Log Cabin Repulicans mission statement

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    Dec 22, 2008 1:20 AM GMT
    What do you think?

    Who we are

    Log Cabin Republicans courageously stand on the front lines of today's most important battleground for gay and lesbian civil rights. We are the nation's leading voice for fairness, inclusion, and tolerance in the GOP.

    Our party stands at a crossroads. The GOP must choose between fairness and freedom or intolerance and exclusion. Log Cabin works tirelessly to make sure the Republican Party chooses the right path. Ending up on the wrong side of history will cost the GOP for decades to come. So we tirelessly strive to achieve liberty and equality for all Americans.

    What we believe

    We are loyal Republicans. We believe in low taxes, limited government, strong defense, free markets, personal responsibility, and individual liberty. Log Cabin represents an important part of the American family-taxpaying, hard working people who proudly believe in this nation's greatness. We also believe all Americans have the right to liberty, freedom, and equality. Log Cabin stands up against those who preach hatred and intolerance. We stand up for the idea that all Americans deserve to be treated equal-regardless of their sexual orientation.

    Why we exist

    The mere existence of our organization recognizes the fact that the Republican Party still has a long way to go on issues affecting gay and lesbian civil rights. In recent years, the GOP has made important strides toward inclusion, however much more must be done. Too many people in the party remain hostile to gay and lesbian civil rights. Log Cabin will confront the radical right's bigotry head-on as we join the majority of Republicans who believe inclusion wins.

    Creating Change

    We are first and foremost a grassroots organization. Thousands of members in dozens of chapters across the country work tirelessly to change minds and hearts. One person at a time, we are building a stronger Republican party and a better America.

    Aside from our growing membership base spread around the nation, Log Cabin boasts an experienced political staff in our nation's capital. The office serves as an important link to the Republican Party leadership in the White House and on Capitol Hill. We might not win every fight in Washington, but our voice will not go unheard.

    Working Together

    Aside from working within the party for change, Log Cabin continues building new alliances in the gay and lesbian community. Both parties have an important role to play in advancing our civil rights. Without allies in the Republican Party, our push for equality will take decades longer. Despite our political differences with those on the left, some of the issues at stake are too important to let petty partisanship impede real progress. We must work together on the many issues where common ground exists.

    A Bright Future

    Standing up for what's right, working together, we can make a difference. We need your help to build a more inclusive GOP. Please join us. No matter your race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation-please join the Lob Cabin family as we work to build a more inclusive GOP and a better America.
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    Dec 22, 2008 1:35 AM GMT
    What a load of crap. Substitute "Hitler Youth" for Log Cabin Republicans and you'd have the same propaganda.

    While allegedly "working tirelessly" to influence the GOP, Log Cabin Republicans still blindly support anti-gay GOP policies & candidates.

    Only when the Log Cabiners openly oppose the GOP leadership and achieve some national party changes beneficial to GLBT, will I believe any part of this BS. Can you spell b-r-a-i-n-w-a-s-h-e-d?
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    Dec 22, 2008 1:51 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidWhat a load of crap. Substitute "Hitler Youth" for Log Cabin Republicans and you'd have the same propaganda.

    While allegedly "working tirelessly" to influence the GOP, Log Cabin Republicans still blindly support anti-gay GOP policies & candidates.

    Only when the Log Cabiners openly oppose the GOP leadership and achieve some national party changes beneficial to GLBT, will I believe any part of this BS. Can you spell b-r-a-i-n-w-a-s-h-e-d?


    Sounds like you're brainwashed by the left. The TRUE ideology of the repubilican party is great. unfortunatly,like everything else, people have to put there own personal agendas into things. that's why this group is helping educate anti-gay republicans, as well as working with open minded republicans to make a strong GOB, that way ALL republicans can save this country from communist hell!
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    Dec 22, 2008 2:04 AM GMT
    jffrsnndisc0rlnss saidThe TRUE ideology of the repubilican party is great. ...that way ALL republicans can save this country from communist hell!


