I nominated SouthBeach again...

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    Feb 20, 2014 2:46 PM GMT

    ....so I posted this here so some of his friends in politics would know he's in the running for MOTD and give him a vote.

    Yeah, shameless plug; so sue me. icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 20, 2014 5:42 PM GMT
    And BUMP.
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    Feb 20, 2014 6:52 PM GMT
    Oh. For a moment I thought there was a new "Asshat of the Day" pagent.
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    Feb 20, 2014 7:51 PM GMT
    I feel like SB gained a lot of sympathy after he posted that he found my home address and then faked being banned. Honestly, that was one of the creepier experiences I've had on RJ. It was the only time I ever sent a letter to admin, though I never got a response. The fact that most people seemed to sympathize with SB only added insult to injury.

    This ordeal has definitely tainted my view of many of the members here, particularly MIL. I confided to them in a PM that SB was harassing me, and they have turned out to be his cheerleaders. (They also dropped me from their buddy list, which is pretty sad.) Admin has also shown that he's unconcerned with certain members being targeted. I even feel that members have blamed me for not being more anonymous. I guess I should put a bag over my head and not speak, if I want to be treated equally???

    I'm sure my detractors will have a field day over this post, which is all the more reason I've been spending less time on RJ lately. The whole thing has just been very disheartening.
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    Feb 20, 2014 7:51 PM GMT
    YourName2000 saidIf I was verified, I'd vote! icon_wink.gif

    If I lost my senses I'd vote, too. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 20, 2014 7:59 PM GMT
    GAMRican saidOh. For a moment I thought there was a new "Asshat of the Day" pagent.


    Seriously, you're easily one of the worst around here for exactly what many of us are trying real hard to get stopped. Would you just mind for a while ... play along and be nice?
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    Feb 20, 2014 8:07 PM GMT
    HottJoe saidI feel like SB gained a lot of sympathy after he posted that he found my home address and then faked being banned. Honestly, that was one of the creepier experiences I've had on RJ. It was the only time I ever sent a letter to admin, though I never got a response. The fact that most people seemed to sympathize with SB only added insult to injury.

    This ordeal has definitely tainted my view of many of the members here, particularly MIL. I confided to them in a PM that SB was harassing me, and they have turned out to be his cheerleaders. (They also dropped me from their buddy list, which is pretty sad.) Admin has also shown that he's unconcerned with certain members being targeted. I even feel that members have blamed me for not being more anonymous. I guess I should put a bag over my head and not speak, if I want to be treated equally???

    I'm sure my detractors will have a field day over this post, which is all the more reason I've been spending less time on RJ lately. The whole thing has just been very disheartening.


    "I even feel that members have blamed me for not being more anonymous."

    Since I'm one of them ....

    I just checked your profile and you know full well what I'm going to say about your video. Real easy to prevent. I almost always watch vids full-screen in youtube so it's kinda hard to miss.

    SB is pretty benign, but one of these days you may run into someone who isn't. So at least fix that. Don't make it THAT easy.
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    Feb 20, 2014 8:29 PM GMT
    No way, he's on ignore and will stay there. I have no desire to vote for a right-winger like that for anything. He goes way overboard (multiple accounts, harassing people) and he shouldn't be patted on the head for it. He can be as civil as he wants to (how long will that last?), I don't have to read his posts or be his friend. Sorry, just being honest.
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    Feb 20, 2014 9:49 PM GMT
    Yourname said,

    "Guys, this isn't "shifting allegiances" or friends "betraying you". A few of us just laid down arms and are trying out a truce."

    and

    "Please don't misread what's going on here. No one is turning against you, some of us are just trying change our own behavior and rewarding that reciprocated change in others."

    THIS.

    Southbeach and I have a loooonnnngggg track history of being at each others throats at times, lol.
    I don't hold grudges; I'm not equipped for that. Never have been.
    I believe everyone deserves second chances, or even thirds.

    I can only go by how a person behaves now, and if they have a change of heart and behaviour, then I'll go by that.

    HottJoe, I have never betrayed any email conversation we've had, and know how to keep a confidence. I actually un buddied you quite a long time ago over comments you made about me being a bigot and a racist; neither of which are true, as many here know.

