I can't think of a better way to reinforce stereotypes - drag show at military base.

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    Mar 03, 2014 11:32 PM GMT
    http://theweek.com/article/index/257285/speedreads-gay-and-lesbian-troops-perform-in-drag-on-american-military-base
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    Mar 03, 2014 11:43 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidI saw this too, but hesitated to post it, as many on here know that I feel drag equates to gay in most of the straight population's mind.


    Sure does.
  • tazzari

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    Mar 03, 2014 11:44 PM GMT
    Somehow, my attitude is "who cares?" Worrying about stereotypes is just selling out to homophobia - and plenty of straights enjoy drag shows.
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    Mar 03, 2014 11:52 PM GMT
    tazzari saidSomehow, my attitude is "who cares?" Worrying about stereotypes is just selling out to homophobia - and plenty of straights enjoy drag shows.


    +1 Much ado about nothing.
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    Mar 04, 2014 2:51 AM GMT
    Reinforce stereotypes.. I don't get it?

    Drag is a huge part of gay culture.. admittedly I don't like where drag has ended up (all about looking fabulous rather than about social/political commentary.. I'm more a fan of the old fashion drag queens myself... notably the likes of David Hoyle) but it's still a part of the gay community - not so much a "stereotype".

    I'm assuming there were gays among the military where this was happening and I'm assuming those same gays are exactly what you would consider "not stereotypical" (what with the military and the willingness to be on the front-lines and all) so I'd imagine a good range of gay culture was present at these shows.

    Right? No?
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    Mar 04, 2014 2:54 AM GMT
    The first guy made a somewhat pretty drag queen!
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    Mar 04, 2014 3:12 AM GMT
    tazzari saidSomehow, my attitude is "who cares?" Worrying about stereotypes is just selling out to homophobia - and plenty of straights enjoy drag shows.


    Pretty much this.
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    Mar 04, 2014 3:17 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Cobalt saidReinforce stereotypes.. I don't get it?

    Drag is a huge part of gay culture..


    Well I think there's a couple things intertwined here. Men who like to dress up in women's clothes for sexual gratification are not gay. Men who dress up in women's clothes to perform are not necessarily gay. However, a common stereotype is that gays are "effeminate" and seeing gay guys dressing up in women's clothes reinforces that stereotype.


    Sure it is and for good reason. How many straight bars have either show tunes or drag show night usually on Sunday night. Its a stereotype for a reason as its generally true.
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    Mar 04, 2014 3:49 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Cobalt saidReinforce stereotypes.. I don't get it?

    Drag is a huge part of gay culture..


    Well I think there's a couple things intertwined here. Men who like to dress up in women's clothes for sexual gratification are not gay. Men who dress up in women's clothes to perform are not necessarily gay. However, a common stereotype is that gays are "effeminate" and seeing gay guys dressing up in women's clothes reinforces that stereotype.


    Well sure, but wouldn't it be a safe bet that there were gays in the military/at that base viewing this that were NOT femmes? Gays that were showing a good range of the various gay archetypes?

    Also, definitely didn't imply anything about being femme/dressing in women's clothes relating to one's sexuality - putting on a dress doesn't make you gay. Being a muscle-man doesn't make you straight. Realjock proves this quite nicely for us, I think.
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    Mar 04, 2014 5:35 AM GMT
    What's the world coming to? Next, drag queens will be performing at classic car shows.
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    Mar 04, 2014 5:39 AM GMT
    Iceblink saidWhat's the world coming to? Next, drag queens will be performing at classic car shows.


    I can assure you ... that won't happen. Given where you live, you know better.

    Edit: one exception .... Great Autos of Yesteryear and Free Wheelers.



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    Mar 04, 2014 5:47 AM GMT
    I was just trying to get a reaction out you FIFicon_wink.gif


    but you do know, Lamba International, the gay classic car club, was an official entrant as of last year in The Woodward Dream Cruise. Be sure to keep an eye out for them this summer.
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    Mar 04, 2014 5:58 AM GMT
    Iceblink saidI was just trying to get a reaction out you FIFicon_wink.gif


    but you do know, Lamba International, the gay classic car club, was an official entrant as of last year in The Woodward Dream Cruise. Be sure to keep an eye out for them this summer.


