Monogamy Makes for Dumber Males

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    Feb 28, 2014 1:22 AM GMT
    Forcing male flies into monogamy has a startling effect: After a few dozen generations, the flies become worse at learning.

    This discovery, published on Wednesday in the Proceedings of the Royal Society, isn’t a biological excuse for men who have strayed from their significant other. Instead, it’s a tantalizing clue about why intelligence evolved.

    The new study was carried out by Brian Hollis and Tadeusz J. Kawecki, biologists at the University of Lausanne in Switzerland. They investigated a fly species called Drosophila melanogaster that normally has a very un-monogamous way of life.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/science/stupider-with-monogamy.html?hpw&rref=science
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    Feb 28, 2014 1:25 AM GMT
    That doesn't make any sense.
    Having been monogomous or not wouldn't be encoded in their genes.
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    Feb 28, 2014 1:26 AM GMT
    what about fruit flies? heyyyy
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    Feb 28, 2014 1:34 AM GMT
    I'm monogamous because I love my husband. To cheat would hurt him, which would kill me (and maybe him, too). And honestly I have no interest in cheating, anyway. I have everything I want with him.

    I'm not sure I see a connection with flies. Neither of us are flies. We're gay humans who love each other.
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    Feb 28, 2014 1:40 AM GMT
    I can see the difference between forcing and voluntary action. That explains
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    Feb 28, 2014 1:42 AM GMT
    paz_the_gnome saidflies aren't humans though so wtf is the point of this shit? all these generalizations and yet their conclusions and studies really don't explain ANYTHING. i'm all for science BUT within reason. not baseless basic bullshit like this.


    Flies are one of the main test subjects in science, because come species have a genetic code very similar to ours.

    The conclusions are very logical from an evolutionary standpoint. Natural selection promotes seeking the fittest (physically and mentally) for optimal survival of the species. The offspring of a fit couple has a strong likelyhood of inheriting these caracteristics and transmitting them to their own offspring in the future, creating a stronger species over long periods of time. If you forcefully match two individuals together and restrict them from seeking more optimal partners, it makes sense that offsprings would have weaker physical and intellectual abilities.

    (The same phenomenon applies to many other things though, ranging from allowing the disabled to live to giving care to the diseased, etc.)
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    Feb 28, 2014 1:49 AM GMT
    YourName2000 saidThank God I'm not a fly, lol. And that I'm not reproducing.

    I think I'll be okay. icon_wink.gif


    lol +1
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    Feb 28, 2014 1:56 AM GMT
    FRANKHOMESTEADER saidYou and your followers are ignorant pricks ,the most queer cult I have ever encountered . I see why a great majority of gay men have nothing to do with the so called gay community .


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    Feb 28, 2014 2:00 AM GMT
    I think some straight men will appreciate this study.icon_lol.gif Their wives and some gay men are like, those flies were dumb because they never learned to listen.icon_mad.gif
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    Feb 28, 2014 2:03 AM GMT
    Probably got dumber because they were caged together for so long and couldn't explore like other flies would to learn things... they have a super short life span anyways.. but yeah they are just flies. . .
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    Feb 28, 2014 2:06 AM GMT
    FRANKHOMESTEADER saidYou and your followers are ignorant pricks ,the most queer cult I have ever encountered . I see why a great majority of gay men have nothing to do with the so called gay community .


    Yet, here you are, part of this gay community (in fact you insist on it), and wanting to start one of your own.

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    Feb 28, 2014 2:08 AM GMT
    woodsmen, flies are also cannibals. If humans were cannibals, too, would that make us smarter?

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    Feb 28, 2014 2:15 AM GMT
    kiwiLifter said
    meninlove said woodsmen, flies are also cannibals. If humans were cannibals, too, would that make us smarter?

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    Hey meninlove is monogamous right, after all they are married. What more proof do you need that monogamy kills braincells. icon_lol.gif


    *sniffs your post* ahhh...desperation with a hint of fatty muscles. icon_wink.gif
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    Feb 28, 2014 2:17 AM GMT
    Rita said
    paz_the_gnome saidflies aren't humans though so wtf is the point of this shit? all these generalizations and yet their conclusions and studies really don't explain ANYTHING. i'm all for science BUT within reason. not baseless basic bullshit like this.


