Gay Group Calls Obama Invocation Pick A "Genuine Blow"

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    Dec 18, 2008 12:04 AM GMT
    HRC issued a letter to Obama regarding Rick Warren to give the formal invocation at next month's inauguration

    http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/12/gay_group_calls_warren_choice.phpLet me get right to the point. Your invitation to Reverend Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at your inauguration is a genuine blow to LGBT Americans. Our loss in California over the passage of Proposition 8 which stripped loving, committed same-sex couples of their given legal right to marry is the greatest loss our community has faced in 40 years. And by inviting Rick Warren to your inauguration, you have tarnished the view that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Americans have a place at your table.
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    Dec 18, 2008 12:51 AM GMT
    magus_iii saidHRC issued a letter to Obama regarding Rick Warren to give the formal invocation at next month's inauguration

    http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/12/gay_group_calls_warren_choice.phpLet me get right to the point. Your invitation to Reverend Rick Warren to deliver the invocation at your inauguration is a genuine blow to LGBT Americans. Our loss in California over the passage of Proposition 8 which stripped loving, committed same-sex couples of their given legal right to marry is the greatest loss our community has faced in 40 years. And by inviting Rick Warren to your inauguration, you have tarnished the view that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Americans have a place at your table.


    I guess Rick Warren's a part of Obama's America, too.
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    Dec 18, 2008 1:10 AM GMT
    HRC may not be much for political work, but we can always count on a sternly worded letter from Joe Solomnese.
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    Dec 18, 2008 1:42 AM GMT
    I'm sorry, was Joe Solomonese under the impression he would choose someone else? I wasn't. All this "Obama is going to save us" crap is just that - crap! Obama does represent more Americans that McCain did, but we knew his beliefs on this subject before we voted for him. He hasn't altered any. What's the surprise?

    I like Obama, I trust him, but I'm not under the impression that he is our hero. We are still a largely Christian country and our rights have been voted down by Americans in over 30 states now. Obama is going with the majority, as a smart politician should. It's not his job to change things when most Americans are against us, it's OURS! Joe Solomonese seemed to get that, but apparently not.
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    Dec 18, 2008 1:52 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie said...we can always count on a sternly worded letter from Joe Solomnese.


    That and fabulous, star-studded parties. Who has time to fight for gay rights when there are celebrities to hang out with?
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    Dec 18, 2008 1:54 AM GMT
    As always a bone or scrap will be tossed to the religious right over the LGBT community any day with Obama or just about any Democrat. After all, he already has our support and religious groups have more money.
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    Dec 18, 2008 2:04 AM GMT

    I bare no false expectations, the first gay president
    is X amount of elections away I'm afraid, but in the works.
    ANYTHING is possible now because of the groundwork this Obama election has layed.
    It has created a road, even if it is a dirt road, but I suspect it is a gravel road atleast.
    Just as rocky as expecting Obama to focus too much energy on us: he has a pretty big task ahead of him as it is. I also trust he won't forget the largest group that is responsible for him being there....which ain't us.

    However, i'm sure he's interestd in a second term, he can't be the political bulldozer I'm afraid most gay men want him to be right now.
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    Dec 18, 2008 2:28 AM GMT
    According to some historians, the first gay U.S. President was elected in 1856.

    James Buchanan, 15th President from 1957-1961, lived with William King, 13th Vice President in 1953 (died in office), for a number of years.
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    Dec 18, 2008 3:29 AM GMT
    There should be a gay revolt over this. It is unacceptable for anyone to accept this, and we should all be complaining to whoever the fuck cares anymore!
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    Dec 18, 2008 3:37 AM GMT
    Ugh...this is not a big deal, folks. Obama is making token overtures as a peace offering, and his cabinet picks have been diverse as well. At the end of the day, his first two years (and very likely all 4) will be controlled by Democrats in the White House, the Senate, and the House of Reps.
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    Dec 18, 2008 3:40 AM GMT
    obama is not a christian. he is not religious. he is not spiritual. he is too smart to believe in fairy tales. he's been attending church for years since he knows he needs that connection with the common folks (i.e. idiots) in order to rise in ranks.

    all that said, i am baffled as to why this guy would be invited
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    Dec 18, 2008 4:32 AM GMT
    Look I understand the view that this is a blow the the gay community, but also maybe we need to try and bring people together instead of trying to bring people apart. I mean that is probably why Obama chose him. We need every person from every angle to make an informed decision. If you have all democrats were doomed to fail, if we have all republicans were doomed to fail. Politically America functions best in a Moderate system. Socially and in the media people just want a bunch of radical meaningless statements like that letter from the HRC. Its all PR
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    Dec 18, 2008 4:34 AM GMT
    Obama no more believes in gay/lesbian equality than Jerry Falwell did.
    He has publicly announced his opposition to equal treatment under the law and is a champion of discrimination. He is the enemy of gay and lesbian citizens. His administration will not mean any positive changes for gays and lesbians and will likely push our rights back even further.
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    Dec 18, 2008 4:38 AM GMT
    chicago_barry saidObama no more believes in gay/lesbian equality than Jerry Falwell did.
    He has publicly announced his opposition to equal treatment under the law and is a champion of discrimination. He is the enemy of gay and lesbian citizens. His administration will not mean any positive changes for gays and lesbians and will likely push our rights back even further.


