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    Dec 18, 2008 2:03 AM GMT
    http://gayconservative.org/2008/12/13/alert-sarah-palins-church-burned-arson-suspected/#comments

    whether you like the woman or not, you have to admit that this is pretty sad.
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    Dec 18, 2008 3:47 AM GMT
    What's more sad is that kids were involved...not to mention that there is a website called gayconservative.org. SCARRY!!!!icon_eek.gif
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    Dec 18, 2008 3:47 AM GMT



    Dude listen to yourself? A CHURCH was burned.

    Our rights were taken away.

    A church was burned. icon_sad.gif



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    Dec 18, 2008 3:50 AM GMT
    There's nothing like false belief systems / cults / religion to make folks throw out all reason.

    Burning stuff is wrong.
    Having false belief systems is wrong.
    Two wrongs don't make right in any way.
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    Dec 18, 2008 4:06 AM GMT
    It's sweet that Sarah was megalomaniacal enough to think someone might have burnt the church down because of her. She must be a bit down on herself to think she's the only turd that attends that church.

    Burning churches is poor form, and burning them with people in them is totally unacceptable. But building new churches - that's an harmless purpose for the religious dollar.
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    Dec 18, 2008 4:08 AM GMT
    Burning a Church is JUST wrong!!! NOT COOL!
  • Rookz

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    Dec 18, 2008 4:31 AM GMT
    Burning anything that's precious to people is wrong. When you put your own time, effort and energy into something you believe in and have it burned down, its awful that someone hateful would take that away from you.
  • Rookz

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    Dec 18, 2008 5:32 AM GMT
    Easy to say online, but say that to people to their face' that's funny.' Human rights WILL be fixed, but we ourselves should not stoop low, we are better than that.
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    Dec 18, 2008 5:33 AM GMT
    munch_on_my_cOOkies saidMoose shit makes good mortar!!

    Now, How many homosexuals have been "BURNED" royal?

    It's a building that can be fixed...how about human rights?

    I am not advocating the burring.....It's just funny to me.icon_lol.gif
    I don't feel to bad for them either.
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    Dec 18, 2008 5:36 AM GMT
    We ask for fair treatment from others yet we mock those who have a faith which was desecrated?

    I am not advocating any sort of palinisme nor any doctrine other than we can't expect fair treatment if we are hypocrites. Anything done out of malice is shameful.
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    Dec 18, 2008 6:03 AM GMT
    Honestly... I don't feel anything about the church-burning really. I don't feel bad, but neither do I applaud it.

    The only thing horrifying about it is that there were people inside. Otherwise... I don't care. Nobody screams foul when organized religions mess up other people's lives. They start wars, drive people to suicide, impose their doctrines, destroy cultures etc. Sorry but a church burning just seems insignificant in comparison to me. Religions burn each others' temples all the time anyway.
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    Dec 18, 2008 6:50 AM GMT
    I'm with Sedative on this one. I just have a 'meh... and?' reaction.

    The only thing that's really effecting me in this story is that there were people inside. Let them have their crazy cult, but damn... don't try to burn them alive for it.

    However if the building was empty... well, you reap what you sow. You can't run around verbally attacking groups of people without expecting SOME kind of backlash.
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    Dec 18, 2008 7:38 AM GMT
    Very true Mr Sedative.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Dec 18, 2008 4:07 PM GMT
    It's unfortunate and more than sad. I may not agree with the Palin governor's views, but thats totally inappropriate......if in fact the two things are linked.
  • coolarmydude

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    Dec 18, 2008 4:14 PM GMT
    To those who advocate or are indifferent to burning churches:

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    HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?
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    Dec 18, 2008 10:08 PM GMT
    Burning a church is 'wrong' of course. But I wouldn't really call burning down a building 'evil'. It helps to keep a sense of perspective. These are evil:

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    Dec 18, 2008 10:31 PM GMT
    jffrsnndisc0rlnss saidhttp://gayconservative.org/2008/12/13/alert-sarah-palins-church-burned-arson-suspected/#comments

    whether you like the woman or not, you have to admit that this is pretty sad.
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    That is fucked up...what no one cares about tolerance any more?
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    Dec 18, 2008 10:44 PM GMT
    Some religious people have done bad things and some religious people will do bad things again. I know. We get it. Lord knows atheists have never murdered millions of people before...

    Some good, decent people may have gone to this church (Palin not among them). These people just lost an important part of their community. Not a great tragedy, but still horrible all the same. For all the talk my fellow atheists give about the inhumane acts some religious people have committed, we sure can be lacking in humanity towards believers.
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    Dec 18, 2008 11:16 PM GMT
    Not a great tragedy, indeed. So why is everybody acting like it's at par with the someone stabbing somebody to death?

    Is it because it was 'sacred'? No matter how you look at it, it's just a building. And they can repair it anyhow.

    I can already see the repercussions of this one. They'll blame liberals, they'll blame atheists, and they'll blame gays. And it will most likely be something far in excess. Might even increase the number of gaybashings if it becomes connected with the GLBT rights movement.

    The number of times religions have started wars just because of a perceived 'desecration' is uncountable. People will kill and torture other people just because someone named wrote graffiti on the temple of a religion, spat on a sacred object of one religion, protested against certain doctrines of a religion, did something that went against doctrines of a religion, dared to lay a hand on something decreed untouchable by a religion, etc.

    That's the concept of 'sacredness'. Where you are excused to retaliate in more than the original wrong because you are doing divine justice. I don't see anything about common humanity in that.

    It's still just a building.
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    Dec 18, 2008 11:55 PM GMT
    It is not just a building anymore than your own home is just a building. A church is the center of a community. It can be rebuilt, and it is incomparable to the loss of human life. Interestingly, some contributions by atheists, follow your line about the sacred. Religion is taboo and believers are not deserving of our compassion.

    Unwillingness to see that subjectively it is more than a mere building is disengagement. Unwillingness to be in dialogue with other beliefs is exactly what the Pope's policy is due to the inherent falseness of other beliefs. Being closed like that help makes the Pope the colossal ass hole he is. Engaging a little and saying "hey, sure sucks your church got burned down. Is there a nascent Black Metal scene in Alaska?" is more constructive.

    Of course. This is just real jock. I think stones can be safely thrown without shattering interfaith dialogue.
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    Dec 19, 2008 12:15 AM GMT
    Okay okay. So it does suck having their church burn down. I'm just saying that it would help more if people didn't overreact to this. Saying that it is a 'tragedy' would only encourage more division. Its significance gets blown way over proportion. I'm just hoping that the arsonist isn't connected to the GLBT rights movement because I'm pretty sure we'll get shit if that happens. No matter how undeserved.

    Palin's burned-out church holds services elsewhere

    Here's something from that article I agree with more:

    "The church is still there. We are the church."

    Now read further on that article. At the bottom. They are already trying to pin the blame. The media is starting to spin the 'disgruntled gays' angle. That is what I'm afraid of. When sacredness starts to distort the actual damage done.

    On the other news... this, however, deserves and gets more sympathy from me:

    Berlin Memorial To Gay Holocaust Victims Vandalized—Again
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    Dec 19, 2008 12:39 AM GMT
    When people do something wrong, they should be held accountable. Burning a church is wrong. Trying to "fix" gay people is wrong. An asshole is an asshole and at least two people stink of ass in that church. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 19, 2008 12:51 AM GMT
    Burning down a church isn't the same thing as burning down a convenience store. It is wrong on so many levels than just being a mere building. It takes a new level of low to do something like this.