    Personally if anyone here doesn't like SouthBeach, that's fine. I'm not here to make others like him, just letting others here that do like him know that I have been nominating him because he is showing me and some others a very nice part of himself I am thrilled to discover.




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    Feb 20, 2014 10:07 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    ....so I posted this here so some of his friends in politics would know he's in the running for MOTD and give him a vote.

    Yeah, shameless plug; so sue me. icon_lol.gif


    What the hell's wrong with you? So you're nominating the most hated, vile member on the entire site for MOTD? It's one thing to try to get along with everyone, but it's just plain stupid to honor someone who harasses other members 24 hours a day. Not to mention being adamantly anti-gay. I think you've finally lost your last marble.
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    Feb 20, 2014 10:09 PM GMT
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    Southbeach and I have a loooonnnngggg track history of being at each others throats at times, lol.
    I don't hold grudges; I'm not equipped for that. Never have been.
    I believe everyone deserves second chances, or even thirds.

    I can only go by how a person behaves now, and if they have a change of heart and behaviour, then I'll go by that.

    You and others are aware that Aristoshark and I were mortal enemies here for a time. And now we're not, thanks to his initiative.

    We all now go out to dinner regularly, he's been to our place, he went Christmas shopping with me. We love the guy!

    So certainly there is a precedent in my own RJ history for such a change of heart. I even invited southbeach1500 out for cocktails, as you remember, that he snubbed.

    BUT... Aristoshark never breached my personal security online. He never posted my personal information on this site. He never committed acts that may still be criminally prosecutable. He never fabricated lies about me, that guys here still repeat. He didn't encourage others to put me on Ignore, or direct an organized campaign against me using puppets like FIF.

    So are you seriously saying I should forget all that, and embrace him? YOU weren't tangibly injured by him as I was, so maybe you can afford the luxury of forgiveness. I'd like to hear more about your reasoning & justification. And I'd also like to hear from him personally.

    Because I have a track record of being open-minded, open to change. But what you propose seems like madness to me. Please explain further what brought this about, what your reasoning is.

    I really think you're getting duped. I just trust you'll admit it after you see your gullible mistake.
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    Feb 20, 2014 10:11 PM GMT
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    HottJoe saidI feel like SB gained a lot of sympathy after he posted that he found my home address and then faked being banned. Honestly, that was one of the creepier experiences I've had on RJ. It was the only time I ever sent a letter to admin, though I never got a response. The fact that most people seemed to sympathize with SB only added insult to injury.

    This ordeal has definitely tainted my view of many of the members here, particularly MIL. I confided to them in a PM that SB was harassing me, and they have turned out to be his cheerleaders. (They also dropped me from their buddy list, which is pretty sad.) Admin has also shown that he's unconcerned with certain members being targeted. I even feel that members have blamed me for not being more anonymous. I guess I should put a bag over my head and not speak, if I want to be treated equally???

    I'm sure my detractors will have a field day over this post, which is all the more reason I've been spending less time on RJ lately. The whole thing has just been very disheartening.


    Joe, I'm extremely sorry you are feeling disheartened. There's a few things I would like to express to you and I'll do it here so all can see.

    1) In all of our debates we have had here, you've always come from the position of a person who has a good heart. Regardless of your actual position, THAT is a very good quality to have and I hope you never move from that fundamental position. It makes you one of the "good guys" - as opposed to just someone who comes here to vent, argue and pick on "the other guy" because his viewpoint is different.

    2) I've always found you to be a strong debating "partner" - usually presenting a point of view on issues that I did not share, but in doing so, you many times caused me to rethink my position - rethink, but not change. BUT, more importantly, you also very effectively expressed your own opinion and thus, illustrated your point of view to me very well. There's value to that in any discussion forum and you have contributed well to this one in that regard.

    3) Meninlove and Yourname2000 are not "switching sides" at all. They very astutely realize that this is a moment in time where we all have an opportunity to change the way we treat each other here. Both are longtime members of the site (as am I) and have seen this site have its ups and many (MANY!) downs. I think what's happening here is that we are coalescing around the idea that there's been far too much hate and angry behavior here and it's time to try and stop it.

