Jon Stewart on the Daily Show from a piece about reactions to Michael Sam coming out

  • Hunkymonkey

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    Feb 12, 2014 9:37 AM GMT
    What...? You know, it's so weird how some guys just assume that they're so irresistible to gay guys.

    "I mean, I guess what I'm saying is how can he not be attracted to me? I mean, I guess I'm saying I'm the total package. I'm ripped, my ass is as tight as two snare drums, I mean, all I'm saying is if you were gay, and you were in the shower with me, could you resist? I couldn't resist. I mean, to be quite frank with you, it's all I can do to stop from jacking off right here looking at myself. I mean, it's all, I'm unbelievable. I'm a beautiful, beautiful man." (audience laughter)
  • peterstrong

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    Feb 12, 2014 2:49 PM GMT
    I saw this the other night - its such a perfect response ! LOL icon_biggrin.gif


    It totally speaks to the dude's repressed bisexuality, I think the vast majority of 100% straight guys don't worry about a guy looking at them - but a dude that worries that his cock mite start getting aroused by another guy looking at him in that way, has reason to be nervous icon_smile.gif

    The numbers don't lie - around 50% of Americans support gay marriage, those whose sexual attraction is not a choice, ie. 10% gay plus 40% straights.

    its the 50% who have the ability to express bisexuality, albeit repressed, that struggle with accepting it
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    Feb 12, 2014 3:32 PM GMT
    Well done Daily. Thanks for sharing the link.
  • irishkcguy

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    Feb 12, 2014 4:57 PM GMT
    Sam has a bit of an uphill battle because he's likely going to have to play a different position in the pros. He's not big enough to play DE in the NFL. He'll have to switch to outside linebacker and won't be able to just be a one dimensional pass rusher. If he can make the switch successfully, in 12 months this will be a non-story. If he can play, nobody on his team will give two fucks if he's gay.
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    Feb 12, 2014 5:08 PM GMT
    Stewart really skewered football with the "NFL material" slam. But I do wonder if coming out will hurt Sam's draft prospects. Brave choice, his choice, now let's see if the NFL is up to the challenge.
  • Destinharbor

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    Feb 12, 2014 5:24 PM GMT
    irishkcguy saidSam has a bit of an uphill battle because he's likely going to have to play a different position in the pros. He's not big enough to play DE in the NFL. He'll have to switch to outside linebacker and won't be able to just be a one dimensional pass rusher. If he can make the switch successfully, in 12 months this will be a non-story. If he can play, nobody on his team will give two fucks if he's gay.

    Yeah, and unfortunately if he can't make the switch to outside linebacker the gay issue will probably get the headlines.
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    Feb 12, 2014 5:47 PM GMT
    John Steward definitely nailed it with his answer , thanks mate for posting .icon_smile.gif
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    Feb 12, 2014 7:42 PM GMT
    That was rewarding.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Feb 12, 2014 8:16 PM GMT
    Psychological research indicates that prejudice almost always results from personal insecurities that compel a person to project their own unwanted traits to others.

    My experience bears this out. My best friend is the straightest guy I know, he drips with testosterone and there's a new girl every week. He is also the least homophobic of my straight friends. I took him to a very cruisy local sauna, he was fine. He enjoys coming with gay bars with me to pick off the hags. He doesn't mind gay guys hitting on him at all. He just says something like "Thank you for the compliment, but I'm not into guys at all." *shrug* No big deal. And it's a reflection of his security, self-confidence, and how comfortable he is in his own skin.

    The NFL players insecure about Michael Sam's sexuality are really insecure about their own. And that probably goes for every homophobe.
  • WhoDey

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    Feb 13, 2014 1:33 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidFrom my personal experience, black people are so disdainfully disapproving of gays. Here in the Seattle area it is very rare to find black people who are supportive or at the very least - indifferent toward the matter. Either you meet black men that are gay (and typically flamboyant about it) or the flip side which are overly outspoken homophobes pontificating on how wrong homosexuality is.


    The 2 black people you know don't represent the entire black community
  • thadjock

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    Feb 13, 2014 1:48 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidFrom my personal experience, black people are so disdainfully disapproving of gays. Here in the Seattle area it is very rare to find black people who are supportive or at the very least - indifferent toward the matter. Either you meet black men that are gay (and typically flamboyant about it) or the flip side which are overly outspoken homophobes pontificating on how wrong homosexuality is.


    i think this sounds pretty accurate based on black friends that i know and how intense their family's bias is against gays.

    i know that's not a scientific survey but i think generally it's harder to be gay in certain cultures than others. in addition to certain parts of the country too.
  • WhoDey

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    Feb 13, 2014 2:12 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    WhoDey said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidFrom my personal experience, black people are so disdainfully disapproving of gays. Here in the Seattle area it is very rare to find black people who are supportive or at the very least - indifferent toward the matter. Either you meet black men that are gay (and typically flamboyant about it) or the flip side which are overly outspoken homophobes pontificating on how wrong homosexuality is.


