Sarah Palin on Russian action in Ukraine: Told you so

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    Mar 02, 2014 3:23 PM GMT


    With Russian forces moving into Ukraine's Crimean peninsula and preparing for a possible deeper incursion into the former Soviet republic, former Gov. Sarah Palin, R-Alaska, took to Facebook Friday to boast that she saw it coming.

    "Yes, I could see this one from Alaska," quipped Palin, who was her party's 2008 vice presidential nominee, in a reference to her assertion then that Alaska's proximity to Russia afforded her unique insight into U.S.-Russian relations.

    In October 2008, after Russia's invasion of neighboring Georgia emerged as a foreign policy flashpoint in the homestretch of a heated campaign, Palin told an audience in Nevada, "After the Russian army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama's reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia's Putin to invade Ukraine next."

    Her prediction was derided by Foreign Policy magazine as "strange" and "extremely far-fetched," but Palin, frequent media antagonist that she is, couldn't resist crowing about how events have played out.

    "I'm usually not one to Told-Ya-So, but I did, despite my accurate prediction being derided as 'an extremely far-fetched scenario' by the 'high-brow' Foreign Policy magazine," Palin wrote Friday.

    "Here's what this 'stupid,' 'insipid woman' predicted in 2008," she added, before rehashing her prediction.

    Conservatives quickly rallied behind Palin, whose treatment at the hands of the national media they've long deemed unfair. Talk radio host Mark Levin tweeted, "Palin not only knows where Russia is, but she knew what Putin would do to Ukraine with Obama as president."
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sarah-palin-on-russian-action-in-ukraine-told-you-so/
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    Mar 02, 2014 3:35 PM GMT
    OK, Draper, what do you think she would have done had she been Prez?

    What does she think Obama should have done?

    What do YOU think Obama should have done?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 02, 2014 3:36 PM GMT
    Anything that brainless bimbo from Alaska says should just be ignored. She doesn't know her ass from a pothole in the street about the situation in Russia. Dingbat is just publicity hungry that's all.
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    Mar 02, 2014 3:48 PM GMT
    Two things:

    If Putin is doing this to Ukraine because of how he views President Obama, then what does it say about your beloved Bush? The Russia-Georgia conflict that she referred to occurred during the Bush administration.

    Secondly, to trace this to President Obama like Sarah Palin and your fellow conservatives are doing, ignoring the history of Crimea, is simply dishonest.
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    Mar 02, 2014 8:08 PM GMT
    creature said
    Secondly, to trace this to President Obama like Sarah Palin and your fellow conservatives are doing, ignoring the history of Crimea, is simply dishonest.


    It's straight up revisionist history. A lot has changed since '08.
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    Mar 02, 2014 8:18 PM GMT
    Putin is attacking Ukraine because his puppet just got ousted by the Ukrainian people as President. Putin coerced the Ukraine President to reject economic alliance with the EU, which cause this crisis, not Obama.

    Those conditions did not exist in 2008. Nor could any US President do anything about it, short of declaring war against Russia. Is THAT what US Conservatives would like? They want us to go to war with everyone else in the world, so I guess Russia is no different, other than having nuclear weapons aimed at us. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 03, 2014 3:19 PM GMT
    Flashback: Obama Mocked Mitt Romney For Warning America About Russian Aggression [Video]

    Was Mitt Romney right about Russia after all?

    In 2012, GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor and businessman, was on the receiving end of Big Media ridicule for deeming Russia the primary geo-political foe for America.

    Barack Obama piled on (in an obviously rehearsed jab) in the October 22, 2012, presidential debate.

    The recent events in Ukraine provide an entirely different context for Romney’s warning about Russia and President Putin, and Twitter has noticed.

    During the debate, President Obama called attention to Romney’s Russia comment in a condescending way:

    “When you were asked what is biggest geo-political threat facing America, you said Russia. Not Al Qaeda. You said Russia. The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because … the cold war’s been over for 20 years…”

    Replied Romney: “Russia, I indicated, is a geopolitical foe… and I said in the same paragraph I said and Iran is the greatest national security threat we face. Russia does continue to battle us in the UN time and time again. I have clear eyes on this. I’m not going to wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Russia or Mr. Putin.”

    Recent Obama opinion polling suggests that if America had a chance at a do-over, Mitt Romney might have been elected president in 2012.