    4) I see FreedomIsntFree has once again given you some good advice about posting your real name here. Since it's not just coming from me this time, I hope you will take the advice since it is coming from someone else. As FreedomIsntFree has stated:

    SB is pretty benign, but one of these days you may run into someone who isn't. So at least fix that. Don't make it THAT easy.

    He and I are just trying to get the message through to you that you need to better protect your identity. Yes, I know you are a published author (and one of note in your genre) and that makes you a public figure. And as such, you need to operate with a bit more regard for safeguarding your identity. That's the point! We're just trying to get you to be a bit more careful about such things.

    5) And finally Joe, I would ask that you not consider me one of your "detractors" - rather, that you join with me, Meninlove, Yourname2000 and FreedomIsntFree and anyone else who will make the effort and help us to show to the other members here that it IS possible to "turn the page" and start anew here, by treating each other with respect and if not kindness, then tolerance. You've seen how Meninlove and I have gone at each other in the past, ditto me and Yourname2000. But look where we are today. It IS possible! I hope you will give it a try too. If you would like to discuss anything privately - off the forums - I would gladly reply to any email you send me here.



    It's fucking disgusting how sickeningly sweet you've suddenly turned to get MOTD. No one with two brain cells is buying this bullshit. You can stick your kumbaya up your ass. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 20, 2014 10:19 PM GMT
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    meninlove said
    ....so I posted this here so some of his friends in politics would know he's in the running for MOTD and give him a vote.

    Yeah, shameless plug; so sue me. icon_lol.gif


    What the hell's wrong with you? So you're nominating the most hated, vile member on the entire site for MOTD? It's one thing to try to get along with everyone, but it's just plain stupid to honor someone who harasses other members 24 hours a day. Not to mention being adamantly anti-gay. I think you've finally lost your last marble.


    Scruffy, I have no problem with you using me as a punching bag; if it makes you feel good, go for it.

    As to your above post, please reread what I posted in its entirety.
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    Feb 20, 2014 10:36 PM GMT
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    ART_DECO saidI really think you're getting duped. I just trust you'll admit it after you see your mistake.

    I for one will never see attempting to make peace "a mistake". If it fails, it fails, but I won't regret trying.

    The only thing either side has to lose is animosity. I just don't see a downside to trying.

    OK, you know I respect you. And of course meninlove, as we all do.

    So much so that I wondered if someone had hijacked their account or something. I still think you're all gonna have egg on your faces shortly.

    But OK, I'll go along with this, because guys I value like you are saying this. I'm taking SB off Ignore and mail block. Maybe SB & I will still have that cocktail I offered him years ago.
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    Feb 20, 2014 10:38 PM GMT
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    ART_DECO saidI really think you're getting duped. I just trust you'll admit it after you see your mistake.

    I for one will never see attempting to make peace "a mistake". If it fails, it fails, but I won't regret trying.

    The only thing either side has to lose is animosity. I just don't see a downside to trying.


    You don't see honoring the biggest trouble maker on this site as a "downside?" If he suddenly found Jesus, let his actions speak for themselves. He was being vile and vicious as always no more than a week ago. Why the urgent need to reward him for this saintly behavior none of us has yet to see?
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    Feb 20, 2014 10:44 PM GMT
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    ART_DECO saidI really think you're getting duped. I just trust you'll admit it after you see your mistake.

    I for one will never see attempting to make peace "a mistake". If it fails, it fails, but I won't regret trying.

    The only thing either side has to lose is animosity. I just don't see a downside to trying.

    You don't see honoring the biggest trouble maker on this site as a "downside?" If he suddenly found Jesus, let his actions speak for themselves. He was being vile and vicious as always no more than a week ago. Why the urgent need to reward him for this saintly behavior none of us has yet to see?

    YourName may have a point. If SB meets your expectations, he will be a pariah here forever, even with the generous-hearted meninlove.

    Personally I'm betting with you. A leopard cannot change his spots. But let's see how this goes. It might be quite entertaining, and educational.
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    Feb 20, 2014 10:50 PM GMT
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    ART_DECO saidI really think you're getting duped. I just trust you'll admit it after you see your mistake.

