Football Is Homoerotic

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    Feb 15, 2014 4:30 PM GMT
    Football is a dangerous sport run as a ruthless business. More than ever, on any given Sunday, any team can win. Annual roster turnover is drastic: N.F.L., the players say — Not For Long. And yet every coach who wants to succeed in such a competitive business needs to build a sense of team purpose, to encourage players to subordinate themselves to the mutual endeavor. It works because, as is true in the military, the players feel a primary commitment and personal devotion to their leaders and peers.

    Other major sports have frequent games; an N.F.L. team’s entire regular-season playing time is 16 hours long. Most of the football existence is men sitting around in small meeting rooms. To encourage the immersion, the facility provides all the comforts of home; meals are cooked, your car is washed. It really is intimate. Players and coaches spoke often of their deep affection for one other. Many players came from single-parent families, and to some of them, football’s chief attraction was that it provided surrogates: “Football is my father,” one player told me. What retired players and coaches say they miss most is not the playing, but the camaraderie — having all those loving men around every day. During training camp there are bumper-sticker pranks carried out in the parking lot during which players’ vehicles were adorned with messages like “I Stop for Gay Bars.” When the coaches evaluated practice or game film, if they saw something objectionable, they might dismiss it as “gay porn.”

    Love was a word used frequently in regard to teammates and coaches. The very nature of football, focused as it is on strength, virility, grace and manly bonding, has an obvious homoerotic component for those who play and for those who watch. Part of the reason homosexuality is anathema in football, the reason gay players hide their sexual identity and fear rumors will keep them from getting drafted, is the worry that the affection could go too far and force the rest of the team to confront something uncomfortable in their bonds.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/15/opinion/footballs-loving-culture.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=0
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    Feb 15, 2014 5:27 PM GMT
    I don't know. To me all that is a bit of a stretch. Looked at that way, any organized activity that is all the same gender (sports, military, etc.) can be seen as "homoerotic". If by that word we mean 'eros' in the sense of emotional bonding, yeah. If, however, by 'eros' we mean only sexually stimulating, no, I don't think so.

    However, I do agree with the last paragraph:
    During my time with the Jets, a particularly savvy coach once asked me if I considered football people to be the worst homophobes I’d ever met. I said that it seemed to me that while football’s was a homophobic culture, the sport’s history was the eventual acceptance of anybody who could help a team win. When that happened with a gay player, I could imagine his teammates making up the wedding party at his marriage. The coach agreed and said that football right now was homophobic, but as soon as good players who were also gay players began identifying themselves as such, the sport would embrace them. In a day of concussions, bounties and bullying, football could use such a transformative moment.
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    Feb 15, 2014 5:59 PM GMT
    I think that is a good observation MikeW. I don't think a football team can be very successful unless they "love" each other in a deep way, perhaps not sexually as the article pointed out.
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    Feb 15, 2014 8:48 PM GMT
    The NFL used to be a little more homoerotic when players used to spank each other on their tight asses. Football is still very homoerotic but than so is wrestling, water polo, and swimming.
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    Feb 15, 2014 8:55 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidThe NFL used to be a little more homoerotic when players used to spank each other on their tight asses. Football is still very homoerotic but than so is wrestling, water polo, and swimming.


    In order for football to be homoerotic, don't you need two balls?
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    Feb 15, 2014 9:07 PM GMT
    MikeW saidI don't know. To me all that is a bit of a stretch. Looked at that way, any organized activity that is all the same gender (sports, military, etc.) can be seen as "homoerotic". If by that word we mean 'eros' in the sense of emotional bonding, yeah. If, however, by 'eros' we mean only sexually stimulating, no, I don't think so.

    However, I do agree with the last paragraph:
    During my time with the Jets, a particularly savvy coach once asked me if I considered football people to be the worst homophobes I’d ever met. I said that it seemed to me that while football’s was a homophobic culture, the sport’s history was the eventual acceptance of anybody who could help a team win. When that happened with a gay player, I could imagine his teammates making up the wedding party at his marriage. The coach agreed and said that football right now was homophobic, but as soon as good players who were also gay players began identifying themselves as such, the sport would embrace them. In a day of concussions, bounties and bullying, football could use such a transformative moment.


    I think "male bonding" is a essential in any job or occupation but especially in teams or group settings like football. I dont think the NFL promotes gay behavior if your saying that cause your around men all the time that it makes you more likely to have gay feelings or fanatasises I think thats a bit of a overstatement. I played football in high school for 4 years and ya there were hot guys on my team but they were more like family and brothers.Then hot fuck buddy team mates I think you have to have that playfulness that macho manliness that competition as a team in order to win ya you make friends but I was closeted on my team and never had the courage to come out to my teamates so I played it off I never tried anything with the guys on my team but we grew as a team you see big guys cry after injury,the thrill of winning and the hurt of losing if hugging makes you gay thats just silly its called male bonding. Only thing that was gay was when coaches would slap you on the butt and said good job after you did well on a play. but I didnt have team showers or locker room orgies though looking back I wish I did ..I dont think the NFL is mature enough to accept a openly gay player on the field maybe but not in the behind the scenes in the locker room or the places the public doesnt see it comes down to education and culture. Were getting there but not there yet...
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    Feb 15, 2014 9:17 PM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidThe NFL used to be a little more homoerotic when players used to spank each other on their tight asses. Football is still very homoerotic but than so is wrestling, water polo, and swimming.


    In order for football to be homoerotic, don't you need two balls?
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    Feb 16, 2014 2:19 AM GMT
    It is the regressive old American notion of homosexuality as something mysterious, alien and predatory. What were these big, strong football players so afraid of? Partly, they were work-obsessed people who never interacted with openly gay colleagues on the job. But it also cut to the cultural essence of the game.
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    Feb 16, 2014 2:24 AM GMT
    Why are you talking about football?