    Mitt Romney was not the only Republican politician that appears to have made an accurate assessment about Russia and then was ridiculed by the Obama-cheerleading media. Former Alaska governor and 2008 GOP presidential candidate Sarah Palin predicted during the campaign that “after the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama’s reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia’s Putin to invade Ukraine next.”

    According to Politico, Obama’s plan to reset US-Russian relations has been an epic fail: “President Barack Obama couldn’t have been clearer when he warned Russia not to send troops into Ukraine. Russian President Vladimir Putin couldn’t have been clearer in his response: Watch me… Obama started his presidency pushing for a ‘reset’ in Russian relations. Instead, Putin has essentially pulled the plug…”

    http://www.inquisitr.com/1155313/flashback-obama-mocked-mitt-romney-for-warning-america-about-russian-aggression-video/
  • Kazachok

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    Mar 03, 2014 3:44 PM GMT
    Oooh Russian agression, so damned scary. This intervention is a garden party compared to what you all did in Serbia in 1999.
    Crimea is Russian, and I want my people to be reunited. If you don't like it, go to hell.
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    Mar 03, 2014 5:14 PM GMT
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    creature saidIf Putin is doing this to Ukraine because of how he views President Obama, then what does it say about your beloved Bush?


    1) I believe you are directing the question to Draper, yes?

    2) I've not seen him post that he was so pro-Bush that he considered him "beloved" but if you have any evidence that he has, I would like to see it. Otherwise, you're just ascribing a false position to Draper in an attempt to bolster your own position, and it's never good to have to rely on a lie in order to bolster one's position.



    1) Yes, the question is directed to Draper.

    2) The remark was said in jest. Based on my familiarity of Draper's posts, such as his attitude towards how he believe Obama was elected and other political issues, I feel my comment is justified.

    Anything else?
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    Mar 03, 2014 5:30 PM GMT
    And speaking of lying, Southbeach1500, do you think now would be a good time to come clean about the numerous sock accounts people have accused you of creating and using to participate in the forum? You know, those accounts created after your Southbeach1500 account was banned for the second or third time (It's so hard to keep track, darling).

    I'm glad that you are allegedly doing a 180 turn, but do you want to admit or deny to those allegations, including one sock account where you supposedly posted a news article that mentioned the real name of a former RJ member and it revealed his HIV status?

    After all, it's never good to rely on a lie to bolster one's position.
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    Mar 03, 2014 8:40 PM GMT
    It becomes clear as the foreign policy of Europe and the US are left in shambles who the dumbasses really are. Putin didn't rise to power overnight nor have his motives changed overnight. This should have been a concern over 4 years ago - and it was for some people. The cold war may be over but it's certainly not in the eyes of a number of Russians who have taken an adversarial approach every step of the way. Sochi and the demonization of gays is only the tip of the iceberg. Why do you suppose they were demonized in the first place?

    It would be funny to watch the flailing of the critics who derided those like Palin and Romney as idiots being shown who the idiots really are, if it weren't for the real problems now.



    The damning observations of a friend:
    "Kerry warns Russians of grave consequences if they invade Ukraine. Russia responds by invading Ukraine..."

    The advice of Syrians:
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mikegiglio/disappointed-syrians-warn-ukrainians-off-seeking-us-help

    Many Syrians were deeply disappointed when Obama failed to enforce his famous “red line” on the Assad regime’s use of chemical weapons with air strikes — opting instead for a Moscow-initiated deal for the regime to give up its stockpile of chemical arms. “Do not develop strategies that are based on any assumption that the U.S. or EU will demonstrate assertive leadership to deter Russian aggression,” said Amr al-Azm, a U.S.-based member of the Syrian opposition and a professor at Shawnee State University.

    (Quipped one post on a Facebook group of Syrians offering advice to Ukrainians, often tinged with black humor: “If Obama has said that Ukraine is a red line, this means that Russia will attack you.”)

    “Putin smelled blood in the water when the airstrikes against the Assad regime were suddenly called off,” Oubai Shahbandar, a senior advisor to the Syrian National Coalition, the U.S.-backed opposition group, said of the Ukraine invasion. “We’ve seen this movie play out before, sadly, as Russian-supplied planes, tanks and even some mercenaries continue to arrive in Syria uninterrupted.”

    “Hope won’t stop Russian aggression,” Shahbandar added.


    Even the fawning WashingtonPost editorial board now says that "the Obama Administration's foreign policy is based on fantasy"!
    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-washington-post-editors-say.html
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    Mar 03, 2014 8:50 PM GMT
    meninlove said OK, Draper, what do you think she would have done had she been Prez?