    Dream Cruise is way too big for them not to be there. I've certainly see individual 'members' there in the past.

    I went to above event 'West Coast Meet' for 13 'straight' years and our LA Drive In night for many years

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    Mar 04, 2014 6:17 AM GMT
    http://lccdetroit.org/events

    Looks like the Detroit chapter is active. Much more than I can say for the one locally.
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    Mar 04, 2014 6:24 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidhttp://lccdetroit.org/events

    Looks like the Detroit chapter is active. Much more than I can say for the one locally.

    That must be a sign you should move to Detroit.
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    Mar 04, 2014 6:36 AM GMT
    Iceblink said
    freedomisntfree saidhttp://lccdetroit.org/events

    Looks like the Detroit chapter is active. Much more than I can say for the one locally.

    That must be a sign you should move to Detroit.


    http://www.lccbuckeye.com/

    You can see the issue here. 2012 are their latest events and of that it's driving in the parade and little more

    I've actually given Detroit some thought, but when I go somewhere, it'll be back out here.

    http://www.greatautos.org/sitev2/index.php

    I've never enjoyed anything gay orientated in my life until this

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    Mar 04, 2014 3:30 PM GMT
    Good for them.
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    Mar 04, 2014 4:02 PM GMT
    charlitos saidGood for them.


    http://ocanadianhistory.blogspot.ca/2012/10/war-is-drag-female-impersonators-in.html

    The only conclusion I can come to Charlitos, is that Canadian culture and mindset must very, very, very different from the US.

    This kind of stuff in CDN military doesn't even make the news up here.

    I'm not a huge fan of drag, but certainly have no qualms about those that like it, or enjoy preforming it. Vive la difference.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 04, 2014 4:21 PM GMT
    Drag queens are a horrible embarrassment to the gay community. It leads to stereotypes that all gay men are effeminate, pansy weaklings who just want to fuck and be fucked. This is the wrong way to portray the gay community especially on a military base. The Armed Forces are still a bastion of staunchly conservative social thinking despite the major gains made by gays during the past few years.
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    Mar 04, 2014 4:37 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidDrag queens are a horrible embarrassment to the gay community. It leads to stereotypes that all gay men are effeminate, pansy weaklings who just want to fuck and be fucked. This is the wrong way to portray the gay community especially on a military base. The Armed Forces are still a bastion of staunchly conservative social thinking despite the major gains made by gays during the past few years.


    Totally agree. Ya, drag queens may be an element of the gay community but I personally find it boring and self-indulgent and worse, imposed on the rest of us. I leave when a drag show stops the dancing and we're expected to watch and throw money. I did love Priscilla, Queen of the Desert.
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    Mar 04, 2014 4:44 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    Iceblink saidI was just trying to get a reaction out you FIFicon_wink.gif


    but you do know, Lamba International, the gay classic car club, was an official entrant as of last year in The Woodward Dream Cruise. Be sure to keep an eye out for them this summer.


    Dream Cruise is way too big for them not to be there. I've certainly see individual 'members' there in the past.

    I went to above event 'West Coast Meet' for 13 'straight' years and our LA Drive In night for many years

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    LOVE THAT ('66?) GP! Beautiful car!
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    Mar 04, 2014 4:54 PM GMT
    Correct ^^^^ 66
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    Mar 04, 2014 9:17 PM GMT
    tazzari saidSomehow, my attitude is "who cares?" Worrying about stereotypes is just selling out to homophobia - and plenty of straights enjoy drag shows.


    My thoughts exactly.

    Incidentally, dressing up in drag has been part of the British Royal Marines culture for as long as anyone can remember.

  • rdberg1957

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    Mar 04, 2014 11:51 PM GMT
    Drag has a long history in the military. USO shows used to feature drag in World War II. I'm not a fan of lip synching so I don't enjoy drag much, but I have respect because some of the first gay men to fight back at the Stonewall Inn were drag queens.