    OK, an anachronistic throwback to the paranoia of the Republican McCarthy era of the 1950s. What I suspected we had here, so I think we can retire this thread.
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    Dec 22, 2008 2:09 AM GMT
    Did you get this from the LCR?

    While I disagree whole heartedly with the Republican Party as is stands now, working for change from within is a fine thing to do for those peculiar gay men among us who happen to be Republicans.

    However, the LCR have just been another cog in the GOP machine. I hope, in this transitional time for the Republican party, they grow a pair and challenge leadership and stand up for an ounce of that mission statement.
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    Dec 22, 2008 2:09 AM GMT
    "Communist hell" icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 22, 2008 2:58 AM GMT
    So republicans and the Log Cabin gays are going to save us from "Communist hell" ????? OH BOY !!!! I AM SO GLAD !!!!!! And who is it, or what party is it that is supposed to bring about this "COMMUNIST HELL"??? What kind of hell do we have right now after nearly 30 years of policies leaning toward Reagan Trical Down Economics ??? Are we to be happy with Republican Results, Conservatism, that spent trillions on an unnecessarry, war, killed thousands of our own, maimed many thousands more, killed purhaps a Million Iraqi's. The result of which has killed our standing in the world. Add to this "conservatism" free market at all costs, which together with the war has financially ruined our country, and taken the world down with us in this economic storm. The most recent administration has successfully tromped on many of the freedoms, and rights in our constitution, such as Habeaus Corpus (the right to a day in court), unlawful surveilance, torture in prisons our government set up, rendering prisoners to places that would torture, endless incarceration without charge, a system of military commissions to try prisoners with no hope of justice under that system. Who is the communistic group your concerned about? OH HELL YES !!! YOU REPUBLICANS SAVE US FROM COMMUNIST HELL !!! As Putin was to have said or inferred and I have to agree, "I'm not sure I want his (bush's) brand of democracy or freedom" said in reference to what bush did to Iraq to bring them "freedom" you log cabin boys effectively back what has happened by being in the repug party, must be some really strong "spiking" being done to your "cool aide" Good Luck !!!! I hope you wake up soon !!!!! I believe you need to re-evaluate from what side your going to work from, to improve relations for gays !!!
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    Dec 22, 2008 3:22 AM GMT
    I have no issue with being conservative. I'M conservative on economic issues and pretty liberal on social issues, but I can't believe I would EVER want to be part of a group who's clear and unambiguous stance on GLBT issues is, "We don't give a shit about what you want."

    I attribute the LCR members to those little yippy dogs that so desperately want to be accepted and become sycophantic of the big dogs.

    With members like Larry Craig and Ken Mehlman who consistantly lobby against affording us the same rights and protections as the straight community, all the while blowing anonymous pipe on the DL, it's pretty simple why the GLBT community hates the Repub party.

    I have no time for traitors.
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    Dec 22, 2008 3:41 AM GMT
    And other than promise things they don't deliver, what has the Democratic party done to earn the GLBT vote on a national level?
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    Dec 22, 2008 3:52 AM GMT
    MaxHedrm saidAnd other than promise things they don't deliver, what has the Democratic party done to earn the GLBT vote on a national level?


    Precious little, save not pursue anti-gay initiatives as actively as the Republicans. It's a lesser of two evils situation. Supporting Dems doesn't produce much for gays, but supporting Repubs would be absolutely suicidal.
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    Dec 22, 2008 4:03 AM GMT
    Uncle Toms, one and all.
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    Dec 22, 2008 4:05 AM GMT
    It would be nice if everyone were social liberals. Then we could just argue over economic conservatism or liberalism.

    WTB equality for all and less marginalization of humans.

    This is a crucial moment for the Republican party. The really need to rethink where they want to go in the next four years. If they keep there Huckabee infused social conservatism which wants religion in everything then, well, they will be the laughing stock of all textbooks to come.

