East Lee County High School senior Mark Betterson intervenes as bully beats gay teen, then suspended for 10 days

  • metta

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    Feb 10, 2014 4:31 AM GMT
    Student intervenes as bully beats gay teen, then suspended for 10 days


    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/09/student-intervenes-as-bully-beats-gay-teen-then-suspended-for-10-days/
  • metta

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    Feb 10, 2014 4:34 AM GMT
    http://www.leeschools.net/school/school_splash.aspx?ssid=64
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    Feb 10, 2014 3:56 PM GMT
    I'm so sick of this 'zero tolerance' bullshit where folks can't use just a little common sense.
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    Feb 10, 2014 5:00 PM GMT
    metta8 saidhttp://www.leeschools.net/school/school_splash.aspx?ssid=64


    Thanks Metta. I wrote the school and suggest others do the same.
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    Feb 10, 2014 5:23 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidI'm so sick of this 'zero tolerance' bullshit where folks can't use just a little common sense.


    Florida has a good sam law for med care but I don't see why it wouldn't apply to preventing bullying

    768.13 Good Samaritan Act; immunity from civil liability.--

    (1) This act shall be known and cited as the "Good Samaritan Act."

    (2)(a) Any person, including those licensed to practice medicine, who gratuitously and in good faith renders emergency care or treatment either in direct response to emergency situations related to and arising out of a public health emergency declared pursuant to s. 381.00315, a state of emergency which has been declared pursuant to s. 252.36 or at the scene of an emergency outside of a hospital, doctor’s office, or other place having proper medical equipment, without objection of the injured victim or victims thereof, shall not be held liable for any civil damages as a result of such care or treatment or as a result of any act or failure to act in providing or arranging further medical treatment where the person acts as an ordinary reasonably prudent person would have acted under the same or similar circumstances.


    Preventing bullying is rendering emergency assistance so ought to be held harmless with regard to zero tolerance.
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    Feb 10, 2014 6:12 PM GMT
    Please. This is Republican Florida. The gay kid is always wrong here, along with his defenders. icon_sad.gif
  • tuffguyndc

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    Feb 10, 2014 7:21 PM GMT
    good for him. i am glad he stood up for the gay guy.
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    Feb 10, 2014 7:51 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidPlease. This is Republican Florida. The gay kid is always wrong here, along with his defenders. icon_sad.gif


    Your politicizing everything is becoming a bit tiresome. As if bullying of gay kids doesn't happen in democrat states. Seeing the world in such black and white terms (Republicans/Bad; Democrats/Good) is so immature and juvenile. Come back when you have something of value to say.
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    Feb 10, 2014 7:55 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidI'm so sick of this 'zero tolerance' bullshit where folks can't use just a little common sense.


    Common sense went out of fashion around the same time as the horse and buggy it seems - around the same time we became such a litigious society.
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    Feb 10, 2014 8:20 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidI'm so sick of this 'zero tolerance' bullshit where folks can't use just a little common sense.


    Common sense went out of fashion around the same time as the horse and buggy it seems - around the same time we became such a litigious society.


    Shit, we would have had a graduating class of about zero when I graduated if the same ridiculous rules were in place. We carried our rifles to school (unloaded and locked) on the school bus for the phys ed marksmanship class and my metal shop class project was a cannon that shot D cell batteries. Can you imagine that in today's world? I don't even want to admit what the swim and wrestling team did in the steam room and showers after all the coaches and parents left. The only way we get in trouble is not lock the building up when we all left or leave cum spots on the floors.
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    Feb 10, 2014 8:30 PM GMT
    Now watch, this kid will likely get suspended for this

    http://www.aol.com/article/2014/02/10/miley-cyrus-nicely-declines-teens-prom-invite/20826921/?icid
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    Feb 10, 2014 8:40 PM GMT
    metta8 saidStudent intervenes as bully beats gay teen, then suspended for 10 days


    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/09/student-intervenes-as-bully-beats-gay-teen-then-suspended-for-10-days/

    That's a suspension you WANT on your permanent record. I'd put that on every college and job application!
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    Feb 10, 2014 8:55 PM GMT
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    metta8 saidStudent intervenes as bully beats gay teen, then suspended for 10 days


    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/09/student-intervenes-as-bully-beats-gay-teen-then-suspended-for-10-days/

    That's a suspension you WANT on your permanent record. I'd put that on every college and job application!


