Staggering number of young people leave religion over gay rights

  • metta

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    Feb 26, 2014 8:07 PM GMT
    Staggering number of young people leave religion over gay rights

    New survey finds at least a third of US adults 18-34 left religion over 'negative teachings and treatments' towards the LGBTI community


    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/staggering-number-young-people-leave-religion-over-gay-rights260214
  • tazzari

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    Feb 26, 2014 8:33 PM GMT
    Almost rates a "duh".

    Our church, Trinity Seattle, is Open & Affirming, marches in the pride parade, does same-sex marriages, and we are attracting a steadily-growing number of young people and couples who want to worship in such affirmative, open company, and who want to be sure their children are raised accordingly.
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    Feb 26, 2014 11:56 PM GMT
    A bunch of hateful folks preaching disrespect and intolerance. Nothing could be further from God's love than the crap thrown out by many religions today.
  • Suetonius

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    Feb 27, 2014 1:07 AM GMT
    Steel101 saidA bunch of hateful folks preaching disrespect and intolerance. Nothing could be further from God's love than the crap thrown out by many religions today.

    A welcome trend.
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    Feb 27, 2014 3:11 AM GMT
    With so much information available now vs say 20 years ago, I think more and more young people are finding how fake religion is, how fake it was when first put into an amendment by those who wished to control the masses. A basic "morality clause" that was specifically stated to separate itself from state, because of this separation, the "church" is exempt from state, federal tax.

    Lets not forget the fore fathers were freemasons who contributed to the "greatest lie ever told"

    The "establishment of religion" clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion to another ... in the words of Jefferson, the [First Amendment] clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between church and State' ... That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution


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    Feb 27, 2014 3:16 AM GMT
    scruffLA saidWith so much information available now vs say 20 years ago, I think more and more young people are finding how fake religion is, how fake it was when first put into an amendment by those who wished to control the masses. A basic "morality clause" that was specifically stated to separate itself from state, because of this separation, the "church" is exempt from state, federal tax.


    not to mention the personal witness of fake relationships BETWEEN church members!

    I guess Jesus meant to love your neighbors, as in, being fake. icon_razz.gif /sarcasm tag
  • tazzari

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    Feb 27, 2014 3:23 AM GMT
    "more and more young people are finding how fake religion is"

    I think that while you make a point, we should not ignore the fact that a lot of churches and synagogues are very accepting and have done great work in pro-LGBT matters.

    A lot of young people come to us because we do not insist that they leave their brains at the door, and that we welcome everyone into the community where, to a very large extent you can believe what you believe as long as you accept the rest of us and worship (whatever that means to you) together. It's a warm and challenging place to be.
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    Feb 27, 2014 3:41 AM GMT
    tazzari said"more and more young people are finding how fake religion is"

    I think that while you make a point, we should not ignore the fact that a lot of churches and synagogues are very accepting and have done great work in pro-LGBT matters.

    A lot of young people come to us because we do not insist that they leave their brains at the door, and that we welcome everyone into the community where, to a very large extent you can believe what you believe as long as you accept the rest of us and worship (whatever that means to you) together. It's a warm and challenging place to be.


    ^This has been the problem for many older generations, the followers, who for whatever reason, cant think for themselves, need to be told what to do and how to think, act, classic brainwashing, the brainwashing is accomplished in either of two ways,
    via: Religion or Media

    The young people are just getting smarter and technology has helped reveal the truth. That is why technology is "evil" according to religions. It gives "equal opportunity of information", information that has been withheld for thousands of years. Believe me, you don't need a "place of worship" a brick and mortar store, you can do worship in the privacy of your own home, the "message" still gets received, as long as you the know the secret, the secret that has been withheld by these institutions.

    This is obvious in e commerce. Before the internet technology , all people went to brick and mortar stores to buy things, it is more convenient now to shop on line in the privacy of your home or office, or even on the road. Cyber Monday. The "church" as we know it, is becoming obsolete, it will need to figure out how it is to survive, if at all.
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    Feb 27, 2014 9:51 AM GMT
    metta8 saidStaggering number of young people leave religion over gay rights

    New survey finds at least a third of US adults 18-34 left religion over 'negative teachings and treatments' towards the LGBTI community


    http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/staggering-number-young-people-leave-religion-over-gay-rights260214


    There are a long list of reasons for folks leaving false belief systems. It's not just bigotry, shunning, and enforced compliance, but, also, folks (some at least), are developing better critical thinking skills and understanding false belief systems for what they are: false.