    I am a spiritual/religious person and I by no means want to harp on people for "In God we trust" or "one nation under God". That isn't my agenda, but the Republican party's desire to constantly infuse their platform with wicked Christian agendas is disheartening and the main reason why I ran away from them. Sorry for being off topic but religion doesn't belong in politics, this isn't a theocracy.

    That being said, like Vespa mentioned, we are choosing between the lesser of two evils; basically, who is creating less hate for gays.

    edit: BTW I am really happy to see Realifedad doesn't have to type with all the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gratz on a new keyboard.
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    Dec 22, 2008 4:25 AM GMT
    Based on the GOP history, I tend to think republicans in general are insane...and especially gay ones but that's another topic. I'm trying to denigrate; I'm just being honest.

    I've asked periodically if any gay people in the GOP camp could illustrate anything in their personal experiences that would suggest that republicans are becoming more understanding and inclusive toward equal civil and human rights for gays but I have yet to get anyone to reply. I'd like to believe it could happen, but I really can't see it. Now or ever.

    As far as all the rest of the platform, it just seems like a collection of abused buzzwords:
    - lower taxes = borrow and spend. Deficit, deficit, deficit.
    - personal responsibility = except for the rich, wall street, Enron, Cunningham, Delay, Abramoff, Libby, etc, etc.
    - individual liberty = as much as you can afford.
    - life, liberty, persuit of happiness = unless you're gay or talking about health care.

    BUT, if LCR can restore the meaning of those words to what they're supposed to be then more power to you. icon_cool.gif
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    Dec 22, 2008 4:55 AM GMT
    Well, the Grand Old Party, Abraham Lincoln's party, has come a long way...and has a very challenging, long way to go.
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    Dec 22, 2008 5:03 AM GMT
    I think Lincoln would have a couple choice words for certain spotlight Republicans who have totally morphed what he stood for.
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    Dec 22, 2008 5:39 AM GMT
    jffrsnndisc0rlnss,

    Well, well. I guess I should finally answer your reply to my private e-mail to you. As I told you, I am an independent--however, that is mostly because I believe in compromise and the fact that republicans and democrats need to work together to achieve a better America. That being said, there are few Republican principles I agree with.

    I agree with secured boarders, strong national security--yet i feel that many in the Republican Party fall slave to nationalism. We always hear some macho conservative guy say: US Soldiers are dying every day to preserve our freedom. What of innocent Iraqi civilians? Is an American's life worth more than an Iraqi’s life? I fear many military men and conservative may say yes. And what of the Mexican border? Why do people wish to keep out the Mexicans? Is it because most Mexicans come here illegally? Or is it distaste towards Latinos in particular? Sometimes I have my suspicions.
    Evangelicals are nationalists for the most part... they wish American to stay separate from other countries... fearing a world government and the Anti-Christ. National pride is good to an existent... but excessive pride: blind patriotism and blind nationalism... scares me.

    We may be the greatest nation in the world, but that does not mean we are great!

    The Republican Party nowadays seems to contradict itself sometimes too:

    1.) Small government--except when banning gay marriage, abortion, and possible other civil liberties for minorities.

    2.)Pro-Life party which supports capital punishment. I value all life... including the lives of people who have made grave life decisions.

    3.) Conservative do not want their kids "indoctrinated" in schools (i.e. reading gay inclusive books: "King & King") yet some are upset that teacher led Christian prayer has been taken out of the schools.

    4.) Limited government and freedom of expression--yet some wishto ban flag burning. I honestly believe book burning is more offensive than flag burning.

    5.) Torture: We put Japanese commanders on trial during WWII for war crimes: waterboarding. YET, our own VP admits to ABC News that he ordered waterboarding torture, and he remains free?

    Moreover, on a whole, republicans tend to disregard science:

    1.) Climate change: Senators--greatly funded by oil companies-- have spoken out greatly against anthropogenic climate change. Are humans responsible for climate change? Who knows? But around 95% of the world's leading climatologists, chemists, geologists, meteorologists, etc. have come to the conclusion that humans are to blame. And i am not talking about the radical left environmentalist from Earth First or Greenpeace. I am talking about scientists who follow the scientific method, and practice the peer review process.

    2.) Homosexuality: The American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, American Pediatric Association, many social worker associations, many adoption agencies, etc. have all supported gay people and have come to the conclusion that changing one's sexuality is DNAGEROUS. Yet the social conservative community seems not to care and have set up ex-gay ministries to guilt "weak-minded" gays into going back into the closet.

    3.) Sarah Palin and her Flintstones fantasy: People like Palin obviously have no respect for science. She should look up C-14 and K-40 dating. Maybe she could understand that the world is not 6,000 years old

    4.) Creationism > Evolution? Teaching creationism IN biology classes in high school scares me. Evolution is a theory based on scientific evidence. Creationism is a fairy tale. I have no problem with creationism being taught in a world religions class (along with other religious creationist views) as an elective. But Creationism is not greater than or equal to Evolution. It boggles my mind. We see evolution all the time--each year with "the common cold" and yet conservative say it doesn't exist?

    My own bias: The people I respect the most in this country are teacher, educators, professors, scientists, doctors, researcher, and psychologists.

    AND as someone who will eventually find a career in the medical field, it makes me sick that this country's healthcare is run by insurance companies... not everyone has equal access or payment to various medical expenses. The fact that many people are without health insurance makes me very sad and angry.

    Guns: I hate guns. I hate hunting. I hate the second Amendment. But since we are so smart and destroyed parts of our ecosystem so that the keystone predators have diminished and or gone extinct... hunting is needed in parts of the country (i.e. in Maine, we need to hunt deer to control its population since we destroyed the habitats of mountain lions and other keystone predators.) But why else do we need guns? Assault rifles? Uzis? What is their use? Personal protection? Ummm Tazers, mace, Kung Fu. Do we need guns to "keep the government in check? I could make sooo many rebuttals to that argument. I think people need guns to feel power in their hands--they need to feel powerful and strong. Then again I may be wrong. But I am a strong supporter of gun control.

    With the economy, I understand hardly anything. Why? Money does not interest me. I have seen money ruin the lives of many people and relationships. Do I wish to be wealthy? Yes, but not super rich to the point of corruption. Fiscal responsibility is needed in the government yes... but TAXES ARE NEEDED for a humanistic society like America--"we are only as strong as our weakest/poorest citizens"
    I do believe in limited government--yet I believe large government is sometimes more favorable. And believe it or not, I am a strict constructionist when it comes to interpreting the Constitution

    So, think I do not like the Republican Party? Well, let's just say I disagree with a lot of their views. Some I do agree with. Same with the democrat party. I'd be more interested in the Republican Party if the dropped the social conservatives and went back to their true platform.
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    Dec 22, 2008 6:36 AM GMT
    I've never understood why people are so damn party loyal, whether it be Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, whatever.

    How can any platform represent the totality of your life?

    How can you tow the company line regardless of the stance of the leader(s) on key issues that affect you personally?

    Why is it so important to fight tooth and nail for an ideology that hasn't (and maybe can't) deliver all (or much) that it promised?
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    Dec 22, 2008 6:48 AM GMT
    PipHop saidI've never understood why people are so damn party loyal, whether it be Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, whatever.

    How can any platform represent the totality of your life?

    How can you tow the company line regardless of the stance of the leader(s) on key issues that affect you personally?

    Why is it so important to fight tooth and nail for an ideology that hasn't (and maybe can't) deliver all (or much) that it promised?



    hear, hear! that's why i'm voting straight down the green line next time, just so that no one gets my vote except for the party that i agree with 100% on paper... wait... i don't think i bolstered your argument. sawwy.
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    Dec 22, 2008 2:46 PM GMT
    PipHop saidI've never understood why people are so damn party loyal, whether it be Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, whatever.

    How can any platform represent the totality of your life?

    How can you tow the company line regardless of the stance of the leader(s) on key issues that affect you personally?

    Why is it so important to fight tooth and nail for an ideology that hasn't (and maybe can't) deliver all (or much) that it promised?