    What does she think Obama should have done?

    What do YOU think Obama should have done?


    Repeating my questions to Draper.
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    Mar 03, 2014 8:57 PM GMT
    He owns this one as well - so I wonder how history will view him relative to the legacy of say Jimmy Carter who is revered by some liberal extremists but reviled by practically everyone else? My guess is that it'll be worse.

    Climbing Out of the Obama Foreign Policy Hole
    http://thediplomad.blogspot.com/2014/03/climbing-out-of-obama-foreign-policy.html
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    Mar 03, 2014 9:15 PM GMT
    A somewhat western legacy that is actually working - markets:
    "Russian Stocks Crash As Central Bank Scrambles, Hikes Rates Most Since 1998 Default"
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-03/russian-stocks-crash-central-bank-scrambles-hikes-rates-most-1998-default
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    Mar 03, 2014 9:17 PM GMT
    Despite the fact that both Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney got him right, and were mocked endlessly for it -

    "Ex- CIA Chief: Why We Keep Getting Putin Wrong"
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/02/ex-cia-chief-why-we-get-putin-wrong.html
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    Mar 03, 2014 9:27 PM GMT
    riddler78 saidHe owns this one as well - so I wonder how history will view him relative to the legacy of say Jimmy Carter who is revered by some liberal extremists but reviled by practically everyone else? My guess is that it'll be worse.

    Climbing Out of the Obama Foreign Policy Hole
    http://thediplomad.blogspot.com/2014/03/climbing-out-of-obama-foreign-policy.html


    And President Obama owns the response to Hurricane Katrina too, right? Because 29% of Louisiana Republicans think so.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/obama-hurricane-katrina_n_3790612.html

    I knew I would see the responses posted by the usual suspects when news of Putin's aggression broke out. I still didn't get an answer about what happened between Georgia and Russia during the Bush administration. Did Bush own that? I wouldn't say so, but by the logic of you and some other conservatives who have opined on this situation, I guess he does. After all, we do want to be consistent, don't we.

    Fortunately we have some members from the Ukraine who have posted and have a better understanding of what's going on in their backyards than some anonymous online pundits. So far not of them has put the blame on President Obama, but have instead focused on the demographics of Crimea and its history to explain the conflict—nothing to do with an administration of the United States that began in 2009.

    No wonder the "Thanks, Obama" meme is trending and popular. I'm surprised you didn't blame him for the tsunami that hit Japan hard. After all, the evidence is so clear! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    riddler78 saidHe owns this one as well - so I wonder how history will view him relative to the legacy of say Jimmy Carter who is revered by some liberal extremists but reviled by practically everyone else? My guess is that it'll be worse.

    Climbing Out of the Obama Foreign Policy Hole
    http://thediplomad.blogspot.com/2014/03/climbing-out-of-obama-foreign-policy.html


    And President Obama owns the response to Hurricane Katrina too, right? Because 29% of Louisiana Republicans think so.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/obama-hurricane-katrina_n_3790612.html

    I knew I would see the responses posted by the usual suspects when news of Putin's aggression broke out. I still didn't get an answer about what happened between Georgia and Russia during the Bush administration. Did Bush own that? I wouldn't say so, but by the logic of you and some other conservatives who have opined on this situation, I guess he does. After all, we do want to be consistent, don't we.

    Fortunately we have some members from the Ukraine who have posted and have a better understanding of what's going on in their backyards than some anonymous online pundits. So far not of them has put the blame on President Obama, but have instead focused on the demographics of Crimea and its history to explain the conflict—nothing to do with an administration of the United States that began in 2009.

    No wonder the "Thanks, Obama" meme is trending and popular. I'm surprised you didn't blame him for the tsunami that hit Japan hard. After all, the evidence is so clear! icon_rolleyes.gif


    The fact of how weak the Obama Administration is perceived shouldn't be a newsflash to anyone. This is the perfect administration for Russia to strike out under.

    As for what happened under Bush between Russia and Georgia? I'm glad you've pointed out that scenario given that this happened more than 4 years ago when those like Palin and Romney pointed out the threat and were laughed at by fools like yourself.

    There are no good outcomes for Ukraine but this doesn't mean you should have someone like Kerry outline "red line" scenarios to allow others to immediately break. This also isn't the first time - given what happened in Syria.

