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    Feb 18, 2014 5:25 PM GMT
    How do you like it? Visiting next week but thinking of a permanent move. What's the scene like?
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    Feb 18, 2014 11:57 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidWell I can't tell you what "the scene is like" (I'm too old and square for that!), but having myself moved to Miami from NYC (which is where your profile says you are from), I would make the following observations:

    1) In many ways, downtown Miami and especially Miami Beach, is like living in Manhattan. If you don't want to have a car or drive much, then you will do fine. Many things are within walking distance and there's a fairly good bus system.

    2) Miami (including Miami Beach) is a BIG place. If you are comfortable living in NYC with the "hustle and bustle" you will find that down here it isn't some quite, small town place.

    3) Contrary to the myth, it really isn't that much hotter here in the Summer than it is up in NYC. Many times it is actually hotter up THERE than it is here. The difference being that our "Summer" can go from March into November!

    4) It's flat. Very flat here. If you get freaked out by not seeing hills, then this is not the place for you.

    5) It's less expensive to live here than in NYC (especially Manhattan).

    6) We have NO STATE INCOME TAX here in Florida. Quite a nice change from NY which has a very high income tax.

    7) This is a multi-cultural area. However, if you go across the county line, out of Miami-Dade county, you will find things not so multi-cultural at all.

    How's that for starters? icon_razz.gif


    Thanks for the informative post. I will not be driving so things in a walking distance is a big plus
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    Feb 19, 2014 12:38 AM GMT
    Jmusmc85 lives there.

    And CSI Miami.

    Thus, it is awesome.
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    Feb 19, 2014 12:46 AM GMT
    Incendiary saidJmusmc85 lives there.

    And CSI Miami.

    Thus, it is awesome.


    Both are kinda awful.

    Okay one out of two isn't bad! icon_lol.gif
  • RaggedyMan

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    Feb 19, 2014 5:48 AM GMT
    ill be in miami at the end of march so ill have a better understanding
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    Feb 19, 2014 7:36 AM GMT
    I'll be going to Miami in the last week of May. So stoked!
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    Feb 19, 2014 7:40 AM GMT
    Be prepared for everyone being fake and/or compulsive liars though :-/
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    Feb 19, 2014 2:20 PM GMT
    miamit89 saidBe prepared for everyone being fake and/or compulsive liars though :-/


    It sounds like you're listening or hanging out with the wrong people, there is a subculture in every city on the planet like that.

    But yeah, Miami is an amazing city, very vibrant and so much to do. Very similar to any major city and if you don't like hustle and bustle you won't like Miami or probably any big city.
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    Feb 19, 2014 4:15 PM GMT
    Depending on your skill set and where exactly in Miami you settle it could be tough finding work if you're not bilingual. The good thing about South Beach is that, like Manhattan, you don't need a car; there's public transport to the key areas you'd want to visit.

    Apartment rents are equivalent to Manhattan rents 25 years ago - entry level for a decent studio is $800/mo, and one bedrooms $1,200 - some, surprisingly, with amenities and bay views.

    Like anywhere else, people who move to Miami from elsewhere either love it or are disappointed - Miami's an extension of New York, but it's no New York. Bay and ocean areas are nice, mid-island is sketchy, and the desirable suburban areas with the Miami "feel" like Coconut Grove, Coral Gables and Pinecrest are expensive.
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    Feb 19, 2014 4:21 PM GMT
    As a Miami native "CSI Miami" drives me to distraction. Yes, the helicopter overhead shots are Miami but the rest must be filmed in San Diego since Miami doesn't have exclusively sable palms (so Tampa), parched brown hills, gray seawater and sunsets over the ocean.
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    Feb 19, 2014 4:34 PM GMT
    Romero23 saidHow do you like it? Visiting next week but thinking of a permanent move. What's the scene like?

    What do you intend to do here? Work? Attend school? Take your chances? Your personal goals can help to define the location that's best for you, and that's true everywhere.

    As I've mentioned before, Miami and the City of Miami Beach are 2 different places. Google map to see. One's on the ocean and very touristy, the other more a big city downtown of businesses & skyscrapers, with Spanish nearly the second language, especially in nearby residential areas. You'll likely find Miami Beach (and it's subdivision of South Beach) to be more pedestrian friendly. But then you'll be out on what is essentially a narrow island.

    As for the gay community, it's largely moved away from Miami Beach, though it's still mostly friendly there. Now it's centered in Fort Lauderdale, Wilton Manors, and Oakland Park (again, map them).