    For a very long time, false belief systems have preyed upon ignorance, but, for folks that are better educated, and more able to ask sensible questions, those false belief systems make NO SENSE.

    It's a refreshing commentary on independent thinking, and the resistance to brainwashing and pychological manipulation that false belief systems use to recruit, and maintain, followers.
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    Feb 27, 2014 2:16 PM GMT
    Hmm.
    This doesn't ring true to me.
    The poll seemed very much to be skewed.
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    Feb 27, 2014 2:34 PM GMT
    scruffLA said more and more young people are finding how fake religion is, how fake it was when first put into an amendment by those who wished to control the masses.


    this ^^

    it's not about gay issues, it's about people finally waking up and realising that organized religion is a fictional propaganda created to control people and money. the catholic church is the largest corporation of such evil. only the truly gullible are taken in by their lies at this point.

    if any other entity routinely practiced and covered up peodophilia at the scale the church has, it would have been shut down and ALL the offenders stoned in the streets, why does the church get complete immunity?
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    Feb 27, 2014 2:43 PM GMT
    I think gay rights is a major test for churches. Somehow they have to mentally connect what Jesus' true message was, and what is in their own hearts. Churches ain't always good, and people's hearts know better.

  • Feb 27, 2014 2:56 PM GMT
    Am I the only Pagan here? Organized religion.... I jumped ship at 13, when I started to find the B.S. intolerable. I like the current Pope, I just dont like the organization he leads, until he leads them to lasting improvement on a variety of issues. Even so... Nah, wouldn't go back. Pagans have more fun.
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    Feb 27, 2014 3:12 PM GMT
    Gay men are demonized but after every state has ss marriage and ENDA you know life will just continue as it always has. the 3-5% gay population is not enough to change anything
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    Feb 27, 2014 3:16 PM GMT
    One thing these so called Religious people forget is that the God they're claiming to serve is watching their every move and knowing the words in their mind before they come out of their mouths. Let them keep teaching lies...payback will be a bitch. Bad things happen to people who are more a mess than the people they're attempting to change...
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    Feb 27, 2014 3:39 PM GMT
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    scruffLA said more and more young people are finding how fake religion is, how fake it was when first put into an amendment by those who wished to control the masses.


    this ^^

    it's not about gay issues, it's about people finally waking up and realising that organized religion is a fictional propaganda created to control people and money. the catholic church is the largest corporation of such evil. only the truly gullible are taken in by their lies at this point.

    if any other entity routinely practiced and covered up peodophilia at the scale the church has, it would have been shut down and ALL the offenders stoned in the streets, why does the church get complete immunity?


    Religion works for some and not for others, and it's not going away any time soon. You call it fictional propaganda but remember, there are billions of people all over the world who follow various religions and will wholeheartedly disagree with you. In my opinion, religion does more good than harm. Are there atheist organizations that can raise tons of money to house and feed the homeless or care for the sick? Look at what the Catholic Church has done for people with HIV.

    "The Catholic Church is the biggest private provider of AIDS care in the world, providing anti-retroviral treatment, home-care visits and counseling to one in four of the world's 33.3 million AIDS patients, according to the Catholic charity Caritas International. In 2008, members of the Catholic HIV and AIDS network spent 180 million euros (about $235 million) on assistance...

    With the spread of the disease to North America, the Church in the United States established the National Catholic AIDS Network to provide care to AIDS patients, their families and loved ones. By 2008, Catholic Charities USA had 1,600 agencies providing services to AIDS sufferers, including housing and mental health services.[2]

    AIDS arrived in Australia in the 1980s. Soon after, the Sisters of Charity began to admit patients suffering from the mysterious new disease at St Vincent's Hospital, Sydney, in Sydney's inner city, which became a world leader in HIV research.[3]

    Much of the Church's aid effort is concentrated in developing nations - in Africa, Asia, and Latin America.[2] According to PBS news, in 2011, there were "117,000 Catholic medical facilities, from clinics in the deepest jungle to large urban hospitals in the developing world, that are involved in treating both people that are already infected with AIDS and trying to prevent the transmission to at-risk populations".[4]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_AIDS#Provision_of_care_for_AIDS_patients
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    Feb 27, 2014 4:00 PM GMT
    Draper said