    The 2 black people you know don't represent the entire black community


    ^^
    Who's this lttle white bitch thinkin' he knowz what shit isicon_question.gif

    I know dozens of black people here where I live and many more in Chicago where I'm originally from.

    What's typically worse are bible thumpin' black Christian women who are almost always chastising homosexuals.

    Please refrain from usurping my observations. It's also insulting to infer that I would come to a conclusion about a demographic of people by assuming that I only had exposure to two individuals.

    I applaud Michael Sam for his courage because, as a black man, he is going to either help change his fellow black brethen's negative views on homosexuality or he is going to endure a lot of polarization. He's taking quite the risk by coming out publicly. Luckily for him, he's 6'2" and 260lb of muscle. I don't think anyone will mess with him.


    Oddly enough the three people who have done the most for the gay movement/perception over the last couple of decades are black (Obama, Jason Collins, Michael Sam)
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    Feb 13, 2014 2:18 AM GMT
    "Is as if he's sexual orientation had nothing to do with his physical strength icon_question.gif"

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  • The_Guruburu

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    Feb 13, 2014 2:21 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidFrom my personal experience, black people are so disdainfully disapproving of gays. Here in the Seattle area it is very rare to find black people who are supportive or at the very least - indifferent toward the matter. Either you meet black men that are gay (and typically flamboyant about it) or the flip side which are overly outspoken homophobes pontificating on how wrong homosexuality is.


    ^ This is 100% true. I'm Black and I'm disdainfully disapproving of gays. So is my religious mom (who I just came out to a few months ago), my cousin (who recently said the toast at her lesbian friend's wedding, other Black family members, pretty much every Black person I know.
  • FRE0

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    Feb 13, 2014 2:53 AM GMT
    Hunkymonkey saidWhat...? You know, it's so weird how some guys just assume that they're so irresistible to gay guys.

    "I mean, I guess what I'm saying is how can he not be attracted to me? I mean, I guess I'm saying I'm the total package. I'm ripped, my ass is as tight as two snare drums, I mean, all I'm saying is if you were gay, and you were in the shower with me, could you resist? I couldn't resist. I mean, to be quite frank with you, it's all I can do to stop from jacking off right here looking at myself. I mean, it's all, I'm unbelievable. I'm a beautiful, beautiful man." (audience laughter)


    There are situations where one cannot win. A non-gay guy may feel insulted if a gay man is not attracted to him and also insulted if a gay man is attracted to him.
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    Feb 13, 2014 4:25 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidFrom my personal experience, black people are so disdainfully disapproving of gays. Here in the Seattle area it is very rare to find black people who are supportive or at the very least - indifferent toward the matter. Either you meet black men that are gay (and typically flamboyant about it) or the flip side which are overly outspoken homophobes pontificating on how wrong homosexuality is.


    How in the world did we go from Jon Stewart mocking the NFL to a personal rant against blacks? LOL! Not sure if you've been following his story but a good portion of the support this guy has been getting has come from fellow blacks, be it teammates, players on other teams, sportscasters, family members. I don't have a problem with your opinion, so nothing personal at all. I just have a problem with your homework. If you want to find blacks who are supportive of gays, you can find them where you'd find similar supportive people of other races... In the educated & secure aisle. Ask Eric Holder and his boss.

    Just speaking from my experience with fellow blacks... a lot of fellow blacks....
  • FRE0

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    Feb 13, 2014 6:11 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    FRE0 said
    Hunkymonkey saidWhat...? You know, it's so weird how some guys just assume that they're so irresistible to gay guys.

    "I mean, I guess what I'm saying is how can he not be attracted to me? I mean, I guess I'm saying I'm the total package. I'm ripped, my ass is as tight as two snare drums, I mean, all I'm saying is if you were gay, and you were in the shower with me, could you resist? I couldn't resist. I mean, to be quite frank with you, it's all I can do to stop from jacking off right here looking at myself. I mean, it's all, I'm unbelievable. I'm a beautiful, beautiful man." (audience laughter)


    There are situations where one cannot win. A non-gay guy may feel insulted if a gay man is not attracted to him and also insulted if a gay man is attracted to him.