    They're about 35 drive miles to the north, but if you only need that scene a few times a year it won't be a problem. If you want to be a regular club boi you might consider locating up there instead. Fort Lauderdale has good beaches, too, including a very gay one, Sebastian, though not offering the Art Deco beachfront hotel row of South Beach.
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    Feb 19, 2014 7:19 PM GMT
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    Romero23 saidHow do you like it? Visiting next week but thinking of a permanent move. What's the scene like?

    What do you intend to do here? Work? Attend school? Take your chances? Your personal goals can help to define the location that's best for you, and that's true everywhere.

    As I've mentioned before, Miami and the City of Miami Beach are 2 different places. Google map to see. One's on the ocean and very touristy, the other more a big city downtown of businesses & skyscrapers, with Spanish nearly the second language, especially in nearby residential areas. You'll likely find Miami Beach (and it's subdivision of South Beach) to be more pedestrian friendly. But then you'll be out on what is essentially a narrow island.

    As for the gay community, it's largely moved away from Miami Beach, though it's still mostly friendly there. Now it's centered in Fort Lauderdale, Wilton Manors, and Oakland Park (again, map them).

    They're about 35 drive miles to the north, but if you only need that scene a few times a year it won't be a problem. If you want to be a regular club boi you might consider locating up there instead. Fort Lauderdale has good beaches, too, including a very gay one, Sebastian, though not offering the Art Deco beachfront hotel row of South Beach.


    I'm a massuer and travel alot for work. So if I make the move I'd be based out of there instead of New York. Not really into clubs although everyone raves about my Miami's. I'd most likely stay on south beach.
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    Feb 21, 2014 12:30 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Romero23 said

    I'm a massuer and travel alot for work. So if I make the move I'd be based out of there instead of New York. Not really into clubs although everyone raves about my Miami's. I'd most likely stay on south beach.


    Skip South Beach. Instead, look at the 2 other areas of town: Mid Beach and North Beach. Rents are less and you get more for your rental money. There is a very nice beach walk that pretty much goes the length of Miami Beach along the ocean, so if you have a bike, you can get from all the way up at North Beach to South Beach in like 15 minutes. There's also good bus service all up and down Miami Beach.



    I concur - recommend the emerging Arte City around 21st STreet. I have had my eye on that neighborhood for 15 years. Always liked the solitude yet proximity to Lincoln Road and SB proper. Arte City - Enjoy!
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    Feb 21, 2014 1:36 AM GMT
    FYI at 23rd or so that walk along beach turns into a raised boardwalk with no bike riding allowed to the north. Bike riding allowed from there south to sobe.

    With a theater-industry friend we used to walk in and get front row seats at Jackie Gleason Theater back in my 30s and I was at a party once at that hexagon bldg., beautiful apartment, across from the convention center and I've spent a lot of time at the Bass over the years so I also like that area of town.

    In fact, there used to be a pretty good gay complex I think right over by the beach across from Bass. Holy shit I think I just busted a brain cell. Yes, I had a lot of fun there. That probably closed down by the mid 90s. I forget what it was called.

    But anyway, looking at craigslist it doesn't seem any less costly to rent there now than in sobe proper where there are more studios for less money. Looks like you could get away with around 11-1400/month to live near Flamingo Park with the pool there, easy access to the beach, Washington and not a bad walk up to Lincoln. Parking's a bitch though.
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    Feb 21, 2014 1:50 AM GMT
    Incendiary saidJmusmc85 lives there.

    And CSI Miami.

    Thus, it is awesome.
    Who cares about Jmusmc85icon_question.gif Don't even mention that despicable lowlife. This guy is seriously considering a move to Miami. Don't scare the guy away from Miami. There are several other realjock members who live in Miami and its suburbs, visit their profiles, introduce yourself and ask them what it is like to live in Miami.
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    Feb 21, 2014 1:51 AM GMT
    If you enjoy professional sports.....you had better be a huge fan of the NBA. The Heat rule, and likely will for a while yet.

    The Dolphins and in some respects the Marlins, are not as bad as advertised. The Fins had a better year in 2013, but still have a way to go. If you want to take in a baseball game, you'll have plenty of good seating opportunities to see the Marlins! A parking place should be cake to find....only 8 people show up so.....And the Panthers are up the road in Sunrise, so if the hockey game is a blowout, the outlet mall, Sawgrass Mills, isn't far.....
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    Feb 21, 2014 2:44 AM GMT
    theantijock said...In fact, there used to be a pretty good gay complex I think right over by the beach across from Bass. Holy shit I think I just busted a brain cell. Yes, I had a lot of fun there. That probably closed down by the mid 90s. I forget what it was called...


