Venezuela is in crisis!!

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    Feb 17, 2014 4:16 AM GMT
    This video explains in simple words whats happening in my country.. Too bad Were going through this, but we want freedom


    I promise I will bring up with more information to state the facts

    SOURCE: http://www.eluniversal.com/english/
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    Feb 17, 2014 4:21 AM GMT
    I'm sorry and I feel for you. That's so scary and mind blowing since Trinidad is like 15 minutes away and I didn't know it was this bad. "Nothing worth anything ever goes down easy".
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    Feb 17, 2014 4:24 AM GMT


    My word. icon_sad.gificon_sad.gificon_sad.gificon_sad.gif
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    Feb 17, 2014 4:28 AM GMT
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    Feb 17, 2014 4:32 AM GMT
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    I started to cry watching that. People are soo cruel, authority dehumanises people.

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    Feb 17, 2014 4:33 AM GMT
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    icon_smile.gif Thank you guys.. Since media in my country is not allowed to spread the news, we have to use the network
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    Feb 17, 2014 5:53 AM GMT
    Sad to watch, but I admire the people who stand up for their freedom.
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    Feb 17, 2014 6:24 AM GMT
    Go Venezuela! Fuck Maduro! You have to take him down ASAP
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    Feb 17, 2014 11:17 AM GMT
    kiwiLifter saidHere's the truth that Marco_Polo doesn't want us to know about US govt and Big Oil assaults on democracy in Venezuela like in the rest of the Americas:

    "On April 11, 2002, President Chavez was kidnapped at gunpoint and flown to an island prison in the Caribbean Sea. On April 12, Pedro Carmona, a business partner of the US oil companies and president of the nation's Chamber of Commerce, declared himself President of Venezuela – giving a whole new meaning to the term, "corporate takeover".

    U.S. Ambassador Charles Shapiro immediately rushed down from his hilltop embassy to have his picture taken grinning with the self-proclaimed "President" and the leaders of the coup d'état.

    Bush's White House spokesman admitted that Chavez was, "democratically elected," but, he added, "Legitimacy is something that is conferred not by just the majority of voters."I see."

    Chavez had provoked the coup not just by clawing back some of the bloated royalties of the oil companies. It's what he did with that oil money that drove Venezuela's One Percent to violence.

    In Caracas, I ran into the reporter for a TV station whose owner is generally credited with plotting the coup against the president.


    http://www.gregpalast.com/vaya-con-dios-hugo-chavez-mi-amigo/

    Again and again we see with the USA, "we bring you democracy but only if you vote for our puppet otherwise we will bomb your hospitals and schools - but we aren't terrorists!".


    Im sorry to tell you this bud, but I live in Caracas and I was born in Maracaibo. I hadnt had any education outside of my country, and havent even been able to move abroad. Im an engineer and also come from a medium / average social class. Im venezuelan and living through this process of change in my country. Im PARTICIPATING in those protests. Im not a mom's boy, Im an independent man living by his own

    That answers your question about my background?
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    Feb 17, 2014 11:59 AM GMT
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    Reuters said:http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/13/us-venezuela-protests-idUSBREA1B1K220140213

    A Venezuelan court ordered the arrest on Thursday of opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez on charges including murder and terrorism linked to street protests that resulted in the deaths of three people the day before.

    Using a slogan "The Exit", the U.S.-educated Lopez has for two weeks helped organize sporadic demonstrations around the country to denounce President Nicolas Maduro for failing to control inflation, crime and product shortages.

    The president accuses him of sowing violence to try to stage a coup similar to the one 12 years ago that briefly ousted late socialist leader Hugo Chavez, though there is little indication that the protests could topple Maduro.

    "Without a doubt, the violence was created by small groups coordinated, exalted and financed by Leopoldo Lopez," said Jorge Rodriguez, a leader of the ruling Socialist Party and mayor of the Caracas area where Wednesday's biggest marches took place.

    Shortly before a Caracas court upheld a request from the Public Prosecutor's Office to order Lopez's arrest, the opposition leader blamed armed government supporters for firing on peaceful protesters.

    "The government is playing the violence card, and not for the first time. They're blaming me without any proof ... I have a clear conscience because we called for peace," Lopez told Reuters.

    "We won't retreat and we can't retreat because this is about our future, about our children, about millions of people."

    On Thursday, Lopez was with his lawyers at his home in the same wealthy eastern district of Chacao where he was once mayor, his Popular Will political party said. Police briefly visited the party's headquarters, witnesses said, but then departed.

    "NO MORE BLOOD"

    With many Caracas residents staying at home on Thursday, there were sporadic student protests around the city. Some students blocked streets and burned tires.

    "We want solutions to problems, not endless confrontation and violence," said student Manuel Armas, 19, outside the Alejandro Humboldt University, where around 200 protesters waved banners saying "No More Blood".

    Students were also in the streets in western Andean regions, where there have been violent clashes in recent days.