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    Feb 16, 2014 2:39 AM GMT
    ^^ You are such a bully! Giggles!
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    Am talking about David3000.
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    woodsmen saidAm talking about David3000.


    Duh
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    Kuestion said
    woodsmen saidAm talking about David3000.


    Duh


    just saying. how could i tell? dude did the whole ^^^ under my post.


    You are anything but a bully.
  • jo2hotbod

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    Feb 16, 2014 3:01 AM GMT
    WTF, the players do it for the money and because football is all they know.
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    Feb 16, 2014 7:13 AM GMT
    You guys are so baaad!
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    Feb 16, 2014 7:23 AM GMT
    ^ The article referenced above as the basis for this thread was written by Nicholas Dawidoff who is the author, most recently, of “Collision Low Crossers: A Year Inside the Turbulent World of NFL Football.” The Jets football team gave him complete access to them during the 2011 football season for his book and article referenced above. The homoeroticism is his personal observations based on his experiences.

    According to Wikipedia, Nicholas Dawidoff (born November 30, 1962) is an American writer. Dawidoff was born in New York City, and grew up in New Haven, Connecticut with his mother and sister. He graduated from the Hopkins School and attended Harvard University, graduating magna cum laude in 1985 with a degree in history and literature. He moved back to New York to pursue a career as a writer and began working at Sports Illustrated, where he became a staff writer covering baseball and the environment.

    Baseball, a lifelong passion of his (Dawidoff played until a knee injury sophomore year at Harvard), is a frequent subject of his writing.

    PS. kiwiLifter, you have so much hatred in you.
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    Feb 16, 2014 10:28 AM GMT
    woodsmen saidFootball is a dangerous sport run as a ruthless business. More than ever, on any given Sunday, any team can win. Annual roster turnover is drastic: N.F.L., the players say — Not For Long. And yet every coach who wants to succeed in such a competitive business needs to build a sense of team purpose, to encourage players to subordinate themselves to the mutual endeavor. It works because, as is true in the military, the players feel a primary commitment and personal devotion to their leaders and peers.

    Other major sports have frequent games; an N.F.L. team’s entire regular-season playing time is 16 hours long. Most of the football existence is men sitting around in small meeting rooms. To encourage the immersion, the facility provides all the comforts of home; meals are cooked, your car is washed. It really is intimate. Players and coaches spoke often of their deep affection for one other. Many players came from single-parent families, and to some of them, football’s chief attraction was that it provided surrogates: “Football is my father,” one player told me. What retired players and coaches say they miss most is not the playing, but the camaraderie — having all those loving men around every day. During training camp there are bumper-sticker pranks carried out in the parking lot during which players’ vehicles were adorned with messages like “I Stop for Gay Bars.” When the coaches evaluated practice or game film, if they saw something objectionable, they might dismiss it as “gay porn.”

    Love was a word used frequently in regard to teammates and coaches. The very nature of football, focused as it is on strength, virility, grace and manly bonding, has an obvious homoerotic component for those who play and for those who watch. Part of the reason homosexuality is anathema in football, the reason gay players hide their sexual identity and fear rumors will keep them from getting drafted, is the worry that the affection could go too far and force the rest of the team to confront something uncomfortable in their bonds.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/15/opinion/footballs-loving-culture.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=0


    People are analyzing this waaaaaay too deeply.
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    Feb 16, 2014 3:19 PM GMT
    Any sport with a tight end and a wide receiver is homoerotic.

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    through the uprights! he scores!
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    Feb 16, 2014 7:20 PM GMT
    These names such as wide receiver, tight end, are too suggestive!
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    Apr 05, 2014 8:23 PM GMT
    When I played and it was somebodys birthday they had to go through the spank wagon. Everybody would stand in a line with their legs spread wide apart and the guy whose birthday it was had to crawl in between everybodys legs while everyone spanked him.
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    Apr 05, 2014 8:31 PM GMT
    I was a lineman in high school. And the ''brotherhood of love'' is kind of true. Grant it some guys on the team were dicks. And we would scrap and get into physical fights. Football and sports in general are interesting too me of how people come together.

    I was from a very poor background. And played with guys who had rich parents, were foreigners, In foster homes, who were poor like me, who had different religious backgrounds etc. And somehow we all banded together and were a brotherhood. It kept a lot of off the streets, from getting into fights, and to love people with different backgrounds. Football gets a bad rep as a ''homophobic'' sport. But, it does really bring young men together. In a pretty positive way... and sometimes negative.

    I'm on a football team currently in Los Angeles. And i recently came out of the closet a year and a half ago to everyone including my team. They love and accept me for that. I have high hopes this generation with sports will get less homophobic. A lot of football players have come out as gay. And just like when we had to play with people who were poor, rich, different ethnicity, different religions, or no religion at all. I think that sexual orientation is another one. The guys on my team actually became pretty supportive of gay rights after i came out. It didn't like immediately start icon_lol.gif but i did see a change icon_cool.gif
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    Apr 05, 2014 8:32 PM GMT
    Yes, very erotic. David3000 would love this icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 05, 2014 8:35 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    roadbikeRob saidThe NFL used to be a little more homoerotic when players used to spank each other on their tight asses. Football is still very homoerotic but than so is wrestling, water polo, and swimming.


    I wanna spank some tight heiny! Oh please, please PLEEEEEEEAAASSE?!?
    I would love to spank your bubbly, muscular heinyicon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif