what's wrong with you gays ??

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    Dec 21, 2008 7:48 PM GMT

    Real life , 9:23 pm ...


    All gay people want to look straight , and act straight, being accepted by the straight world .... this obsession for "straightness" is going too far, to give up the "gay-dream" .

    You see gay guys looking at boobs everywhere, having sex with their fag-hags .eventually also having some dreamy love story with them. and marriage .

    I'm starting to feel that this gay-dream: living with a man with no fear of the society, fall deeply in love and proove that a person can be free and librated from religious rules and society boundaries... but hey, it's just teenagers dream .. grown ups take the nature way.you don't see gay people, unless it's in bed or in gay bars ... is it just me ?? or it's a fact, that gay love is just for fun, the real thing is a straight family with a woman, normal life , with no stupid pride parads (which soon will vanish) or stupid gay marriage ( which is vanishing) ..

    That's it .. maybe it's the real world and maybe I'm looking for someone to say "there is hope" .

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    Dec 21, 2008 7:58 PM GMT
    terra22 saidI don't see any of my friends checking out boobs and having sex with their fag-hags. I've never seen or heard any of that happen at all, and i've been the center for gossip.

    So therefore I can't really see any of this being true.


    Agree: this is a rant that has little validity with the gay community that I know.
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    Dec 21, 2008 8:02 PM GMT

    He lives in an area near Tel Aviv in Israel. Different culture.

    GHoSTa, if you can, take a holiday in Canada or Western Europe.
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    Dec 21, 2008 8:20 PM GMT
    I see gay guys and couples in bookstores, in the airport, Starbucks... everywhere....hell the Mall near my parents house is gay mecca. I don't think the real thing is gay guys settling for straight lives...

    Oh yeah you're 19, at this stage in your life, life not just gay life is just for fun icon_cool.gif
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    Dec 21, 2008 8:21 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    He lives in an area near Tel Aviv in Israel. Different culture.

    GHoSTa, if you can, take a holiday in Canada or Western Europe.


    That's what I need really !! I'm sick of looking everywhere , seeing gay guys studying with me .. and they all want to be straight ..
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    Dec 21, 2008 11:17 PM GMT
    I do not know any gay men like you described where do you live?Eh1

    I feel sorry for you if that's your reality.
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    Dec 22, 2008 12:39 AM GMT
    hey! im really sorry for YOU! but get a life!!!!!!
    go to europe!
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    Dec 22, 2008 12:41 AM GMT
    No hag. No desire to look/act straight. No sex with women. Am I doing it wrong?
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    Dec 22, 2008 12:53 PM GMT
    DCEric saidNo hag. No desire to look/act straight. No sex with women. Am I doing it wrong?


    Somehow , people in my society find it offensive for them to admit that they don't feel attracted to women .. they brag about having sex with women, that they had or have girlfriends... if they don't then they'll probably start looking for them ..
    I know in yor countries it's different .. but as I feel here the gay world is disappearing ... it can be me or the university or anything ...icon_neutral.gif
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    Dec 22, 2008 1:25 PM GMT
    This post is dumb. Why is it a must that people commit to being gay or straight? Is it required that everybody certify their orientation. What's wrong with being bi or just undecided? Ghosta, don't worry about what other people are doing. Just live your life.
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    Dec 22, 2008 2:05 PM GMT
    GHoSTa said
    meninlove said
    He lives in an area near Tel Aviv in Israel. Different culture.

    GHoSTa, if you can, take a holiday in Canada or Western Europe.


    That's what I need really !! I'm sick of looking everywhere , seeing gay guys studying with me .. and they all want to be straight ..


    It could be the society you live in. Are gays still heavily persecuted and marginalized? If that is the case then it is understandable they want to "act straight" that way they think they will be accepted. A false hope by the way.
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    Dec 22, 2008 2:47 PM GMT
    It has been my experience that gays who wish to be straight are the most harmful gays (by number).
    They are self loathing and since they wish to to change a fundamental and inherent aspect of themselves, they cannot be truly happy.
    In pretending to be straight, they have relationships and marry women, thus adversely affecting the lives of these women and worse, the lives of their children by demonstrating that, living a lie that is not based on acceptance, is good.
    They show, by example, that faking love is no different than real love.
    They equate being gay with some sort of stereotypical lifestyle that they believe they have to conform to or that they will somehow 'automatically' become.
    They don't see being gay as simply being sexually attracted to and, if lucky, falling in love with another man. Everything else, whether stereotypical or not is irrelevant.
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    Dec 22, 2008 3:52 PM GMT
    Whoa. There's a lot of dismissing happening here in this thread. I see GHoSTa's question as valid for him. He doesn't understand the behavior or intentions of those around him that claim to be gay. Hell, if it were easy to be gay in our societies then I think our actions might be a little more understandable, if still humanly misguided.
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    Dec 22, 2008 3:57 PM GMT
    It is not a good idea to start a post when drunk or stoned.
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    Dec 22, 2008 4:15 PM GMT
    Brady527 saidI see GHoSTa's question as valid for him. He doesn't understand the behavior or intentions of those around him that claim to be gay.