    Coming almost a year after the death of Chavez, the unrest has been the latest demonstration of the OPEC nation's polarization and the mutual mistrust between both political camps.

    Wednesday's fatalities included two students and a community activist from a militantly pro-government neighborhood in the poor west end of Caracas.

    Each side blamed the other in often virulent exchanges via Twitter, the country's preferred social network.

    Scores of government supporters gathered on Thursday outside the ransacked Public Prosecutor's Office building, chanting pro-Maduro slogans and denouncing "fascist violence."

    Venezuela's global bonds, which fluctuate sharply on political tension and news of unrest, were down as much as 3 percent on Thursday.

    Maduro, a 51-year-old former bus driver and union activist who has staked his presidency on maintaining Chavez's leftist legacy, said further protests would not be allowed.

    "They want to topple the government through violence," he said. "We will not permit any more attacks."

    SCORES ARRESTED

    Some 66 people were injured, 70 arrested, some police vehicles torched and government offices vandalized on Wednesday, officials said. Some protesters, many with their faces covered, threw stones and started fires in the streets.

    Lopez's party said there were "hundreds of arrests and disappearances", and vowed that demonstrations would continue.

    Bolivia, Cuba and Argentina, three of Venezuela's fellow leftist political allies in the region, sent messages of solidarity to Maduro's government.

    "Cuba condemns the coup intentions against the constitutional government ... organized by fascist groups," the statement from Havana read.

    The protests have exposed differences within Venezuela's opposition leadership, with some favoring a more moderate approach and saying marches that turn violent only play into the government's hands as it then accuses them of being "saboteurs."

    The opposition blames armed pro-government militant groups known as "colectivos" for attacking dozens of their marches over the years, scattering their supporters and spreading fear.

    "The colectivos are coming!" was a cry heard several times at the opposition's latest rally on Wednesday, prompting some demonstrators to flee for the safety of a nearby Metro station.

    One of the dead was a well-known colectivo leader from the militantly "Chavista" January 23 neighborhood of Caracas.

    Sporadic political protests have become common over the last decade, but they usually fizzle out within days as residents grow tired of blocked streets and the smell of burning tires.

    Wednesday's outburst of violence did point to a widening rift between opposition hardliners and those who favor returning to addressing bread-and-butter issues such as poor services, widespread corruption and one of the world's worst murder rates.

    Opposition moderates note that their biggest successes, such as turning pro-Chavez strongholds into opposition territory, have resulted from leaders stepping away from theatrical street protests to focus on voters' daily concerns.
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    Feb 17, 2014 2:04 PM GMT
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    MikeW saidEmbedding youtube videos is as easy as copying and pasting:

    I started to cry watching that. People are soo cruel, authority dehumanises people.

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    that's actually pretty deep. icon_surprised.gif
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    Feb 17, 2014 2:05 PM GMT
    Also @marco_polo stay safe.
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    Feb 17, 2014 10:09 PM GMT


    kiwi, you're just plain mean. Give the guy a break. Yeesh.
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    Feb 17, 2014 10:16 PM GMT
    Does this affect me getting coffee at starbucks in the morning? photo connie_1.gif
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    Feb 17, 2014 10:29 PM GMT
    kiwiLifter said
    meninlove said

    kiwi, you're just plain mean. Give the guy a break. Yeesh.


    He is fighting for the overthrow of Venezuelan democracy. If he was in my country trying to do that I would be out on the streets myself defending it against him.

    Do you not believe in democracy otherwise why would you support an antidemocratic movement like his?

    Amazing you squeal to high heaven about your supposed "gay marriage rights" and then turn around and support an antidemocratic movement that attempted the overthrow of Chavez with US government and Big Oil connivance.

    It is little more than neo imperialism and old skool class warfare.




    Rather than attacking this guy whose heart is clearly breaking over the turmoil in his country, why don't you go and be hateful in the topic I posted the link for you yesterday? Here, again: http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/2767054
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    Feb 17, 2014 10:31 PM GMT
    As always Kiwi making a full display of IGNORANCE.
    A guy from Venezuela is explaining the situation and the stupid fuck questions the veracity. What a tool.

    In Venezuela like in the rest of the world the mestizo-blacks have the lowest income-education, that's true. Now, that's the exact reason the goverment keeps them down since the Chavez days, brainwashed. They don't have enough tools to defend themselves or have a critical view. Now more than the HALF of Venezuela who voted for Capril (and lost because Chavez election was nothing but corruption) are against all this repression and insecurity in the country - which is out of control. These were pacific marches yet Maduro acted against with extreme repression and violence.

    People from Venezuela should get nothing but support from everyone and every country, they're standing up for their rights and freedom against that corrupt fuck Maduro and his dictatorship.
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    Feb 17, 2014 10:39 PM GMT


    kiwi, HOW you say something is as important, and sometimes MORE important, than what you have to say.