    Much of the Church's aid effort is concentrated in developing nations - in Africa, Asia, and Latin America.[2] According to PBS news, in 2011, there were "117,000 Catholic medical facilities, from clinics in the deepest jungle to large urban hospitals in the developing world, that are involved in treating both people that are already infected with AIDS and trying to prevent the transmission to at-risk populations".[4]


    yeah of course it is, they're recruiting parishioners, all of their charitiable activities are contingent on accepting their missionary component. the highest yeild conversions occur where you can buy a starving person's faith with food or medicine.

    And western developed nations don't have the impoverished and starving in numbers large enough to make it advantageous for the church to aggressively solicit here. (they also have that nasty pedophilia problem here) the vatican confines their activities in these countries to some storefront charity to feed the media, and figting contraception, and try to deflect the criminal prosecutions with pay-offs.

    most developed countries have declining religiosity, and are becoming dominantly secular. the church has done it's marketing homework, and doesnt' bother with areas of low return.
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    Feb 27, 2014 4:05 PM GMT
    As someone who was raised by in an atheist household and is not religious myself I find non-believers over simplify the religious community and it doesn't help that we have all these bigots in politics that make this community look like extremists.

    I've only been to one church service since childhood. It was a unitarian church and it was extremely enlightening. It was shortly after the Columbine shooting and the sermon was one of various people sharing the pain, confusion and looking for answers on preventing future tragedies. I had had a traumatic experience at a fire and brimstone church in my childhood and as a result felt creeped out near any church. That one morning cured me of this fear. When a church strips religion down to ethical questions and doesn't thump archaic scriptures to justify right from wrong then it is giving us something that I feel is lacking. There is a small movement of free thinking humanists that has developed to fill this void but if such a community is hard to come by than a unitarian church could be just as good.

    As for being bigoted and judgmental, this behavior is not limited to spiritual folks. While religion may be the most effective way to indoctrinate people, society has other means. Consider how righteous a thread here becomes when talking about open versus monogamous relationships, hooking up, sex clubs, cruising, sex with married men, married or partnered men cheating on their spouses, even something as innocent as nudity at the gym. Just because you don't have a book to reach for as a moral compass, doesn't mean that your moral decisions are independent of how you perceive others will judge you. Unless you are psychotic, you have an innate morality that is based natural feelings of empathy but this morality can be clouded by your desire to be accepted among your piers. That will happen in and out of churches.
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    Feb 27, 2014 4:44 PM GMT
    thadjock said
    Draper said

    Much of the Church's aid effort is concentrated in developing nations - in Africa, Asia, and Latin America.[2] According to PBS news, in 2011, there were "117,000 Catholic medical facilities, from clinics in the deepest jungle to large urban hospitals in the developing world, that are involved in treating both people that are already infected with AIDS and trying to prevent the transmission to at-risk populations".[4]


    yeah of course it is, they're recruiting parishioners, all of their charitiable activities are contingent on accepting their missionary component. the highest yeild conversions occur where you can buy a starving person's faith with food or medicine.

    And western developed nations don't have the impoverished and starving in numbers large enough to make it advantageous for the church to aggressively solicit here. (they also have that nasty pedophilia problem here) the vatican confines their activities in these countries to some storefront charity to feed the media, and figting contraception, and try to deflect the criminal prosecutions with pay-offs.

    most developed countries have declining religiosity, and are becoming dominantly secular. the church has done it's marketing homework, and doesnt' bother with areas of low return.


    The pedophilia situation is horrific, but putting that aside, when charitable deeds are done by religions nothing is expected in return. You're using the words recruit and solicit unnecessarily. You don't have to join any religion just because you were given a meal or care, but some people may choose to because faith enhances their lives in one way or another, and they may in turn go on to help other people.

    There's a place not too far from me which is run by a church and they provide daily meals for anyone. And they also provide shelter for battered women and homeless people. It's all free. I've given them money, clothing, and household items I no longer need. They don't ask people in need if they're atheist or Christian or Muslim or whatever. They don't give out Bibles.