    Absolutely !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • chadwick1985

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    Feb 10, 2014 9:47 PM GMT
    theantijock said
    freedomisntfree saidI'm so sick of this 'zero tolerance' bullshit where folks can't use just a little common sense.


    Florida has a good sam law for med care but I don't see why it wouldn't apply to preventing bullying

    768.13 Good Samaritan Act; immunity from civil liability.--

    (1) This act shall be known and cited as the "Good Samaritan Act."

    (2)(a) Any person, including those licensed to practice medicine, who gratuitously and in good faith renders emergency care or treatment either in direct response to emergency situations related to and arising out of a public health emergency declared pursuant to s. 381.00315, a state of emergency which has been declared pursuant to s. 252.36 or at the scene of an emergency outside of a hospital, doctor’s office, or other place having proper medical equipment, withou




    Good Sam laws only apply to performing medical care such as CPR or doing something like pulling someone out of a burning car and causing them to be paralyzed.





    Preventing bullying is rendering emergency assistance so ought to be held harmless with regard to zero tolerance.
  • tazzari

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    Feb 11, 2014 1:49 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidI'm so sick of this 'zero tolerance' bullshit where folks can't use just a little common sense.



    THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Feb 11, 2014 1:52 AM GMT
    UndercoverMan said
    ART_DECO saidPlease. This is Republican Florida. The gay kid is always wrong here, along with his defenders. icon_sad.gif


    Your politicizing everything is becoming a bit tiresome. As if bullying of gay kids doesn't happen in democrat states. Seeing the world in such black and white terms (Republicans/Bad; Democrats/Good) is so immature and juvenile. Come back when you have something of value to say.


    No, he is correct. Lee County and the rest of Southwest Florida is very conservative, very behind the remainder of the civilized world and completely out of lockstep with tolerance and acceptance.

    What can you expect from a region that sent Katherine Harris to Congress?
  • tazzari

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    Feb 11, 2014 1:52 AM GMT
    Doesn't Florida have a Stand Your Ground law? Now if the kids had just been armed, the kid getting bullied could have opened fire, waste the bully, and saved his rescuer from being suspended. And the more rabid NRA types would have cheered. Or not - do they cheer for gay stand-your-grounders too?
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    Feb 11, 2014 1:57 AM GMT
    tazzari saidDoesn't Florida have a Stand Your Ground law? Now if the kids had just been armed, the kid getting bullied could have opened fire, waste the bully, and saved his rescuer from being suspended. And the more rabid NRA types would have cheered. Or not - do they cheer for gay stand-your-grounders too?


    Yes we do and sadly that law has given us a considerable amount of unwanted attention. However, "Stand Your Ground" gives armed white males free reign to shoot and kill unarmed black youth. Does the name George Zimmerman ring a bell?

    Therefore, since this law applies towards murdering innocent black kids, the gay did in this case would not have stood a chance if he fired a shot into the bully.

    Currently, there is a "Stand Your Ground" trial underway in Jacksonville where an armed white man fired about 9 rounds into an unarmed young black man over loud rap music.
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    Feb 11, 2014 1:58 AM GMT
    I'm sure the school is going to get a lawsuit and the kid getting beat up and the kid who intervened will receive compensation.

    Also for the senior it shows great character for when he goes to college. Some colleges love to see students "Stand Up" for what is right and still get punished. It shows great moral character.
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    Feb 11, 2014 2:09 AM GMT
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    UndercoverMan said
    ART_DECO saidPlease. This is Republican Florida. The gay kid is always wrong here, along with his defenders. icon_sad.gif


    Your politicizing everything is becoming a bit tiresome. As if bullying of gay kids doesn't happen in democrat states. Seeing the world in such black and white terms (Republicans/Bad; Democrats/Good) is so immature and juvenile. Come back when you have something of value to say.


    No, he is correct. Lee County and the rest of Southwest Florida is very conservative, very behind the remainder of the civilized world and completely out of lockstep with tolerance and acceptance.

    What can you expect from a region that sent Katherine Harris to Congress?