    Now go that other topic, where they are gleefully glad that the gov't is in trouble. Picking on this guy makes you publicly look like an ass.
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    Feb 17, 2014 10:42 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    kiwi, HOW you say something is as important, and sometimes MORE important, than what you have to say.

    Now go that other topic, where they are gleefully glad that the gov't is in trouble. Picking on this guy makes you publicly look like an ass.

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    Feb 17, 2014 10:50 PM GMT
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    meninlove said

    kiwi, HOW you say something is as important, and sometimes MORE important, than what you have to say.

    Now go that other topic, where they are gleefully glad that the gov't is in trouble. Picking on this guy makes you publicly look like an ass.


    He posted an antidemocratic propaganda video, I am challenging it.

    The argument can continue here in this thread that he initiated not one that suits your agenda.



    The only agenda I have right here right now is compassion for a guy that's hurting. You might consider being polite and considerate in making your points, and I remain curious as to why you're avoiding the topic I gave you the link to.
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    Feb 17, 2014 10:52 PM GMT
    KiwiLifter Fake account piece of trash. Forget about the video, that's what's going on in Venezuela right now. Maduro took control of all media, even Twitter, that's a fact. Internet is the only resource they have to contact the rest of the world, MarcoPolo posts this here for everyone to see and you attack him with some nonsense bullshit? You're not right in the head.
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    Feb 17, 2014 10:58 PM GMT
    David3000 saidAs always Kiwi making a full display of IGNORANCE.
    A guy from Venezuela is explaining the situation and the stupid fuck questions the veracity. What a tool.

    In Venezuela like in the rest of the world the mestizo-blacks have the lowest income-education, that's true. Now, that's the exact reason the goverment keeps them down since the Chavez days, brainwashed. They don't have enough tools to defend themselves or have a critical view. Now more than the HALF of Venezuela who voted for Capril (and lost because Chavez election was nothing but corruption) are against all this repression and insecurity in the country - which is out of control. These were pacific marches yet Maduro acted against with extreme repression and violence.

    People from Venezuela should get nothing but support from everyone and every country, they're standing up for their rights and freedom against that corrupt fuck Maduro and his dictatorship.

    Just let him babble on. He is a non-Latino that thinks he knows more about Venezuela than a native to Venezuela. That should be evidence enough that there is no cure for stupid.

    To the OP: I saw the video last night. Between this and what's happening in the Ukraine my heart is breaking.
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    Feb 17, 2014 11:01 PM GMT
    The only good thing, is that one day, these same students will be the ones in charge of the country.

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    Feb 17, 2014 11:04 PM GMT
    kiwiLifter said
    meninlove said

    The only agenda I have right here right now is compassion for a guy that's hurting. You might consider being polite and considerate in making your points, and I remain curious as to why you're avoiding the topic I gave you the link to.


    He is not being considerate or polite in posting propaganda on here.

    If you want to discuss the video in this thread and its subject please do so here as I am doing.

    If you think this is unacceptable you may wish to contact the moderator.





    You're afraid of the people in that other thread, aren't you?
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    Feb 17, 2014 11:20 PM GMT
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    meninlove said
    You're afraid of the people in that other thread, aren't you?

    I love the one who confesses that the non whites are the ones supporting the current regime but they do so because they are all ignorant and uneducated unlike the wealthy white ones who know what is best for them. icon_rolleyes.gif


    This particular situation is not about race or oil, you clown. It's not news that uneducated societies are easy to control by nasty governments that want to keep them down. Good for Venezuela the majority of its population is still awake and ready to fight for their freedom and to stand up against this dictatorship. They deserve everyone's admiration and support.

    You keep missing the point and pestering this thread with your useless and ignorant replies. Go take a walk or something.
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    Feb 18, 2014 12:08 AM GMT
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    Im sorry to tell you this bud, but I live in Caracas and I was born in Maracaibo. I hadnt had any education outside of my country, and havent even been able to move abroad. Im an engineer and also come from a medium / average social class. Im venezuelan and living through this process of change in my country. Im PARTICIPATING in those protests. Im not a mom's boy, Im an independent man living by his own

    That answers your question about my background?


    Not really, but you must be middle class to have obtained a degree.

    You haven't addressed the issue of your ethnicity - you look light skinned like all the other protesters.

    Because that is the issue in Venezuela isn't it? Dirt poor and dark skinned majority vs wealthy and light skinned minority.

    The rich are parasites who lived off the oppression of the poor for generations until they got their butts kicked by Chavez.

    The rich are trying to seize power again with US collusion - the US helps you overthrow democracy and the pay off is cheap deals for US Big Oil, while the brown Venezuelans get shoved back into poverty.

    It is the private TV stations that have played a central role in trying to overthrow democracy in your country - I am amazed that Chavez didn't nationalise them and have the owners shot or thrown in prison for treason.



    I want YOU to see how we take Maduro down. You dont own this land, and this is not your fight