Why do you oppose marriage for incest and polygamy?

  • theonewhoknoc...

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    Mar 02, 2014 5:08 AM GMT
    The other thread about this subject disappeared - I think the OP had some other issues that got him banned. But after idunno how many pages of ad hominem attacks, no one really answered the gist of the argument...

    ...that is if we justify gay marriage based on "freedom to love" or something like that, and refute opposition arguments (AIDs, promiscuity, etc) with the correlation-does-not-imply-causation angle, then how does this NOT apply to incestuous or polygamous relationships as well?

    So far every argument opposed uses EXACTLY the kind of logic that the anti-gay religious folk use (destruction of society, not good for families, unhealthy, gross, etc)
  • AMoonHawk

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    Mar 02, 2014 5:13 AM GMT
    So far I have not heard a valid argument for it. Ancient Rome, Ancient Egypt and probably a multitude of ancient civilizations practiced it. So far it has not become highly practiced in today's societies around the world.
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    Mar 02, 2014 5:15 AM GMT
    Somewhere a line must be drawn or we would live in total anarchy which would lead to chaos. So no, I wouldn't legally allow poli-marriages or incest.

    Gay marriages isn't based in "freedom to love" only, it's actually based in equal opportunities for all. The key word here is MARRIAGE, that action should be applied to everyone regardless the sexual orientation. Now INCEST or POLIGAMY are 2 different concepts that have nothing to do with sexual orientation, so why would you even bring this into the discussion?
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    Mar 02, 2014 6:33 AM GMT
    I think all polygamists should have children with their sisters
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    Mar 02, 2014 1:39 PM GMT
    I think the real question here is does marriage of any kind actually work? Is marriage in the modern sense even something worthwhile obtaining.

    It will eventually happen of course of that there is no doubt society is changing and with that change comes agreement that excluding a person based on sexuality is about as pointless as tits on a bull.

    But is it really worth it? does marriage work? people get married and divorced repeatedly with no real consequences.

    Marriage is mostly now meaningless.

    Unless it's for the tax benefits and the awesome things people will buy you when you get married.
  • creature

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    Mar 02, 2014 1:54 PM GMT
    I don't oppose those kind of marriages. They're not the kind I would be involved in, but I'm open enough to let it be.
  • MikeW

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    Mar 02, 2014 2:24 PM GMT
    The other thread on this topic was a troll thread. The OP of it and kwiLifter (another troll) were insinuating that gay marriage activists were disingenuous, even hypocritical, because they don't advocate polygamy. It's an absurd, typical troll argument stemming from ignorant assholes who say, "well if you're going to let gays mary, then why not allow incest or even bestiality?" If polygamists want equal marriage rights then they should advocate for them. They certainly have in the past. Doesn't mean we have to as they certainly didn't advocate our rights.
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    Mar 02, 2014 2:52 PM GMT
    I've clicked some guys on ignore who advocate incest. It absolutely creeps me out. That needs about as much exploration and explanation as knowing to not jump off that cliff over there.

    Polygamy ought to not be illegal but also it ought not benefit from state sanctioned marriage because that would make it more than fair by definition, by not being merely a coupling, rather offering innumerable individuals advantages over others. Though that doesn't seem fair to polygamists, the only way to make that fair would be to entirely dismantle the institution and that's not gonna happen. It's a square peg/round hole scenario.
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    Mar 02, 2014 3:22 PM GMT
    Incest is wrong because the babies produced will grow up to be republicans.
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    Mar 02, 2014 3:23 PM GMT
    MikeW saidThe other thread on this topic was a troll thread. The OP of it and kwiLifter (another troll) were insinuating that gay marriage activists were disingenuous, even hypocritical, because they don't advocate polygamy. It's an absurd, typical troll argument stemming from ignorant assholes who say, "well if you're going to let gays mary, then why not allow incest or even bestiality?" If polygamists want equal marriage rights then they should advocate for them. They certainly have in the past. Doesn't mean we have to as they certainly didn't advocate our rights.


    Exactly.
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    Mar 02, 2014 4:33 PM GMT
    lilTanker saidI think the real question here is does marriage of any kind actually work? Is marriage in the modern sense even something worthwhile obtaining.

    It will eventually happen of course of that there is no doubt society is changing and with that change comes agreement that excluding a person based on sexuality is about as pointless as tits on a bull.

    But is it really worth it? does marriage work? people get married and divorced repeatedly with no real consequences.

    Marriage is mostly now meaningless.

    Unless it's for the tax benefits and the awesome things people will buy you when you get married.


    There is no reason for marriage, it is discriminatory and the last refuge of the church interfering in the state.
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    Mar 02, 2014 4:37 PM GMT
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    lilTanker saidI think the real question here is does marriage of any kind actually work? Is marriage in the modern sense even something worthwhile obtaining.

    It will eventually happen of course of that there is no doubt society is changing and with that change comes agreement that excluding a person based on sexuality is about as pointless as tits on a bull.

    But is it really worth it? does marriage work? people get married and divorced repeatedly with no real consequences.

    Marriage is mostly now meaningless.

    Unless it's for the tax benefits and the awesome things people will buy you when you get married.


    There is no reason for marriage, it is discriminatory and the last refuge of the church interfering in the state.


    Well....marriage stopped being religious property long ago, and in fact was not religious property for some time before it became so. It is secular, or religious, depending on the wishes of each couple wanting to marry. Now that's freedom and equality. icon_wink.gif
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    Mar 02, 2014 5:12 PM GMT
    lilTanker saidI think the real question here is does marriage of any kind actually work? Is marriage in the modern sense even something worthwhile obtaining.

    It will eventually happen of course of that there is no doubt society is changing and with that change comes agreement that excluding a person based on sexuality is about as pointless as tits on a bull.

    But is it really worth it? does marriage work? people get married and divorced repeatedly with no real consequences.

    Marriage is mostly now meaningless.

    Unless it's for the tax benefits and the awesome things people will buy you when you get married.

    Good point lilTanker, with the rate of divorce here in the US, no one can point to marriage as an example of something worth looking up to. It all comes down to the financial benefits of the political decisions.
  • Apparition

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    Mar 02, 2014 5:20 PM GMT
    in practical terms marriage should be a contract for 5 years and renewable after that for 3 year intervals.

    I actually think marriage should be more like "the moon is a harsh mistress" by heinlein. line marriages of 3 different generations. The teenagers breed, school, and apprentice, the middle ages work and take advice, the oldest takes care of the kids, retires, and advises on business. 6 people married, all live together and sleep with any combination male for female young or old.
  • theonewhoknoc...

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    Mar 03, 2014 6:03 AM GMT
    David3000 saidSomewhere a line must be drawn or we would live in total anarchy which would lead to chaos....


    Seee, that's exactly what the anti-gays are saying!
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    Mar 03, 2014 10:28 AM GMT
    Xavier92 saidIncest is wrong because the babies produced will grow up to be republicans.


    THIS RIGHT HERE icon_lol.gif
  • TheSkyWasYell...

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    Mar 04, 2014 1:15 AM GMT
    Very logical reasons to oppose them: in every culture "polygamy" is just a code word for middle-aged men fucking numerous small, pre-pubscent girls. And I oppose incest because it produces children with several amplified, crippling genetic flaws that damage the human gene pool (I'm a 20-year Jerry Springer fan). This is just common sense.