Western Ukraine Declares Independence. Scott Lively - Gays Responsible for Ukraine Crisis

  • metta

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    Feb 20, 2014 6:36 PM GMT
    BBC: Western Ukraine Declares Independence


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/20/1279035/-BBC-Western-Ukraine-Declares-Independence
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    Feb 20, 2014 7:02 PM GMT
    all you need to know about Ukraine


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    Feb 20, 2014 10:56 PM GMT
    Mine is Latvian, going wayyy back. They all moved to Canada more than 150 years ago.
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    Feb 20, 2014 11:25 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    somersault saidall you need to know about Ukraine


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    Yes.

    And that one half of my ancestry is Ukrainian!


    that also means that Russia will NEVER give up control of Ukraine icon_sad.gif
  • PolitiMAC

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    Feb 20, 2014 11:28 PM GMT
    But are they able to support themselves? Or will they collapse? I remember how Sudan split. Still just as bad as before.
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    Feb 20, 2014 11:38 PM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidBut are they able to support themselves? Or will they collapse? I remember how Sudan split. Still just as bad as before.

    These considerations are not something people take into account when declaring independence.
  • metta

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    Feb 20, 2014 11:56 PM GMT
    Today:

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    Ukraine sanctions imposed amid Kiev clashes
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26280710
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 21, 2014 3:09 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidBut are they able to support themselves? Or will they collapse? I remember how Sudan split. Still just as bad as before.
    Both the Ukraine and West Ukraine are nowhere near as pathetically poor and underdeveloped as Sudan and South Sudan. However, it is sad to see Ukraine breaking up like this but when push comes to shove from a dictator like President then you cannot blame the people of West Ukraine from breaking off and forming their own sovereign country.
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    Feb 21, 2014 6:46 AM GMT
    And people thought the LA riots were something...shit.
  • metta

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    Feb 23, 2014 4:26 PM GMT
    Susan Rice: US 'On The Side Of The Ukrainian People'

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rice-us-side-ukrainian-people
  • metta

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    Mar 02, 2014 10:21 PM GMT
    Here's What Is Going To Happen With Ukraine

    http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/03/wee-prediction-about-ukraine

    "Following up on the previous post, if you do want to fret about Ukraine, I have just the thing for you. I'm going to tell you how this will all unfold:

    Vladimir Putin will do something belligerent. (Already done.)
    Republicans will demand that we show strength in the face of Putin's provocation. Whatever it is that we're doing, we should do more.

    President Obama will denounce whatever it is that Putin does. But regardless of how unequivocal his condemnation is, Bill Kristol will insist that he's failing to support the democratic aspirations of the Ukrainian people.

    Journalists will write a variety of thumbsuckers pointing out that our options are extremely limited, what with Ukraine being 5,000 miles away and all.

    John McCain will appear on a bunch of Sunday chat shows to bemoan the fact that Obama is weak and no one fears America anymore.

    Having written all the "options are limited" thumbsuckers, journalists and columnists will follow McCain's lead and start declaring that the crisis in Ukraine is the greatest foreign policy test of Obama's presidency. It will thus supplant Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iran, and North Korea for this honor.

    In spite of all the trees felled and words spoken about this, nobody will have any good ideas about what kind of action might actually make a difference. There will be scattered calls to impose a few sanctions here and there, introduce a ban on Russian vodka imports, convene NATO, demand a UN Security Council vote, etc. None of this will have any material effect.

    Obama will continue to denounce Putin. Perhaps he will convene NATO. For their part, Republicans will continue to insist that he's showing weakness and needs to get serious.
    This will all continue for a while.

    In the end, it will all settle down into a stalemate, with Russia having thrown its weight around in its near abroad—just like it always has—and the West not having the leverage to do much about it.

    Ukraine will....

    Actually, there's no telling about #11. Maybe Ukraine will choose (or have foisted on them) a pro-Russian leader that Putin is happy with. Maybe east and west will split apart. Maybe a nominally pro-Western leader will emerge. Who knows? What we do know is that (a) the United States will play only a modest role in all this, and (b) conservative hawks will continue to think that if only we'd done just a little bit more, Putin would have blinked and Ukraine would be free."


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  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 03, 2014 12:38 AM GMT
    Actually, I was thinking of the long term aspects of these recent events between Russia and the Ukraine and have come up with the following:

    Since about 40% of Europe's natural gas comes from Russia, the EU will look to the US and Canada for gas and oil imports in order to ween itself from Russia's provocations. Russia doesn't want to shut down the pipelines running through the Ukraine. The EU cannot afford the pipelines to shutdown either.

    The big signal of what's to come will be Keystone getting approved by Apr/May.