    I for one will never see attempting to make peace "a mistake". If it fails, it fails, but I won't regret trying.

    The only thing either side has to lose is animosity. I just don't see a downside to trying.


    You don't see honoring the biggest trouble maker on this site as a "downside?" If he suddenly found Jesus, let his actions speak for themselves. He was being vile and vicious as always no more than a week ago. Why the urgent need to reward him for this saintly behavior none of us has yet to see?

    For the nth time, what the hell is wrong with you?
    This site has gotten so toxic that many of our favorite people are inactive or gone altogether, and Southbeach and Yourname2000 have instituted a movement to de-toxify in the hopes that maybe it will make RJ attractive enough to either keep the members we have or regain some older ones.....and this by you is a BAD thing?

    Why don't you and I bury the hatchet while we're at it? I'm willing.
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    Feb 20, 2014 10:51 PM GMT
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    ART_DECO saidI really think you're getting duped. I just trust you'll admit it after you see your mistake.

    I for one will never see attempting to make peace "a mistake". If it fails, it fails, but I won't regret trying.

    The only thing either side has to lose is animosity. I just don't see a downside to trying.

    OK, you know I respect you. And of course meninlove, as we all do.

    So much so that I wondered if someone had hijacked their account or something. I still think you're all gonna have egg on your faces shortly.

    But OK, I'll go along with this, because guys I value like you are saying this. I'm taking SB off Ignore and mail block. Maybe SB & I will still have that cocktail I offered him years ago.


    Thank you Art.


    I'm not trying to make anyone like who they don't like. This was a topic I started in the 'all things gay' by accident this morning, (forgot to use the drop down menu)for those that are Southbeach's friends, as I don't know who they all are. This is also just me acknowledging a powerful thing that SB is doing, and I respect that in anyone.

    I apologize to you if you thought I was being traitorous or anything like that. I value you highly; always have and always will.
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    Feb 20, 2014 10:55 PM GMT
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    Thank you Art_Deco! I honestly didn't think you would turn off the Ignore and mail block and that you would be the last hold out. That's a great step forward and I'm happy that it looks like you and I have a new chance too!

    And I'm replying to your original post, not as someone else's quote, to demonstrate you've been taken off Ignore, as I stated.

    It's a little too soon to be talking about cocktails again, if you're really in the Miami area, but that's not out of the realm of possibility at some future time.

    I'm not as nasty as you might imagine. In the middle of a vicious battle with Aristoshark he posted: Let's stop this.

    I immediately did. And found a great new friend as a result. My husband enjoys his company as much as I do.

    Whether that's our own future I can't say. But I'll leave the option open.
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    Feb 20, 2014 11:04 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    I apologize to you if you thought I was being traitorous or anything like that. I value you highly; always have and always will.

    You could never be traitorous. Mistaken, possibly, as we all can. Sometimes an abundance of goodness becomes gullibility.

    But we'll see, won't we? This should be interesting...
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    Feb 20, 2014 11:05 PM GMT


    *reads all of Art's posts, jaw drops in awe*

    You rock, Sir.
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    Feb 20, 2014 11:10 PM GMT
    Sharkira said
    Why don't you and I bury the hatchet while we're at it? I'm willing.

    OK, now I have no choice but to go along with this regarding SB. If YOU are saying this, then my objections are nullified. I do really listen to the friends here I respect.

    BTW, I missed at first your name change. I've been referring to you by your former SN - sorry. icon_redface.gif
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    Feb 20, 2014 11:14 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    BTW, I missed at first your name change. I've been referring to you by your former SN - sorry. icon_redface.gif

    It's most likely temporary. I'll go back to Aristoshark at some point. Somebody posted a video of the singer Shakira and I read it as "Sharkira" by mistake---and voila.
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    Feb 20, 2014 11:14 PM GMT
    I wasn't suggesting holding grudges or anything, my point was beware that, sometimes, things might not be really be what they appear to be.
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    Feb 20, 2014 11:17 PM GMT
    blkapollo saidI wasn't suggesting holding grudges or anything, my point was beware, as sometimes, things might not be really be what they appear to be.



    Thanks blkapollo, you may have to keep us all in line, lol.