Northern Ireland gay groups to take marriage battle to courts

  • metta

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    Feb 05, 2014 6:53 PM GMT
    Northern Ireland gay groups to take marriage battle to courts

    Frustrated now they are the only country in the UK to not have equal marriage, gay rights campaigners are threatning legal action


    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/northern-ireland-gay-groups-take-marriage-battle-courts050214
  • Aodhan

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    Feb 06, 2014 4:17 PM GMT
    It may take years before we are even aloud equal marriage here. I hate Northern Ireland. It's so bigoted here, in every sense of the word!
  • Destinharbor

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    Feb 06, 2014 4:57 PM GMT
    Why do you suppose this one section of the UK is backward by comparison? The decades of sectarian warfare? Why?
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    Feb 06, 2014 5:01 PM GMT
    Destinharbor saidWhy do you suppose this one section of the UK is backward by comparison? The decades of sectarian warfare? Why?


    Northern Ireland is certinally in comparsion different compared to England and Scotland (and Great Britian as a whole). Maybe its the catholic / nationalist
    influence which hinders total equality?
  • Destinharbor

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    Feb 06, 2014 5:31 PM GMT
    UK_Fella said
    Destinharbor saidWhy do you suppose this one section of the UK is backward by comparison? The decades of sectarian warfare? Why?


    Northern Ireland is certinally in comparsion different compared to England and Scotland (and Great Britian as a whole). Maybe its the catholic / nationalist
    influence which hinders total equality?

    I thought of that but the Republic of Ireland has a strong Catholic background, too, and it seems to be progressive. I know that ignores the "Nationalist" part of your equation, but I'd think the general social influences would move it to be similar in most values.
  • Aodhan

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    Feb 06, 2014 9:48 PM GMT
    Destinharbor said
    UK_Fella said
    Destinharbor saidWhy do you suppose this one section of the UK is backward by comparison? The decades of sectarian warfare? Why?


    Northern Ireland is certinally in comparsion different compared to England and Scotland (and Great Britian as a whole). Maybe its the catholic / nationalist
    influence which hinders total equality?

    I thought of that but the Republic of Ireland has a strong Catholic background, too, and it seems to be progressive. I know that ignores the "Nationalist" part of your equation, but I'd think the general social influences would move it to be similar in most values.


    There are too many issues that are deemed more important by the province.. yeah the issues with the two backgrounds no matter what everyone says is still in everyones heads. The politicians dance and deflect the topic. But both sides basically have strong homophobic ideals.
  • JamesItaly

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    Feb 06, 2014 9:57 PM GMT
    Most people vote for politicians based on if they are unionist or nationalist,, allowing crackpots like the DUP to be the majority. With them blocking every attempt towards equality we need intervention from GB/EU to make progress.
    I think Northern Ireland,, especially Belfast,, is a very tolerant place for the gays despite our politicians though.
  • Aodhan

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    Feb 06, 2014 10:09 PM GMT
    JamesItaly saidMost people vote for politicians based on if they are unionist or nationalist,, allowing crackpots like the DUP to be the majority. With them blocking every attempt towards equality we need intervention from GB/EU to make progress.
    I think Northern Ireland,, especially Belfast,, is a very tolerant place for the gays despite our politicians though.


    Yeah that's why I escape to Belfast any chance I get! But still there is a lot going on. I basically got banished by two groups of my friends this year (friends that I've had for years), because their new friends that they now see more off are homophobic. But I guess homophobia is everywhere.
  • Aodhan

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    Feb 06, 2014 10:13 PM GMT
    i2ci2i said
    Aodhan said
    Destinharbor said
    UK_Fella said
    Destinharbor saidWhy do you suppose this one section of the UK is backward by comparison? The decades of sectarian warfare? Why?


    Northern Ireland is certinally in comparsion different compared to England and Scotland (and Great Britian as a whole). Maybe its the catholic / nationalist
    influence which hinders total equality?

    I thought of that but the Republic of Ireland has a strong Catholic background, too, and it seems to be progressive. I know that ignores the "Nationalist" part of your equation, but I'd think the general social influences would move it to be similar in most values.


    There are too many issues that are deemed more important by the province.. yeah the issues with the two backgrounds no matter what everyone says is still in everyones heads. The politicians dance and deflect the topic. But both sides basically have strong homophobic ideals.


    not exactly Aodhan, Sinn Fein and the SDLP have shown universal support for marriage equality, if only Sinn Fein would sit in parliament more.

    The irish catholic side is certainly very liberal and socialist here in Belfast.


    I guess its rather obviously which side I am and I don't want to sound biased but Sinn Fein is definitely the best party in my opinion. They are far more charitable and equality driven. SDLP just acts as a DUP arse licker that blames Sinn Fein for everything. Did you watch that whole Ian Paisley show a few weeks ago? I was finally starting to give him a chance until then. Only one place for him.
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    Feb 09, 2014 11:36 PM GMT
    Basically, Northern Ireland has a cultural legacy that nowhere in the UK shares and one that is very different to the Republic of Ireland and that is its Sectarian history. What people have to understand about NI is that while the population is roughly divided in half between Catholics and Protestants, Protestants tend to be more hard line in Northern Ireland than in the rest of the UK, subscribing to conservative Presbyterianism of the fundamentalist Bible bashing kind. Don't forget that a sizable section, 40%, of people questioned at the DUP (NI's largest and governing party) party conference in November last believe that creationism should be taught in schools, thats higher than most Bible belt states in the USA. Further to this, the political situation and the cultural history of NI Protestantism has given that section of society a siege mentality that is distinctly conservative and obstinate.

    For the Catholic population, Northern Ireland's history has endowed them with a conservatism that isnt found as much among their co-religionists in the south. Society is very rural in Ireland and as a result, things do tend to be a bit backward but unlike the Republic, Urban centres tend to be more protestant while rural areas tend to be more Catholic. The protestant effect gives NI's towns and cities (except Belfast which is quite progressive) a more conservative air and the rural areas that look to these urban areas are naturally endowed with the values and tastes of the urban population. On top of that, Catholicism's traditional stance on homosexuality has certainly left its mark on the Catholic population but I will argue that the Catholic section of NI society is more open and friendlier to LGBT issues than the Protestant section, although I am fully open for correction on that. Sorry, this turned more into an essay than a reply.