    As a boy who knew he was gay but yet hid his sexuality, I was always a bit bewildered by how my straight friends would talk about women. If we were hanging out at the arcade or sitting at a McDonalds or Burger King having a meal, my straight friends would assess all the women that came into the room or simply passed us by. They would say things like, "Oh yeah I'd do her." Or, "I'd let her suck my dick." So when you see a straight male getting all huffy and agitated about being assessed by a gay man, it's because this is what he does to women. So he's basically getting all worked up over something that he already does. The only difference is he does it to the opposite sex.

    I have come to the conclusion that men assess women as though they are sexual objects to be owned and/or exploited. Perhaps it's something primal or genetically encoded in men. The interesting thing is, they see nothing wrong with it when they do it towards women. But God forbid, it's completely unacceptable when they are perceived as sexual obects to be owned/used.


    You've made a good point. Non-gay males who see women only as sex objects probably assume that gay males see other males only as sex objects and they do not like the idea of being treated only as sex objects. That's projection.
  • FRE0

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    Feb 13, 2014 6:17 AM GMT
    Myol said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidFrom my personal experience, black people are so disdainfully disapproving of gays. Here in the Seattle area it is very rare to find black people who are supportive or at the very least - indifferent toward the matter. Either you meet black men that are gay (and typically flamboyant about it) or the flip side which are overly outspoken homophobes pontificating on how wrong homosexuality is.


    How in the world did we go from Jon Stewart mocking the NFL to a personal rant against blacks? LOL! Not sure if you've been following his story but a good portion of the support this guy has been getting has come from fellow blacks, be it teammates, players on other teams, sportscasters, family members. I don't have a problem with your opinion, so nothing personal at all. I just have a problem with your homework. If you want to find blacks who are supportive of gays, you can find them where you'd find similar supportive people of other races... In the educated & secure aisle. Ask Eric Holder and his boss.

    Just speaking from my experience with fellow blacks... a lot of fellow blacks....


    I am not necessarily disagreeing with you. However, based on my personal non-scientific observations, it looks as though churches with black clergy and a mostly black congregation are much more likely to be anti-gay than are churches with white clergy and a mostly white congregation. I find that especially disturbing because I was speaking out in favor of full racial equality before doing so became socially acceptable. At the time I lived in Minnesota so it never caused serious problems for me, but many people strongly disagreed with me.
  • The_Guruburu

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    Feb 13, 2014 9:58 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    The_Guruburu said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidFrom my personal experience, black people are so disdainfully disapproving of gays. Here in the Seattle area it is very rare to find black people who are supportive or at the very least - indifferent toward the matter. Either you meet black men that are gay (and typically flamboyant about it) or the flip side which are overly outspoken homophobes pontificating on how wrong homosexuality is.


    ^ This is 100% true. I'm Black and I'm disdainfully disapproving of gays. So is my religious mom (who I just came out to a few months ago), my cousin (who recently said the toast at her lesbian friend's wedding, other Black family members, pretty much every Black person I know.


    Could you pour on the sarcasm just a little more, please?


    This validates your opinion. I though you'd be happy that a negro was agreeing with your generalizations about us coloreds. Can't please everybody, I guess. icon_sad.gif

    Perhaps you'd prefer some debunking?

    Let's see what I find when I do a google search for "why are white people so homophobic?" (<–don't get mad, this is based entirely on personal experience icon_twisted.gif )

    Op-Ed: Are Black People More Homophobic Than White People?

    [W]hite dominated LGBT organizations such as GLAAD, NOH8, and the It Gets Better campaign mobilize celebrity advocacy,  fundraise, and garner online support, their efforts consistently erase black support for LGBT causes, compounding a dangerous myth about black homophobia...Specifically, blackness is emphasized while whiteness is elided completely, guided by a type of “selective colorblindness.”

    Consider the following: Discussions of Frank Ocean’s “coming out” or Prop 8’s November passage in California routinely discuss homophobia in the “hip hop,” “urban,” and “black” communities, but the uniformity of homophobia among white conservatives, the around the block support for Chik-Fil-A, the Family Research Council’s dubious support for the Ugandan death bill, never elicit a critique of the “white community” and white homophobia.
    [...]
    By only emphasizing race in instances of black homophobia, white progressives tacitly imply some hidden aspect of black culture itself that causes homophobia. In actuality, homophobia manifests differently in different spaces, based on the identities, resources, etc. of the people who inhabit them. This cultural meme of reflecting structural problems onto black folk is not unique to homophobia. This same trope displaces misogyny onto, where else, “hip hop culture.”