    Actually as you know TJ, Lee County is Ft Myers and Cape Coral areas. Katherine Harris actually represented the 13th CD which was part of Pinellas County which is St Pete and Dunedin area. The current rep for Lee County area, Trey Radel, was the dude who just resigned cause he was arrested on coke charges. Connie Mack may be back there.
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    Feb 11, 2014 2:19 AM GMT
    NJDewd said
    turtleneckjock said
    UndercoverMan said
    ART_DECO saidPlease. This is Republican Florida. The gay kid is always wrong here, along with his defenders. icon_sad.gif


    Your politicizing everything is becoming a bit tiresome. As if bullying of gay kids doesn't happen in democrat states. Seeing the world in such black and white terms (Republicans/Bad; Democrats/Good) is so immature and juvenile. Come back when you have something of value to say.


    No, he is correct. Lee County and the rest of Southwest Florida is very conservative, very behind the remainder of the civilized world and completely out of lockstep with tolerance and acceptance.

    What can you expect from a region that sent Katherine Harris to Congress?


    Actually as you know TJ, Lee County is Ft Myers and Cape Coral areas. Katherine Harris actually represented the 13th CD which was part of Pinellas County which is St Pete and Dunedin area. The current rep for Lee County area, Trey Radel, was the dude who just resigned cause he was arrested on coke charges. Connie Mack may be back there.


    Yes, and that is why I indicated that "region." Harris is from up the road in Sarasota. The old 13th CD may have included some or all of Manatee, Sarasota and Charlotte Counties. The 13th CD now is mainly Pinellas, formerly represented by Bill Young who died late last year.

    If Mack were to come back to his Cape Coma ('scuse me--Cape Coral) home, then he'll have to leave Palm Springs--as that is where he and his second wife, former Congresswoman Mary Bono Mack, now live. Connie III is as big of a doofus as his father was.
  • kuroshiro

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    Feb 11, 2014 5:13 AM GMT
    It doesn't matter what anyone does. You can stand there and take the beating from the other person and you will still get suspended simply because you were involved in the fight. Defending or intervening, the school sees it all the same and it essentially clears bother problems regardless of who was right or wrong.

    Edit: He does say the other kid (the aggressor) didn't like him jumping into the mix to break it up and attacked him so those two started fighting. So, there you have it. Those two got into a scuffle then so the suspension is justified from the schools end.
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    Feb 11, 2014 5:26 AM GMT
    chadwick1985 said

    Good Sam laws only apply to performing medical care such as CPR or doing something like pulling someone out of a burning car and causing them to be paralyzed.


    Yes, I understand how the law was written specifically. My point is that it ought to apply nonetheless because, as I stated: "Preventing bullying is rendering emergency assistance so ought to be held harmless with regard to zero tolerance."

    What's the difference between someone pulling someone out of a burning car, or pulling someone out of the way of a careening bullydozer.

    The theory behind good sam is that a person isn't held liable when trying to help someone in immediate trouble. We do that so that people aren't discouraged from helping. Just as a high school shouldn't discourage anyone from preventing bullying.

    If some kid had a gun pointed at some heterosexual girls and another student managed to tackle the gunman with no innocent victim getting hurt, would he have been suspended too?

    I understand not wanting to encourage poor judgment but I do not understand punishing a hero.
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    Feb 11, 2014 5:31 AM GMT
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    What's the difference between someone pulling someone out of a burning car, or pulling someone out of the way of a careening bullydozer.


    I think you could still be sued over that. If someone felt that you were interfering with "their time to die" then they could probably take you to court and sue you for everything you have. I think someone did it not that long ago and won. A friend of mine was involved in something about a decade ago when someone had a seizure and fell over, smacking their head on the sidewalk, cracking it open. He pretty much held them together until medical help arrived. When the person was competent enough they tried taking him to court but the judge (at the time) dismissed any such attempt by the plaintiff as a frivolous attempt of monetary gain.
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    Feb 11, 2014 6:03 AM GMT
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    What's the difference between someone pulling someone out of a burning car, or pulling someone out of the way of a careening bullydozer.


    I think you could still be sued over that. If someone felt that you were interfering with "their time to die" then they could probably take you to court and sue you for everything you have. I think someone did it not that long ago and won. A friend of mine was involved in something about a decade ago when someone had a seizure and fell over, smacking their head on the sidewalk, cracking it open. He pretty much held them together until medical help arrived. When the person was competent enough they tried taking him to court but the judge (at the time) dismissed any such attempt by the plaintiff as a frivolous attempt of monetary gain.


    Apparently it wasn't the time to die...

    Anyone can sue for anything. Doesn't mean yer gonna get away with it. And just because there are some bad people in the world, doesn't mean you should live your life as if everyone was a bad person.