    Flies are one of the main test subjects in science, because come species have a genetic code very similar to ours.

    The conclusions are very logical from an evolutionary standpoint. Natural selection promotes seeking the fittest (physically and mentally) for optimal survival of the species. The offspring of a fit couple has a strong likelyhood of inheriting these caracteristics and transmitting them to their own offspring in the future, creating a stronger species over long periods of time. If you forcefully match two individuals together and restrict them from seeking more optimal partners, it makes sense that offsprings would have weaker physical and intellectual abilities.

    (The same phenomenon applies to many other things though, ranging from allowing the disabled to live to giving care to the diseased, etc.)


    Ad hoc reasoning is not reasoning or proof of anything (even though it is a hundred billion dollar business today)... My god the ocean of useless details and "logic" to prop up stupid scientific beliefs... As Pazzy once stated, there's that thing called confirmation bias... Not exactly to sure why I picked you out to respond to out of all the hundreds of threads I could have likewise responded to, and sorry for not saying much of anything still...
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    Feb 28, 2014 2:20 AM GMT
    kiwiLifter said
    meninlove said
    kiwiLifter said
    meninlove said woodsmen, flies are also cannibals. If humans were cannibals, too, would that make us smarter?

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    Hey meninlove is monogamous right, after all they are married. What more proof do you need that monogamy kills braincells. icon_lol.gif


    *sniffs your post* ahhh...desperation with a hint of fatty muscles. icon_wink.gif


    See, even more proof for the OP. icon_biggrin.gif

    Why are you on RJ, you are not a jock.


    Oh my, dumber than I thought, you are. icon_lol.gif

    Now then, child, if you wish to hurl your poo at me it's best done in emails or another topic. (although I suspect you seek out these insult games because I give you a raging boner).
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    Feb 28, 2014 2:22 AM GMT
    Most species don't use reproductive activity for anything but reproduction (or, at least that is how it appeals), so this hardly says anything about humans.
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    Feb 28, 2014 2:30 AM GMT


    Actually, Yourname, I suspect he's DontKnowWhy.

    He never knows why, which is what gives him away. icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 28, 2014 2:40 AM GMT
    So, if Jeff Goldblum had not limited himself to just Geena Davis, in the end he may have been smart enough to make his plan succeed.
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    Feb 28, 2014 3:05 AM GMT
    I love you guys (not kiwiLifter) ! You guys are so funny!
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    Feb 28, 2014 1:36 PM GMT
    Rita said
    paz_the_gnome saidflies aren't humans though so wtf is the point of this shit? all these generalizations and yet their conclusions and studies really don't explain ANYTHING. i'm all for science BUT within reason. not baseless basic bullshit like this.

    Flies are one of the main test subjects in science, because come species have a genetic code very similar to ours.
    The conclusions are very logical from an evolutionary standpoint. Natural selection promotes seeking the fittest (physically and mentally) for optimal survival of the species. The offspring of a fit couple has a strong likelyhood of inheriting these caracteristics and transmitting them to their own offspring in the future, creating a stronger species over long periods of time. If you forcefully match two individuals together and restrict them from seeking more optimal partners, it makes sense that offsprings would have weaker physical and intellectual abilities.
    (The same phenomenon applies to many other things though, ranging from allowing the disabled to live to giving care to the diseased, etc.)

    Rita, I'd hate to get into an argument with you but there's not a word of sense there. Evolution has nothing to do with being "fit." That's a Darwinian misquote that people who don't understand evolution use.
    Why do you think a monogamous couple would only be missing out on *more* optimal matches? If everyone mates, the most optimal will reproduce their genes anyway. There's no need for poligamy.
    Fruit flies are hardly genetically similar to humans. As kiwi said, they are used because of their rapid life/death cycles.
    http://m.voices.yahoo.com/the-fruit-fly-why-used-genetic-studies-5844944.html