    Was Russia's response the result of Obama's actions? Not directly - but in the very least partially given that they played out the probabilities knowing that the Obama Administration would do nothing to stop them as they have so repeatedly demonstrated. Further, the response to the incursion has been remarkably inept. It'd be fun to mock your desperate attempts to defend the man if it weren't for the real world consequences that are happening today.
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    Mar 03, 2014 9:53 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    creature said
    riddler78 saidHe owns this one as well - so I wonder how history will view him relative to the legacy of say Jimmy Carter who is revered by some liberal extremists but reviled by practically everyone else? My guess is that it'll be worse.

    Climbing Out of the Obama Foreign Policy Hole
    http://thediplomad.blogspot.com/2014/03/climbing-out-of-obama-foreign-policy.html


    And President Obama owns the response to Hurricane Katrina too, right? Because 29% of Louisiana Republicans think so.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/obama-hurricane-katrina_n_3790612.html

    I knew I would see the responses posted by the usual suspects when news of Putin's aggression broke out. I still didn't get an answer about what happened between Georgia and Russia during the Bush administration. Did Bush own that? I wouldn't say so, but by the logic of you and some other conservatives who have opined on this situation, I guess he does. After all, we do want to be consistent, don't we.

    Fortunately we have some members from the Ukraine who have posted and have a better understanding of what's going on in their backyards than some anonymous online pundits. So far not of them has put the blame on President Obama, but have instead focused on the demographics of Crimea and its history to explain the conflict—nothing to do with an administration of the United States that began in 2009.

    No wonder the "Thanks, Obama" meme is trending and popular. I'm surprised you didn't blame him for the tsunami that hit Japan hard. After all, the evidence is so clear! icon_rolleyes.gif


    The fact of how weak the Obama Administration is perceived shouldn't be a newsflash to anyone. This is the perfect administration for Russia to strike out under.

    As for what happened under Bush between Russia and Georgia? I'm glad you've pointed out that scenario given that this happened more than 4 years ago when those like Palin and Romney pointed out the threat and were laughed at by fools like yourself.

    There are no good outcomes for Ukraine but this doesn't mean you should have someone like Kerry outline "red line" scenarios to allow others to immediately break. This also isn't the first time - given what happened in Syria.

    Was Russia's response the result of Obama's actions? Not directly - but in the very least partially given that they played out the probabilities knowing that the Obama Administration would do nothing to stop them as they have so repeatedly demonstrated. Further, the response to the incursion has been remarkably inept. It'd be fun to mock your desperate attempts to defend the man if it weren't for the real world consequences that are happening today.


    You're glad I pointed out the Russia and Georgia scenario but haven't said anything about what they means regarding the Bush administration. Did Putin play out the probabilities knowing the Bush administration would do nothing to stop them?

    If anything is desperate it is your overreaching conclusions. Again, I will rather pay attention to the Ukrainian members here who have a better understanding of this than you do.
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    creature saidYou're glad I pointed out the Russia and Georgia scenario but haven't said anything about what they means regarding the Bush administration. Did Putin play out the probabilities knowing the Bush administration would do nothing to stop them?

    If anything is desperate it is your overreaching conclusions. Again, I will rather pay attention to the Ukrainian members here who have a better understanding of this than you do.


    Wow I'm shocked - well, not at all actually. You were going to do that anyway given how pathologically unable you are to deal with cognitive dissonance. And yes, I'm glad you pointed out that scenario given how different they are except they universally show how Putin has acted in the past. How desperate you are to cling to some notion that there's reason in the actions of the Obama Administration.

    And you want us to believe this foreign policy disaster is some is outlier but when you actually bother looking at the other "incidents" that have happened, you notice that it's a pattern.

    Oh and just in case you're wondering:
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/klimeade-russia-invading-ukraine-preventable-unlike-2008-invasion-of-georgia/

    On Monday, Fox & Friends host Brian Kilmeade scolded President Barack Obama and his administration for being unable to both forecast and prevent Russia’s invasion of Southern Ukraine. He said that President George W. Bush was largely taken “by surprise” in 2008, when Russia invaded Georgia in order to secure the independence of two Russia-backed breakaway provinces. Kilmeade noted that Obama should have been more prepared to respond to Russia’s incursion into Ukraine.

    Special Report host Bret Baier began by informing the hosts of the tactics the administration is preparing for a diplomatic blitz, including economic sanctions, designed to get Russia to withdraw from Crimea and not escalate the present crisis.

