reported on Rise," by Natalie Jaffe, published in the New York Times on March 20, 1965:

    "For every one of the 600 American teenagers whose death is recorded as a suicide each year, there are at least 100 who fail in the attempt or who take their own lives under the guise of an accident, a group of social scientists and teachers was told yesterday.

    "Although suicide is ranked as the 10th leading cause of death for all Americans, for teenagers it ranks fourth—after accident, cancer and rheumatic heart disease—and the rate is rising.

    "The annual figures themselves are not dramatic—about 4 teenagers in 100,000 take their lives—but the rate has doubled in the last decade, while the figures for all suicides have increased by about 50 percent . . ."

    Anyway, I'm not going to type up the whole article, but young people committing suicide is clearly not new, although it has certainly increased over the last 50 years.