    [...]The moderate left, unwilling and unable to critique whiteness and its complicity in prejudice, instead transfers the racialization of homophobia onto black communities. Instead of positing whether whites or black are “less” or “more” homophobic, LGBT folks, allies, and advocates should be interested in “how” and “why.” Understanding how homophobia manifests in different ways and different communities allows us to create culturally specific strategies to curb ramifications of homophobia in black, white Latino, Asian, and Native communities.


    I could post more, and even some parallel examples, like straight people complaining that gay men are pedophiles (based on their personal experience!) or that jocks are violent misogynistic brutes (personal experience! Plus the Internet agrees with this!) but I think you get the point. Bigoted crap is crap, whether it's your "personal experience" that's been validated by the interwebs or not.


    Aaaand back to Michael Sam!
  • rugbyjockca

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    Feb 13, 2014 10:40 AM GMT
    Pretty sure that white people are just as homophobic as anyone else. ALL the homophobes I personally know are white. And you don't get more white or more homophobic than the Phelps family.

    This thread got racist really fast.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Feb 13, 2014 6:44 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI assumed that a community that endured racism and lack of acceptance would not be so quick to regurgitate the same type of intolerance toward another demographic.


    Gay minorities have falsely assumed the same thing about gay white men.

    It's been my experience that you get back what you put out; consequently, I have experienced little racism and almost no homophobia. *shrug* I doubt anyone will take seriously complaints of white gays about black racism seriously until they stop being so racist themselves.
  • rugbyjockca

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    Feb 13, 2014 7:16 PM GMT

    "You are taking your discussion and your debate in so many different directions. I suggest in order to make a stronger more concrete argument that you learn to stay on track and not dilute into so many different directions. Also, the numerous bitter sarcastic jabs do nothing to convey your point of view other than make you look like some drag queen who's trying to put forth some type of theatrical nightclub performance. It's a little tacky and very cliché."


    Sooo...you're criticising someone for making bitter and sarcastic jabs by making a bitter and sarcastic jab? And throwing drag queens under the bus at the same time. Classy. Every gay on earth owes drag queens huge props, starting with Stonewall and going on to this day.

    "I never made the claim that black people were more homophobic than white people."

    You fail at communication. You may not have intended to say that black people were more homophobic, but the entire context of your statements until this point have led reasonable readers to that conclusion. If you want to apologize for your racism, go ahead, but lying about your racism is tacky and cliché.

    "But that is the direction you want to take this conversation in. This is, of course, after you brought misogyny, pedophilia and "abusive" jocks in the arena as your arsenal to somehow negate my comments. All fallacious and futile attempts to somehow usurp what I have experienced."

    You also fail at reading comprehension. Those were examples meant to show you how your comparisons were facile and incorrect. No one doubts your experiences, by the way. We are doubting your ability to use your experiences to describe the world as it actually is. Your data sample is not free of bias and suffers from being statistically small. No one with any understanding of logic, sociology, or psychology would take your experience and use it to describe an entire group of people.

    "I will say this one more time. From my observation, from hearing black people talk either right to my face or amongst each other while I could easily hear them, I cannot help but notice that there is a lot of homophobia among black people."

    ...but not MORE homophobia amongst black people, compared to other demographics, because you wouldn't say that, would you? In which case, what's your point?

    "With the exception of quite a few black singers, such as reggae and rap singers who make a lot of anti gay remarks in their music, the media has not influence me on my opinion regarding the matter."

    Man, if black singers surprise you with their homophobia, wait until you hear white people's music. Try some country, or some metal, or even crappy pop-songs. The fact is that ALL music genres have elements of homophobia, misogyny and racism. It just strikes me as interesting that you single out the genres that tend to be associated with black people.

    "It just surprises me that black people can be quite homophobic. It surprises me because due to the racism that many blacks have suffered I thought they, of all people, would know what it was/is like to be on the receiving end of intolerance and bigotry."

    Keep telling black people how they should interpret their experiences. I'm sure they're VERY interested.

    "I made the mistake of assuming if a person knows what it feels like to be hated simply for who he is; then how can that same person retch intolerance toward another. That is where I'm coming from. Hope I made myself clear(er)."

    You sure did.

  • The_Guruburu

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    Feb 13, 2014 7:51 PM GMT
    Thank you, rugbyjockca. I guess when posts become more than 3 sentences long, some people's reading comprehension skills fall to the wayside.