    “The difference between Georgia and here is, I think that the administration was – we were kind of caught by surprise that they went in there, and there was a very vociferous leader,” Kilmeade said. “[Former Georgian President Mikheil] Saakashvili was almost taunting the Russians, and we were seen, like, standing by.”

    “This time, President Obama was on the phone, he made it clear; ‘Don’t go in, don’t go in, don’t go in, and they went in anyway,” Kilmeade continued. “This was forecastable and preventable if they wanted it to be.”


    Oh and then there's this:
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1402/28/ebo.01.html

    And this:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-paul/russia-georgia-war-in-200_b_4891391.html
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    Mar 03, 2014 10:06 PM GMT
    And she "foxholes" on all those prediction she made that didnt work out. Of course, you trumpet your "winnings" and not your losses.
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    NJDewd saidAnd she "foxholes" on all those prediction she made that didnt work out. Of course, you trumpet your "winnings" and not your losses.


    I don't think she was ready but to be fair, I don't think Biden was/is ready either to be President. At the same time - it's a bit rich to watch the sniveling coming out of the left again trying to mock her a second time given how atrociously wrong they were.
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    Mar 03, 2014 10:17 PM GMT
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    creature saidYou're glad I pointed out the Russia and Georgia scenario but haven't said anything about what they means regarding the Bush administration. Did Putin play out the probabilities knowing the Bush administration would do nothing to stop them?

    If anything is desperate it is your overreaching conclusions. Again, I will rather pay attention to the Ukrainian members here who have a better understanding of this than you do.


    Wow I'm shocked - well, not at all actually. You were going to do that anyway given how pathologically unable you are to deal with cognitive dissonance. And yes, I'm glad you pointed out that scenario given how different they are except they universally show how Putin has acted in the past. How desperate you are to cling to some notion that there's reason in the actions of the Obama Administration.

    And you want us to believe this foreign policy disaster is some is outlier but when you actually bother looking at the other "incidents" that have happened, you notice that it's a pattern.

    Oh and just in case you're wondering:
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/klimeade-russia-invading-ukraine-preventable-unlike-2008-invasion-of-georgia/

    On Monday, Fox & Friends host Brian Kilmeade scolded President Barack Obama and his administration for being unable to both forecast and prevent Russia’s invasion of Southern Ukraine. He said that President George W. Bush was largely taken “by surprise” in 2008, when Russia invaded Georgia in order to secure the independence of two Russia-backed breakaway provinces. Kilmeade noted that Obama should have been more prepared to respond to Russia’s incursion into Ukraine.

    Special Report host Bret Baier began by informing the hosts of the tactics the administration is preparing for a diplomatic blitz, including economic sanctions, designed to get Russia to withdraw from Crimea and not escalate the present crisis.

    “The difference between Georgia and here is, I think that the administration was – we were kind of caught by surprise that they went in there, and there was a very vociferous leader,” Kilmeade said. “[Former Georgian President Mikheil] Saakashvili was almost taunting the Russians, and we were seen, like, standing by.”

    “This time, President Obama was on the phone, he made it clear; ‘Don’t go in, don’t go in, don’t go in, and they went in anyway,” Kilmeade continued. “This was forecastable and preventable if they wanted it to be.”


    Oh and then there's this:
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1402/28/ebo.01.html

    And this:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-paul/russia-georgia-war-in-200_b_4891391.html


    Quoting Fox & Friends? Riddler, you're too much.

    As for the remark "The difference between Georgia and here is, I think that the administration was – we were kind of caught by surprise that they went in there" does not excuse how Putin saw Bush, if we are to follow your reason to explain why Putin would go after Crimea during Obama's administration.

    And I found this tidbit in the HuffingtonPost article you posted:

    But Putin's actions in Georgia did go unanswered. Russian intervention in Georgia was quick, decisive and brief -- and he got away with it. For all the bellicose inclinations of the second Bush administration and the Neocon embrace of Georgia President Mikheil Saakashvili, there was no U.S. or European response of any substance. The international community quickly turned its attention to other matters, and Russia continues to occupy Georgian sovereign soil to this day.

    Still overreaching, riddler78. Finding anything and everything to blame on President Obama.

    Like I said, I'll defer to the Ukrainians on this board who have a better understanding of what is going on than armchair pundits like yourself.
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    creature saidYou're glad I pointed out the Russia and Georgia scenario but haven't said anything about what they means regarding the Bush administration. Did Putin play out the probabilities knowing the Bush administration would do nothing to stop them?