    thank you... but how about some sources???
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    Dec 18, 2008 4:53 AM GMT
    Right, at least A credible source, where is all THAT coming from?icon_confused.gif
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    Dec 18, 2008 5:07 AM GMT
    Obama never FULLY supported "us" as Gays, hence his non-support of Prop 8 for us. However, he's not FULLY against us either. So, we have to take baby steps in order to get what we want and go where we want. So at the end of the day, Obama's the one in office, not me, not you, Obama, so he's going to invite his support he has had over the years and we will just need to handle ourselves in accordance with what we can and continue to fight and move forward with others that will be on our side. So, baby steps first.
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    Dec 18, 2008 5:08 AM GMT
    a1972guy saidObama never FULLY supported "us" as Gays, hence his non-support of Prop 8 for us. However, he's not FULLY against us either. So, we have to take baby steps in order to get what we want and go where we want. So at the end of the day, Obama's the one in office, not me, not you, Obama, so he's going to invite his support he has had over the years and we will just need to handle ourselves in accordance with what he can and continue to fight and move forward with others that will be on our side. So, baby steps first.



    thank you.
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    Dec 18, 2008 5:29 AM GMT
    a1972guy saidObama never FULLY supported "us" as Gays, hence his non-support of Prop 8 for us. However, he's not FULLY against us either. So, we have to take baby steps in order to get what we want and go where we want. So at the end of the day, Obama's the one in office, not me, not you, Obama, so he's going to invite his support he has had over the years and we will just need to handle ourselves in accordance with what he can and continue to fight and move forward with others that will be on our side. So, baby steps first.


    that does not explain why he would invite this divisive bigot to be a part of his inauguration.
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    Dec 18, 2008 5:33 AM GMT
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    a1972guy saidObama never FULLY supported "us" as Gays, hence his non-support of Prop 8 for us. However, he's not FULLY against us either. So, we have to take baby steps in order to get what we want and go where we want. So at the end of the day, Obama's the one in office, not me, not you, Obama, so he's going to invite his support he has had over the years and we will just need to handle ourselves in accordance with what he can and continue to fight and move forward with others that will be on our side. So, baby steps first.


    that does not explain why he would invite this divisive bigot to be a part of his inauguration.


    My statement is not meant to offer you an explanation, the only person qualified to offer you an explanation would be Obama. In the mean time, I'll take my baby steps and run with them!
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    Dec 18, 2008 6:40 AM GMT
    NoSuchPerson saidAccording to some historians, the first gay U.S. President was elected in 1856.

    James Buchanan, 15th President from 1957-1961, lived with William King, 13th Vice President in 1953 (died in office), for a number of years.


    Unfortunately, many historians also regard him as one of the worst presidents.

    Hunter9 saidobama is not a christian. he is not religious. he is not spiritual. he is too smart to believe in fairy tales. he's been attending church for years since he knows he needs that connection with the common folks (i.e. idiots) in order to rise in ranks.

    all that said, i am baffled as to why this guy would be invited


    Oh, lots of smart people believe in fairy tales. Maybe Obama doesn't really believe in all that, but I'd bet he does.

    As to why this guy would be invited, precisely because Obama's smart: Get your enemies on your side. Disarm them. You never know who you're going to need on your side (or at least not against you) when re-election time comes.
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    chicago_barry saidObama no more believes in gay/lesbian equality than Jerry Falwell did.
    He has publicly announced his opposition to equal treatment under the law and is a champion of discrimination. He is the enemy of gay and lesbian citizens. His administration will not mean any positive changes for gays and lesbians and will likely push our rights back even further.


    I, along with several million people what as Obama was asked the exact same question as McCain-Do you agree with Gay Marriage. He said No and I can respect that. And in the same breath, he state he does however believe we have the right to domestic partnership, adoption, civil unions. The one flaw I thus far can find with Obama is the same with alot of other people. It is the word marriage. I don't know what it is about the word marriage that has their panties in a wad and there britches in bunches, that is a subject of other threads.
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    Dec 18, 2008 11:02 AM GMT
    Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Obama believes in marriage equality. Yet if he would have said it publicly... this country would probably run by a senior citizen for the next 4 years and possibly followed by someone who serisously scares the shit out of me: Sarah Palin.

    In my opinion, it seems that Obama is hiding his true feelings towards our community... in order to get elected and possibly help the gay community more than McCain ever would. (FYI: No, I am not a radical liberal... I am a moderate Independent.)
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    Dec 18, 2008 11:37 AM GMT
    cjcscuba1984 saidHonestly I wouldn't be surprised if Obama believes in marriage equality. Yet if he would have said it publicly... this country would probably run by a senior citizen for the next 4 years and possibly followed by someone who serisously scares the shit out of me: Sarah Palin.

    In my opinion, it seems that Obama is hiding his true feelings towards our community... in order to get elected and possibly help the gay community more than McCain ever would. (FYI: No, I am not a radical liberal... I am a moderate Independent.)


    You're right it may have just been politics. But right now Obama has to worry about the economy, who knows when GLBT issues will be at or near the top of the list.
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    Dec 18, 2008 12:51 PM GMT
    Remember Barack Obama is a politician, so don't be surprised when he acts like one.
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    Dec 18, 2008 1:12 PM GMT
    "a genuine blow..."


    Interesting choice of words.