Are Same Sex Parents Bad for Children?

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    Feb 23, 2014 1:58 AM GMT
    For the first time in years, a federal trial will examine the claim that having parents of the same sex is bad for children. As they reel from a succession of defeats in courtrooms and legislatures, opponents of same-sex marriage have a new chance this week to play one of their most emotional and, they hope, potent cards.

    In a federal court in Detroit starting Tuesday, in the first trial of its kind in years, the social science research on family structure and child progress will be openly debated, with expert testimony and cross-examination, offering an unusual public dissection of the methods of sociology and the intersection of science and politics.

    Mark Regnerus, a sociologist, asserts that children with same-sex parents tend to fare worse.

    That view will be challenged in court by longtime scholars in the field, backed by major professional organizations, who call those studies fatally flawed. These scholars will describe a near consensus that, other factors like income and stability being equal, children of same-sex couples do just as well as those of heterosexual couples.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/us/opponents-of-same-sex-marriage-take-bad-for-children-argument-to-court.html?hp
  • Bunjamon

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    Feb 23, 2014 2:02 AM GMT
    No, same-sex parents are not bad for kids. Drunkard belligerent drug addict unemployed assholes as parents are bad for kids.
  • tazzari

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    Feb 23, 2014 2:27 AM GMT
    I'd venture a guess that same-sex parents, on the average, are better parents, having had to make the decision and often having had to go through a rigorous adoption process. NO accidental parenting.

    It would be interesting to know how many straight parents have knowingly appointed LGBT's as godparents or guardians. Iknow of several, and I'm one.
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    Feb 23, 2014 7:47 AM GMT
    The whole argument is nonsense anyway. If they are talking about biological children raised by a pair of gay men or lesbians, the vast majority of these were made the traditional way.

    If they are talking about adoption, there are not simply two queues of wannabe parents waiting to be given children to adopt. There are 68,000 children in care in the UK right now. If a gay couple does not adopt a child it is very likely they will spend their entire childhood in care. Even if same sex parents were worse than opposite sex parents (which I doubt), they would still be better than no parents.

    Unfortunately it is only a matter of time before a same-sex couple are found to be abusing a child. This is simply mathematics at work, as a small percentage of straight parents are abusers it will be the same with gay parents. The difference will be that politicians and newspaper editors will attempt to extrapolate the results to cover all gay people.
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    Feb 23, 2014 3:09 PM GMT
    tazzari saidI'd venture a guess that same-sex parents, on the average, are better parents, having had to make the decision and often having had to go through a rigorous adoption process. NO accidental parenting.

    It would be interesting to know how many straight parents have knowingly appointed LGBT's as godparents or guardians. Iknow of several, and I'm one.



    *raises hands* We are.
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    Feb 23, 2014 3:10 PM GMT
    What a colossal waste of money and time. Why don't they just look up north and see the results?

    ...talk about reinventing the wheel.
  • HottJoe

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    Feb 23, 2014 4:13 PM GMT
    I just heard about some straight parents who were arrested when their 18 month old baby tested positive for meth. I guess their first child had already died of accidental asphyxiation.... I'm sure a loving adoptive gay family would be better for the child, but homophobia trumps sensibility in the hearts of anti gay bigots.
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    Feb 23, 2014 4:21 PM GMT
    In meetings hosted by the Heritage Foundation in Washington in late 2010, opponents of same-sex marriage discussed the urgent need to generate new studies on family structures and children, according to recent pretrial depositions of two witnesses in the Michigan trial and other participants. One result was the marshaling of $785,000 for a large-scale study by Mark Regnerus, a meeting participant and a sociologist at the University of Texas who will testify in Michigan.

    The trial involves a challenge to Michigan’s constitutional restriction of marriage to a union between a man and a woman, brought by a lesbian couple who want to marry and legally adopt each other’s children.
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    Feb 23, 2014 4:33 PM GMT
    How are the kids going to call their fathers and mothers? Mom 1 and Mom 2 or Dad A and Dad B? That is the only confusion I have.
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    Feb 23, 2014 4:56 PM GMT
    Xavier92 saidHow are the kids going to call their fathers and mothers? Mom 1 and Mom 2 or Dad A and Dad B? That is the only confusion I have.

    What difference does it make?
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    Feb 23, 2014 5:03 PM GMT
    Xavier92 saidHow are the kids going to call their fathers and mothers? Mom 1 and Mom 2 or Dad A and Dad B? That is the only confusion I have.


    Are you serious?

    There are variations for the name "daddy" or "mummy" - choose one. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 23, 2014 5:06 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidThis time, four social science researchers, all of whom attended at least one of the Heritage Foundation meetings and went on to publish new reports, are scheduled to testify in favor of Michigan’s ban.

    The most prominent is Dr. Regnerus. His study, published in 2012, was condemned by leading social scientists as misleading and irrelevant, but some conservatives call it the best of its kind and continue to cite it in speeches and court cases.


    Jesus man, why do you bump your own threads 20 times? Desperate need to push your point?
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    Feb 23, 2014 5:51 PM GMT
    In other recent cases, judges were content to read the evidence in written briefs. But Judge Bernard A. Friedman of Federal District Court in Detroit ruled that a trial was needed to determine whether the state had any legitimate reasons to discriminate.
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    Feb 23, 2014 6:55 PM GMT
    Are you going to just quote the entire story one sentence at a time?

    The bottom line, buried in the middle somewhere, is that the entire "study" was an indefensible scam. The "researcher" classified failed heterosexual marriages as "same sex marriages" in order to make the numbers come out the way he wanted them to.

    That's just plain old fraud. If there were any tax dollars involved, he'd be in deep trouble.
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    Feb 23, 2014 7:18 PM GMT
    I wanted people to appreciate a new front by the religious right to prevent gay men and women from having children. It is quietly debated in a court somewhere in Detroit with ramification beyond that city.