    If anything is desperate it is your overreaching conclusions. Again, I will rather pay attention to the Ukrainian members here who have a better understanding of this than you do.


    Wow I'm shocked - well, not at all actually. You were going to do that anyway given how pathologically unable you are to deal with cognitive dissonance. And yes, I'm glad you pointed out that scenario given how different they are except they universally show how Putin has acted in the past. How desperate you are to cling to some notion that there's reason in the actions of the Obama Administration.

    And you want us to believe this foreign policy disaster is some is outlier but when you actually bother looking at the other "incidents" that have happened, you notice that it's a pattern.

    Oh and just in case you're wondering:
    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/klimeade-russia-invading-ukraine-preventable-unlike-2008-invasion-of-georgia/

    On Monday, Fox & Friends host Brian Kilmeade scolded President Barack Obama and his administration for being unable to both forecast and prevent Russia’s invasion of Southern Ukraine. He said that President George W. Bush was largely taken “by surprise” in 2008, when Russia invaded Georgia in order to secure the independence of two Russia-backed breakaway provinces. Kilmeade noted that Obama should have been more prepared to respond to Russia’s incursion into Ukraine.

    Special Report host Bret Baier began by informing the hosts of the tactics the administration is preparing for a diplomatic blitz, including economic sanctions, designed to get Russia to withdraw from Crimea and not escalate the present crisis.

    “The difference between Georgia and here is, I think that the administration was – we were kind of caught by surprise that they went in there, and there was a very vociferous leader,” Kilmeade said. “[Former Georgian President Mikheil] Saakashvili was almost taunting the Russians, and we were seen, like, standing by.”

    “This time, President Obama was on the phone, he made it clear; ‘Don’t go in, don’t go in, don’t go in, and they went in anyway,” Kilmeade continued. “This was forecastable and preventable if they wanted it to be.”


    Oh and then there's this:
    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1402/28/ebo.01.html

    And this:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-paul/russia-georgia-war-in-200_b_4891391.html


    Quoting Fox & Friends? Riddler, you're too much.

    As for the remark "The difference between Georgia and here is, I think that the administration was – we were kind of caught by surprise that they went in there" does not excuse how Putin saw Bush, if we are to follow your reason to explain why Putin would go after Crimea during Obama's administration.

    And I found this tidbit in the HuffingtonPost article you posted:

    But Putin's actions in Georgia did go unanswered. Russian intervention in Georgia was quick, decisive and brief -- and he got away with it. For all the bellicose inclinations of the second Bush administration and the Neocon embrace of Georgia President Mikheil Saakashvili, there was no U.S. or European response of any substance. The international community quickly turned its attention to other matters, and Russia continues to occupy Georgian sovereign soil to this day.

    Still overreaching, riddler78. Finding anything and everything to blame on President Obama.

    Like I said, I'll defer to the Ukrainians on this board who have a better understanding of what is going on than armchair pundits like yourself.


    Overreaching is being surprised when someone like Putin does something again. So thank you for proving my point. You don't need a pundit of any stripe to see that. And yes, FOX as a news source - surprise, they are reporting on analysts who have expertise on Putin. Instead you focus on FOX because you don't agree with some of their views. What was that about shooting the messenger?
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    Mar 04, 2014 1:20 AM GMT
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    meninlove said OK, Draper, what do you think she would have done had she been Prez?

    What does she think Obama should have done?

    What do YOU think Obama should have done?


    Repeating my questions to Draper.


    Obama should:
    1. Fly to Kiev with the other G7 leaders to demonstrate support for Ukraine.

    2. Throw Russia out of the G8 and World Trade Org.

    3. Slap sanctions on Russian Banks and business interests.

    4. Approve the Keystone Pipeline which increases world energy supplies and drives down prices of Russia's energy reserves.

    5. Provide the missile defense shield to Poland.

    6. Conduct military exercises in Poland.

    7. Pressure the NATO allies to admit Ukraine.

    8. Move a fleet and some subs into the Black Sea.

    9. Release oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

    10. Sell a large chunk of the US Gold Reserve to pay our Chinese debt causing the US dollar to strengthen.

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    Mar 04, 2014 1:39 AM GMT
    Kazachok saidOooh Russian agression, so damned scary. This intervention is a garden party compared to what you all did in Serbia in 1999.
    Crimea is Russian, and I want my people to be reunited. If you don't like it, go to hell.


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