    Very well put Brady!!! At times we forget that not everyone experiences the same thing(s), scenarios and what not. So for GHoSTa, it's valid and should not be "harped" on for his question. Yet again generalizing in his question should be looked at, he does state "All gay people want to look straight , and act straight, being accepted by the straight world" that's where I feel he went wrong, but other that for him, he has a valid question.

    As for me, I am who I am and what I am. I am "teased" that I am not "Gay enough" and that my Gay card should be revoked and what not. I don't TRY and fit in to the straight world, I do the best to fit in with me and whomever agrees or likes it comes along for the ride. Other than that, I cannot say that I steer my life for anyone's approval.
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    Dec 22, 2008 4:42 PM GMT
    Ghosta I understand your rant.

    For the others, keep in mind his age and where he lives. Go easy on the poor guy. I hear his rant as a cry from the frustration of living in a closeted society. It is not a whole lot different in the smaller cities in the US. A lot of us here like guys who by acting themselves are not that easily to distinguished form other straight men but pretty much all of us would prefer them to be honest about who they are. As for moving away, not everyone can just pack there bags and move to NY, Miami. London, Paris, Barcelona, San Fran, LA or any of the other gay friendly places.

    Ghosta, feel free to tell us about some specific stories that have set off your expression of frustration. Have you seen this behavior among your potential boyfriends?

    As for advice, use all this frustration is a productive way. Study hard and you might be able to apply for an international work/study program. You're still young enough to build the life you want.
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    Dec 22, 2008 4:55 PM GMT
    And in much of South America the macho image still reigns - I know a lot of gay men in NYC who have literally escaped a hostile environment for gay people in Peru, Columbia, etc - of course I also know some who have escaped the midwestern US!

    Israel does not ban gay people from the military, which we can't say in the US. On the other hand, it is a religious nation, obviously, with many conservative Jews and Muslims alike. That affects the environment in a big way. But Tel Aviv is a sophisticated city, and I believe there are many gay people there who have gone beyond the "confused" or accommodating student years, when parental wishes and peer pressure are so important.

    Hang in there.
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    Dec 22, 2008 5:10 PM GMT
    Different people all over the world, just hold tight. Let's all try to work together to banish the idea of straight and gay "characteristics".

    I hope you meet some genuine people.
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    Dec 22, 2008 5:12 PM GMT
    What's wrong with loving boobs? I LOVE EM! Especially one's like these...
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    Dec 22, 2008 5:29 PM GMT
    AMT87 saidI see gay guys and couples in bookstores, in the airport, Starbucks... everywhere....hell the Mall near my parents house is gay mecca. I don't think the real thing is gay guys settling for straight lives...

    Oh yeah you're 19, at this stage in your life, life not just gay life is just for fun icon_cool.gif


    I agree.. And I live in a conservative city and I always see gays. For some reason its always at Starbucks or Banana Republic.. The gays seem to gravitate towards it.
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    Dec 22, 2008 6:08 PM GMT

    Did you just convert to Mormon
    because that whole post sounds like wishful thinking.
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    Dec 22, 2008 10:17 PM GMT
    If you were born in the early 1950s, went to a "hardnut" school during the 1960s and started work in an all-male environment, where I mixed with war-hardened veterans and younger fellows who grew up in tough school playgrounds, while still in the 1960s, like I did, here in England...
    A land that had National Service up to 1960, a land that was head of a worldwide Empire based on militarism for 400 years, the British macho culture which stemmed from the empire and still going strong today, being whistled at by a gang of workmen in the street, having a group of youths or young employees whispering at each other and looking at you from the corner of their eyes, but no one has the courage to ask you personally, yet the whispers goes on and on...
    To "come out" is near enough signing your own death warrant here in Blighty.
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    Dec 22, 2008 10:31 PM GMT
    I just want to look like me and only me. Keep growing into the person I know I am and FUCK the rest who cannot accept me for who I am as a person - family and friends.
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    Dec 22, 2008 10:43 PM GMT
    WTF?! This has to be the most inane forum topic I have ever read in my life.
    SERIOUSLY?! WTF?! I've never heard stories like that. Clearly, your presupposing that this happens fairly often, and I have to admit, I have never heard of anything like this happening.

    I will admit, there are some guys that are all about "striaght acting" and they refuse to date guys who are in any way flambouyant, but that's obviously because they still don't accept and love themselves.

    Gay people are rampant and I don't only see them in bed or at bars because we are everywhere and we aren't trying to hide ourselves. We just fit in. Just because we're gay doesn't mean we're apparently different looking. Come on man! I'll admit, some of us lisp and some of us walk like we're on a runway, but honestly, that isn't the entire representation of the gay community.

    Which begs the question? Are you okay with being gay?
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    Dec 23, 2008 12:28 AM GMT
    Apparently there are quite a few here that seem to have no idea what different cultures may treat us "gays" like. I may not see the things that Ghost sees as dramatically, yet you seem to forget about those of us who tried to perform as "straights" for most of our life. I didn't have the luxury of being out when I was younger. I was one of those guy's he's talking about! I tried and tried and tried to love the female boob, yet all I really really really really wanted was to play w/a pair like HVG has. Have a little empathy you posers, I feel your pain Ghost.