    When the EU fills its demand for gas and oil from the US and Canada, Russia will be neutered and then we'll be at war.
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    Mar 03, 2014 12:59 AM GMT
    coolarmydude saidActually, I was thinking of the long term aspects of these recent events between Russia and the Ukraine and have come up with the following:

    Since about 40% of Europe's natural gas comes from Russia, the EU will look to the US and Canada for gas and oil imports in order to ween itself from Russia's provocations. Russia doesn't want to shut down the pipelines running through the Ukraine. The EU cannot afford the pipelines to shutdown either.

    The big signal of what's to come will be Keystone getting approved by Apr/May.

    When the EU fills its demand for gas and oil from the US and Canada, Russia will be neutered and then we'll be at war.


    no way you're gonna get that much gas on ships, none
  • Kazachok

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    Mar 03, 2014 3:47 PM GMT
    Good riddance.
  • metta

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    Mar 06, 2014 5:41 PM GMT
    U.S. Escalates Sanction Response in Ukraine Crisis

    "The United States escalated its response to Russia’s military and economic threats to Ukraine on Thursday, announcing it has imposed visa bans on officials and others deemed responsible for actions that have undermined Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

    The new sanctions, announced by the Obama administration, carried the threat of further steps. The announcement came as the European Union was considering its own punitive measures and as Secretary of State John Kerry met for a second day with the Russian foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, on ways to defuse the Ukraine crisis, one of the most serious East-West confrontations since the Cold War.

    Russian officials reacted angrily and suggested that Russia would reciprocate with its own anti-American sanctions."


    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/07/world/europe/ukraine-sanctions.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=0
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    Mar 06, 2014 8:03 PM GMT
    Very interesting, I picked this particular Arch Angel Michael as a FB cover photo just before the may lay broke out in the square, Michael has been my guide, I had no idea this statue was in Kiev until I found it on Wiki. If you don't know the history of Kiev, Michael is their patron saint. It appears the statue might have been burnt, hopefully, they spared it, this is not cool icon_mad.gif


    The Eastern Orthodox accord Michael the title "Archistrategos", or "Supreme Commander of the Heavenly Hosts."[42] The Eastern Orthodox pray to their guardian angels and above all to Michael and Gabriel.[43]

    The Eastern Orthodox have always had strong devotions to angels, and the trend continues to date with the term "Bodiless Powers" applied to them.[44] A number of feasts dedicated to Archangel Michael are celebrated by the Eastern Orthodox throughout the year.[44]

    Archangel Michael is mentioned in a number of Eastern Orthodox hymns and prayer, and his icons are widely used within Eastern Orthodox churches.[45] In many Eastern Orthodox icons, Christ is accompanied by a number of angels, Michael being a predominant figure among them.[45]

    In Russia many monasteries, cathedrals, court and merchant churches are dedicated to the Chief Commander Michael, and most Russian cities have a church or chapel dedicated to the Archangel Michael.[46][47]

    The place of Michael in the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria is as a saintly intercessor, where he is seen as the one who presents to God the prayers of the just, who accompanies the souls of the dead to heaven, who defeats the devil. He is celebrated liturgically on the 12th of each month.[48] In Alexandria, a church was dedicated to him in the early fourth century on the 12th of the month of Ba'unah. On the 12th of the month of Hathor is the celebration of Michael's appointment in heaven, where Michael became the chief of the angels.[



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    Mar 06, 2014 8:41 PM GMT

    A wiki page documenting as they go

    2014 Hrushevskoho Street riots
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Hrushevskoho_Street_riots
  • metta

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    Mar 11, 2014 10:40 PM GMT
    Far-Right Minister: Gays Responsible for Ukraine Crisis

    Scott Lively attributes the invasion of Ukraine somehow to Russia's conflicts with the U.S. and European Union over LGBT rights.


    http://www.advocate.com/politics/religion/2014/03/11/far-right-minister-gays-responsible-ukraine-crisis
  • tazzari

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    Mar 12, 2014 1:06 AM GMT
    What happens if Putin threatens to take of his shirt and gallop around waving a gun?
  • tazzari

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    Mar 12, 2014 1:07 AM GMT
    metta8 saidFar-Right Minister: Gays Responsible for Ukraine Crisis

    Scott Lively attributes the invasion of Ukraine somehow to Russia's conflicts with the U.S. and European Union over LGBT rights.


    http://www.advocate.com/politics/religion/2014/03/11/far-right-minister-gays-responsible-ukraine-crisis


    Lively is disgusting and about as stupid as a trainload of wet bricks.

    Does anyone know the latest about the legal suit against him?