    Fucking internets. Amazing. I found it....

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2206&dat=19850627&id=nqAmAAAAIBAJ&sjid=nQEGAAAAIBAJ&pg=6556,2471740
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    Feb 22, 2014 12:05 PM GMT
    theantijock said
    theantijock said...In fact, there used to be a pretty good gay complex I think right over by the beach across from Bass. Holy shit I think I just busted a brain cell. Yes, I had a lot of fun there. That probably closed down by the mid 90s. I forget what it was called...


    Fucking internets. Amazing. I found it....

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2206&dat=19850627&id=nqAmAAAAIBAJ&sjid=nQEGAAAAIBAJ&pg=6556,2471740
    SEAGULL_zps1dbd06d9.gif



    Wow - June 27, 1985 edition. A harbinger of what was to come with the renovation of Miami Beach. Did that become the Days Inn I believe for the longest time and then just a couple years ago revert to the Sea Gull name again? I would imagine they were too far ahead of the times and too far north at the time with the concept. I used to stay around this area and my first couple vacas in Miami Beach overnight I stayed peak season at the old Townhouse at 20th for $59 a night! This was 1997 & 1998 - in fact it was supposed to join the Travelodge chain as I saw a sign in the basement area and questioned the owner. It was supposed to happen later in 1998 but it instead sold into the gentrification movement and became the Townhouse it is today.
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    Feb 22, 2014 4:50 PM GMT
    Yeah, that probably was early in the gentrification of sobe. The elderly Jewish population earlier moved there to retire on the cheap were dying off so there was a lot of deterioration by then. And moving in from the 70s/80s were both Haitians, often back then floating up dead on the shores of south Florida--that was horrible, our daily dose of dead Haitians and bales of pot floating onto shore; that was so weird--and of course there was then a huge influx of Cuban refugees, the Mariel boat lift, all the rafts and people smuggling. That was pretty weird too.

    So then you had a large population there with even less money than had the retirees. So of course it became the perfect dump for the gays fix up. We had a few bars, the Cameo Theater, later we got the News Café, str8 but great, one of my favorite spots for years. Throughout the 90s/00s they'd automatically bring my wolfpuppy his own container of water whenever we sat there. Lincoln Road hadn't yet been revitalized.

    At about that time too in Lauderdale gays were moving into downtown by the river with Jonny's and we had Backstreets until that turned too str8. And at that time we also had a popular bar up in Boca, probably the only one that ever truly succeeded up there. Wilton was still a few years away. It was a pretty exciting time to be gay in south Florida. We had a lot of venues to interact, no texting, lots of socializing. We had less rights than today but in some ways it seems to me in hindsight that we had more freedom.

    As to Sea Gull, I do remember it going back str8 but I don't recall what it became, we were probably cranking up Wilton by then.
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    Feb 23, 2014 1:15 PM GMT
    From the article, the 21st and the Beach it had to be the former Days Inn. When I first visited MB in 1995 it was a Days Inn and the Holiday Inn (demoed and then constructed completely new the W Hotel) was across the parking lot and little beachside park there. So my first visit 10 years later by then it was a Days Inn. My first visit I also experienced the nocturnal activities in this area in the beachside vegetation. A few years ago the Days Inn reverted to the original name, the Sea Gull.
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    Feb 23, 2014 1:18 PM GMT
    OH and here's the link to the area now known as Arte City Miami Beach, Florida: http://artecitymiami.com/floorplans.html
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    Feb 23, 2014 2:47 PM GMT
    Future plans for the Sea Gull Miami Beach: http://archinect.com/people/project/37368975/miami-beach-historical-hotel-renovation/70586765
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    Mar 02, 2014 5:12 PM GMT
    So I'm here..and got damn I'm blown away. Never seen so many hot guys on grindr in my life smh lol. And people seem much cooler and nice than in ny. Beautiful perfect weather right now..so relaxing.
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    Mar 03, 2014 1:00 AM GMT
    Romero23 saidSo I'm here..and got damn I'm blown away. Never seen so many hot guys on grindr in my life smh lol. And people seem much cooler and nice than in ny. Beautiful perfect weather right now..so relaxing.


    So are you going to stay?
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    Mar 03, 2014 7:29 PM GMT
    Atleast a month