    No party platform or individual candidate is likely to represent the "totality of your life." You compare platforms & candidates and vote for those who BEST match what you want.

    It's like buying a car, where the manufacturers try to list all their "features" and hope that theirs will appeal to buyers more than those of the competition. What matters most to you: the most powerful engine, fuel economy, body style, interior features, reliability? You likely won't get everything you want in a single car, so you pick the one that does the best job at meeting your priorities.

    The same thing applies to political candidates. Meaning that a party platform represents their "features" so you can compare, plus politicians try to actively "sell" those features as being essential & important to you.

    But like with a car, sometimes those platform features are exaggerated, if not outright lies, so that after the election we often find we didn't get what we thought we had voted for. Unfortunately, we can't easily take a politician back to get a refund, no "30-day trial" applies to them, no "lemon laws" in effect.
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    Dec 22, 2008 3:54 PM GMT
    cjcscuba1984 said I'd be more interested in the Republican Party if the dropped the social conservatives and went back to their true platform.

    A lot of people would be more interested in the GOP if they did that. Politics wouldn't be so religious heavy if we could get rid of the 1850s moral values that most Republicans attach to there party.

    PipHop saidHow can any platform represent the totality of your life?

    It can't. If you think the US is bad, look at a country like France where they have 6 major political parties and about 10 smaller ones. And for them, that still isn't enough.

    A two-party political system is a binary opposition nightmare. It violates so many philosophical treaties. But hey, we do what we can.
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    Dec 22, 2008 4:11 PM GMT
    Whenever we vote, we rarely have full knowledge of who we are voting for, anyone we vote for comes with motives, some are totally hidden from public view, some come out to guide us in voting. We as voters are further limited in gaining knowledge by the media, who also have motives, sometimes to cover the truth about a bad politician, and sometimes to smear another candidate who would be a good politician. At best we are limited to the lesser of evils between (sadly) only two primary party's, both party's have some genuinely good candidates. But in thos party's are a set of platforms, that can generally guide us, and the Republican party like it or not has fallen into a rutt of being the party of intolerance. That intolerance comes in large part from its Evangelical short sighted base, which has now mostly narrowed their followers down to the South and some of the Midwest. The most uneducated, and evangelicly indoctrinated part of the country. To use a bible example the preachers like to use, "you can tell a leopard by its spots, and a Zeebra by its stripes". Therefore to me, and it should be obvious to all, that by the republican evangelical spots and stripes representing their actions, I cannot and will not support the rotton results of their actions particularly after this last repug administration. They are of a "stripe" that should be easily dissernable as not good for our country, and especially not good for gay citizens.
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    Dec 22, 2008 4:17 PM GMT
    LC Republicans, like most devoted masochists, are really hot in bed.
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    Dec 22, 2008 4:20 PM GMT
    I have never know any one in "Log Cabin" to feel as you do. Are you sure it's "Log Cabin"? You may very well be a Liberial Republican and you that's great! Could never be a part of party that wants a two teir system and do does not believe in social programs that benefit the poor and the elderly.

    That is not what the GOP is about. They have shown this to be true. I have not heard or seen any GAY member of Log Cabin come out and speak up for GAY Rights, Rowe v. Wade, Stem Cell Research, or promoting and legislation for more funding in low income areas for after school Programs, Day Care for single mothers and fathers across the US.

    You site these things in your Manafesto(sp) how inclusive and Gay Friendly the GOP is, but you do not give any examples ae to how inclusive "Log Cabin" is none. That's kind of insulting.
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    Dec 22, 2008 5:47 PM GMT
    i dunno... maybe i'm too easily reduced to stereotypes (which is fine with me on one level, since it makes everything so cut and dry; however, i'll end up creating a blog to undermine all those stereotypes, so really, what's the point?), but i've read the green party platform, and on paper: yes, i agree with 100% of their stances: http://www.gp.org/platform/2004/


    but i'm a commie-pinko bastard according to my libertarian uncle, so there you have it.